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Old April 3rd, 2015 #1
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Default Golders Green 'Oppose the Shomrim' demo

 
Old April 3rd, 2015 #2
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It is important to note that while the NE London (Hackney) Shomrim currently use unmarked private vehicles, over in NW London the Barnet based Shomrim have begun to use those liveried cars shown in the static pic - that photo appears to have been taken on the junction of Golders Green Road and Hoop Lane in NW11.

The first liveried BMW car was unveiled at a ceremony in the Od Yosef Chai meeting hall in Hendon NW4 last December - according to the Yeshiva World News website.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/...nw-london.html

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Old April 3rd, 2015 #3
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It is important to note that while the NE London (Hackney) Shomrim currently use unmarked private vehicles, over in NW London the Barnet based Shomrim have begun to use those liveried cars shown in the static pic - that photo appears to have been taken on the junction of Golders Green Road and Hoop Lane in NW11.

The first liveried BMW car was unveiled at a ceremony in the Od Yosef Chai meeting hall in Hendon NW4 last December - according to the Yeshiva World News website.
It's not the cars we are protesting about, but the whole concept of allowing so called "ethnic minorities" to have their own Police forces, enforcing their own laws and customs and in this case, there is a clear conflict of interests when one reads certain passages of the Talmud, which these Orthodox Jews obviously observe and adhere to. They do not have the cars in Hackney YET. "Yet" being the operative word here, but they have them in other London boroughs in North West London where they operate too.
 
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The Shomrim even get training and equipment from the Metropolitan Police and Counter-terrorist command.
 
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Just to clarify, this demo is absolutely nothing to do with Joshua Bonehill and his National liberation organisation, though we wish him luck in his efforts.
 
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Another thing which proves the Shomrim are considered as fellow Police officers by the Metropolitan police, is the fact that anyone employed in the security industry in this country are required to be registered with a national regulatory body - the SIA (Security industry authority). As such they are required to wear their numbered photo ID cards in a prominent place, usually on the left upper arm. The Shomrim do not, so they are not even a legal security group. What the hell is going on at Scotland Yard??
 
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Worth a written enquiry to Scotland Yard asking if Sormrim patrol members are subject to criminal record and sex offender checks.

....My bet is they are not.


Additionally, Brooklyn Shomrim organizers have been accused of withholding information on suspected child molesters and other Jewish criminals, in keeping with an interpretation of the Torah prohibition against mesirah (informing on a fellow Jew to the non-Jewish authorities).[12][13][14]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim...watch_group%29
 
Old April 3rd, 2015 #8
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It's not the cars we are protesting about, but the whole concept of allowing so called "ethnic minorities" to have their own Police forces, enforcing their own laws and customs and in this case, there is a clear conflict of interests when one reads certain passages of the Talmud, which these Orthodox Jews obviously observe and adhere to. They do not have the cars in Hackney YET. "Yet" being the operative word here, but they have them in other London boroughs in North West London where they operate too.
You're right about a potential conflict of interest. This is likely to arise in relation to the Talmudic prohibition against Mesirah - the act of a Jew informing on another Jew to the secular authorities. One of the foremost Rishonim of the Middle Ages, Asher bin Yehiel (whose teaching is still highly regarded in orthodox Judaism) went so far as to say that Mesirah was the worst offence a Jew could commit.

Shomrim volunteers are taken from a community which holds this belief. So, while they may be content to hand over a Gentile suspect to the regular Police, they may feel a temptation to hold back when it comes to reporting crimes committed by members of their own community.
 
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Worth a written enquiry to Scotland Yard asking if Sormrim patrol members are subject to criminal record and sex offender checks.

....My bet is they are not.


Additionally, Brooklyn Shomrim organizers have been accused of withholding information on suspected child molesters and other Jewish criminals, in keeping with an interpretation of the Torah prohibition against mesirah (informing on a fellow Jew to the non-Jewish authorities).[12][13][14]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim...watch_group%29
Yes, a number of FOI requests are going to be made soon and the next Shomrim demo in the pipeline will be at Scotland Yard.
 
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You're right about a potential conflict of interest. This is likely to arise in relation to the Talmudic prohibition against Mesirah - the act of a Jew informing on another Jew to the secular authorities. One of the foremost Rishonim of the Middle Ages, Asher bin Yehiel (whose teaching is still highly regarded in orthodox Judaism) went so far as to say that Mesirah was the worst offence a Jew could commit.

Shomrim volunteers are taken from a community which holds this belief. So, while they may be content to hand over a Gentile suspect to the regular Police, they may feel a temptation to hold back when it comes to reporting crimes committed by members of their own community.
I vaguely recall a case a few years ago when an Orthodox family reported a nonce Rabbi to Gentile Police and were actually driven out of the area, violently by other Orthodox Jews. Not nice people these Hassids.
 
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I vaguely recall a case a few years ago when an Orthodox family reported a nonce Rabbi to Gentile Police and were actually driven out of the area, violently by other Orthodox Jews. Not nice people these Hassids.
You refer to the Eli Cohen case in 1997. The parents of Cohen's five year old victim, together with their family doctor, had approached the Police and other proper authorities concerning the abuse their child had suffered. After Cohen's conviction, the local Stamford Hill Haredi community turned violently on the victim's family and harassed them out of their home.

The parents had done the right thing as parents, but were considered to have done the wrong thing as Jews.

Although widely reported at the time, it is now very difficult to find anything but the most superficial references to the Eli Cohen case. However, I have found this link on the net - it is the second of the stories featured.

http://traitor666.blogspot.co.uk/200...h-11a-11b.html

Incidentally, depending on his interpretation of two problematic passages in the Tractate Kethuboth, trainee rabbi Cohen probably thought he was doing nothing wrong.

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You refer to the Eli Cohen case in 1997. The parents of Cohen's five year old victim, together with their family doctor, had approached the Police and other proper authorities concerning the abuse their child had suffered. After Cohen's conviction, the local Stamford Hill Haredi community turned violently on the victim's family and harassed them out of their home. The case was very widely reported in its day.

The parents had done the right thing as parents, but were considered to have done the wrong thing as Jews.
Just wondering if the child also contracted herpes?
 
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Coming to a British city soon:

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news...im-attack-case
 
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Bearing in mind Orthodox Jews are prohibited from "grassing" other Jews to Gentile authorities and Police under Mesirah, I wonder how many of these crimes they helped solve/prevent were carried out by Jews? I'd wager not a single one.

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Had a couple of press enquiries to the demo email address:

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Not that they will be receiving any replies.
 
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8ft long banners arrived yesterday.

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Russia today coming along ?
 
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Russia today coming along ?
No journalists will be invited to attend. However, I'm sure the event will be covered by the media.
 
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