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Old September 29th, 2014 #1
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This is an interesting piece of twisty rhetoric that I've seen BUGSters and a few others use.

The expression, "They hate Jews more than they love ..." can be found in Zionist-Jew propaganda going back many years. It's adapted from, "They hate Jews more than they love their children," which is attributed to Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir (1973). It's a way of saying that people who have a conflict with Jews are self-destructive and therefore crazy. It also amounts to saying, "You just say that because you hate Jews," and serves to divert attention from whether the statements made are true or whether the argument put forth has any validity.

Recently this rhetoric has cropped up in what is supposed to be White Nationalist media. This is an attempt to trace that development and to show who introduced this form of ad hominem argument into the WN milieu and who has taken it up.

This argument has been used mainly as Golda Meir used it, to badmouth regional enemies of the State of Israel. Jack Wheeler, an aide to President George W. Bush, may have been the first to adapt it for use against political dissenters within the United States, specifically against conservative Republicans who disagreed with fighting foreign wars for the Jewish State.

"What would drive conservatives to such craziness? Let’s not pussy-foot around and face the core ugliness squarely. The cause is anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism trumps patriotism to America. Hatred of Israel causes a desire for America’s defeat. Blame-America-First Conservatives hate Israel more than they love America, they hate Jews more than they love their country." -- Jack Wheeler (attacking Pat Buchanan and Robert Pape), 12 July 2005. http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/1598/126/

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"Hitler’s two biggest complaints were as follows IMO:
1) There are not enough Muslims. These Muslims hate the Jews really well.
2) Whites are not ethnocentric enough.
"These New Age fools answered his prayers. We now have a common sense of oppression among Whites which is unprecedented. Of course, they hate jews more than they love us……" -- BUGSter Tim, 15 January 2008. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-41506

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"Recently I got involved in an argument in the comments to the Brussels Journal blog. One of the commenters insisted that Jews have too much power in his country, that they support immigration, and therefore they are the main reason for Islamization.

"I answered that it is also possible to explain why anti-Semites cause Islamization. Namely, they hate Jews more than they love Europe; so they invite Muslims in to do away with their Jews. He was insulted and answered that he personally did not invite anybody." -- Dimitri K., "Gates of Vienna" 14 April 2008. http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...amization.html

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"Correct. And why is this so? Because, as I’ve said so many times, the anti-Semites hate the Jews more than they love the things that they profess to love.

"It’s analogous to Arafat and the “peace” process. In 2000 he turned down the offer from Ehud Barak to establish a Palestinian state on 97 percent of the West Bank, by far the best deal the Palestinians could ever hope to get from Israel. Why? Because Arafat didn’t want a Palestinian state and peace with Israel. He wanted to continue to wage a war of annihilation against Israel. That’s what he lived for. Had he accepted peace with Israel, his life would have become meaningless to him.

"Similarly, the anti-Semites really have no positive beliefs, they have no vision of a good society they want to achieve. The things they profess to believe in, such as white preservation and stopping nonwhite immigration, are in reality merely fronts to justify their anti-Semitism. It is their opposition to the Jews that is the organizing idea of their lives, and without it their lives would become meaningless to them. -- Lawrence Auster. 16 July 2010. http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016984.html

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"aren't you swell...willing to join with avowed enemies of the west because they hate jews(as a jew myself i want to preserve the west and european culture) as much as you do. and that is why you will forever be marginalized and ridiculed. you hate jews more than you love yourself!" -- self-proclaimed Jew posting on Stormfront, 14 March 2011. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t32...76#post9040068

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"But some people hate Jews more than they love their own people. They hate Jews so much that they want them to be harmed, even if it harms us too—even if it harms us more." -- Greggy Johnson, 5 August 2011. http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/

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"I hope this convinces those (few of) you on the racial right that started out having at least a little bit of sympathy for the Occutards that they’re hopeless. Otherwise, I’ll have to conclude what I have always thought about some of you, that you reallly hate Jews more than you love Whites." -- anonymous conservative blogger on a former C of CC url, 21 February 2012 https://countenance.wordpress.com/20...tient-prisons/

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"The other problem is that some people who talk about Israel endlessly don’t really care about Whites at all, they just hate Jews. From my limited experience, they do more harm than good. They will step all over good pro-White points in order to get the thrill of verbally insulting Jews." -- BUGSter Jason, 7 May 2012. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-56254

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"Unfortunately, many so-called “white nationalists” hate the Jews more than they love their people. I don’t need to point out how psychologically sick that is." -- Greg P (frequent commenter on Greggy's blog), 23 July 2012. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-82534

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"In other words, don’t fall for people who hate Jews more than they love Whites." -- BUGSter Jason, 31 August 2012. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...#comment-87624

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"The Jew-centrics are basically only anti-Jewish, not pro-White, in my experience. They hate Jews more than they love Whites (if they like Whites at all)." -- BUGSter Jason, 21 September 2012. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-58196

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"That is doubly ironic, since you appear to be one of those people who hates Jews more than he loves whites." -- Greggy Johnson, 4 March 2014. http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-45665

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"But some people hate Jews more than they love their own people. They hate Jews so much that they want them to be harmed, even if it harms us too—even if it harms us more." -- Greg Johnson, 23 July 2014 http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...-palestinians/

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So, this twisted form of rhetoric, which comes from Zionism and is especially used by Zionists -- usually with Palestinians or Arabs more generally as the ones who hate Jews more than they love "their own children," "their own lives," etc. -- seems to have been first used in the WN milieu by BUGSter "Tim" in 2008; then Lawrence Auster, a Jew on the fringe of WN says that he has said it "many times"; then it was used by an anonymous Jew posting on Stormfront in 2011. Of those three early users of this form of rhetoric on the racial right, we have information that two, Auster and the Stormfront poster, were Jews, while BUGSter "Tim" is unknown. Since then it has been used three times each (that I could find) by BUGSter "Jason" and by Greggy Johnson (the last time recycling an essay from 2011 by giving it a new title).

What kind of White Nationalist tries to make his fellow White Nationalist interlocutor shut up by calling him, in effect, a crazy Jew-hater -- while paraphrasing Golda Meir?

There's something wrong with these people.
Gold medal post.

See Brownthroat Johnson (aka Polished Turdeater) in full Jared Taylor (aka Polished Turd) mode. Pathetic. To think he had an association with VNN once. He was always queer. But now he's a turned out punk.

RESPONSE: You fear jews more than you love your own people. (follow up supporting subsidiary corollary point: So much you're willing to tell lies to obscure the jewish cause of white woes.]

For that is the other shoe: Polished Turd and his shitty ilk always encourage whites to blame their own ancestors rather than jews. My ancestors were farming in back county Adair Missouri. There's no family tell of them voting for any of this. I'm guessing all of you are the same. I'm going to blame the people responsible: the organized jews and the whiteskin traitors who sold out to them to further their careers.

Either you're pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us. That's been my litmus test from day one.

BUGS can kiss VNN's white windshield.

Profiteers, schoolmarms, simps and dupes want to believe we're in a game, and we just have to play it the right way to win. Mis-fuhrer Whitaker more or less states this directly. It is wrong. We are in a no-holds-barred war with an enemy, and enemy actions are the reason our side is where it is today. Pretending this is not so is not a solution, it is a large part of the problem.
 
Old September 29th, 2014 #2
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Another really repulsive trend I've noticed is "white nationalists" in what I've dubbed: Jew-face. Just like a white man in black face will not be able to apply for Affirmative Action or get Eric Holder to investigate his death at the hands of niggers as a hate crime, an Aryan using disgusting phrases like "white Zionism" will still never be allowed into mainstream discourse. But don't tell pretentious bourgeois faggots like Robert Spencer, RamzPaul or the cast and crew of American Renaissance.

Calling yourself a white Zionist, pretending Muslims are the #1 enemy of real Western civilization, endorsing Israel, and banning David Duke from your speaking engagements will get you slightly more breathing room, but only because your cause is now completely futile. You won't be targeted for murder, fired from your job, have your speaking engagements sabotaged, or exposed to violence because the Jew will focus these resources where it matters.

You can't be a white Zionist because Zionism believes that you need to be destroyed while Jews have a bastardized, brutal and Talmudic version of Nazism, or rather, the Nazism they project onto their Hollywood movies. The real Zionists pay their immigrant Eritrean population to move to Sweden. They won't ever sit at a table with a "white Zionist" who doesn't surrender the keys to his nation first.

But the baffling strategy of Jew-face will continue to take off wherever the unrepentant bourgeoisie wants to fulfill its charity requirement. Every manifestation of Judaism, whether it is Zionism or cultural Marxism, must be unequivocally opposed at every angle, even if it means allying with reasonable non-whites who share this perspective. With the rich and unprecedented miracle that is European civilization, borrowing instead of expunging not-for-export Jewish racial concepts is a disgrace to our ancestors. It's self-depreciation that perches Alan Dershowitz above all the Caesars, Brahmins, and Kaisers, including Hitler.

The era of conservative black-face, like complaining about "reverse racism" and "Why can't white people have pride", is over, thanks to its failure to do anything except give whites a way to let off steam within Jewish PC boundaries. Today is the epoch of Jew-face, but this time around the Jews allow Geert Wilders and Le Pen to have their 15 minutes because the Muslims they imported into Europe aren't mixing into the rainbow rootless goo as fast as they thought they would. Once they take their burqas away and force them to intermarry with white people, the Kosher nationalists will peel off the Jew-face and ...then what? Yellow-face?
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Old September 30th, 2014 #3
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Some evidence that the BUGSter "Tim" may have been influenced by Lawrence Auster in his comment of 15 January 2008. He praised Auster on Whitaker Online a few months later:
Lawrence Auster just popped Pat Buchanan on his blog. But it is pretty good. LA is Jewish but he is for our side as much as a Jew can be for our side. [BUGSter Tim, 24 August 2006]
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2...#comment-17711
Since it is likely that this BUGSter was aware of Auster long before he decided to commend him to the other BUGSters, it seems likely that he picked up the Zionist propaganda-slogan from Auster also.

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Old September 30th, 2014 #4
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Not every case of JD* is caused by foolishness or cowardice.

I would suggest that some cases are caused by the "victim"'s being a jew.

We have all heard of hasbara, right? It's just possible that hasbarats are targeting White Nationalists who name the enemy.

"I love my race but, by golly, I won't condone the antisemitism I see here. Antisemitism is for fools, losers, crazies, low-IQ ugly people, the morally diseased, Rejectors of the Logos, witches, and very, very bad men. We must never insult the fine, upstanding Jewish people. It is totally counterproductive, ridiculous, and impractical. We must befriend Jews, we must welcome them into our fold and even follow them as leaders, because of their superior intelligence and loftier moral character. Say nothing bad about them, for doing so is the worst evil in the world." <------ How many times have you read something like this, written by people calling themselves pro-White on the internet? How is it any different from what a hasbarat would write?

Being a little more suspicious in these matters wouldn't hurt our people. Don't take things at face value. On the internet no one knows you're a jew. Especially if your user name is 1488 CONFEDERATE or something similar.


*http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=206418
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Not every case of JD* is caused by foolishness or cowardice.

I would suggest that some cases are caused by the "victim"'s being a jew.

We have all heard of hasbara, right? It's just possible that hasbarats are targeting White Nationalists who name the enemy.

"I love my race but, by golly, I won't condone the antisemitism I see here. Antisemitism is for fools, losers, crazies, low-IQ ugly people, the morally diseased, Rejectors of the Logos, witches, and very, very bad men. We must never insult the fine, upstanding Jewish people. It is totally counterproductive, ridiculous, and impractical. We must befriend Jews, we must welcome them into our fold and even follow them as leaders, because of their superior intelligence and loftier moral character. Say nothing bad about them, for doing so is the worst evil in the world." <------ How many times have you read something like this, written by people calling themselves pro-White on the internet? How is it any different from what a hasbarat would write?

Being a little more suspicious in these matters wouldn't hurt our people. Don't take things at face value. On the internet no one knows you're a jew. Especially if your user name is 1488 CONFEDERATE or something similar.


*http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=206418

I agree completely, some of it is painfully obvious too. Some of it is genuine conservative idiocy, but other times its interests in the shadows trying to confuse people or building up strawmen.

The worst ones are the people on stormfront with double digit posts posting a picture of Bar Rafaeli and confusing simpletons with the question "HOW CAN SHE NOT BE WHITE SHES NORDIC LOOK". There are Muslims in the Balkans who look consistently more similar to Europeans (because genetically, they are) far more than Jews do, yet nobody tries that confusing tactic to suggest Albanians are fully part of the general European/Occidental experience (except maybe the occasional Albanian himself).
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Not every case of JD* is caused by foolishness or cowardice.
*http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=206418
For those following along at home, JD=Jew Denial. Don't make people open a link to define a two word term. Put in the herculean effort of typing those seven extra characters. Do it for the children.
 
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In addition to paraphrasing Golda Meir, Greg Johnson also happens to take the eccentric position that White Nationalists "have an interest in the continued existence of the State of Israel" (Greg Johnson, "White Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism," Counter-Currents, 5 August 2011). http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/

And there's that essay of his, "Dealing with the Holocaust," where he takes the very eccentric position, for a White Nationalist, that one must not question the Jewish Holocaust myth that is widely understood to be the foundation of the State of Israel.

This is a clear pattern.

There is something seriously wrong with Greg Johnson. If Tel Aviv isn't paying him they should.
 
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We know that Zionists do try to buy off racial organizations, because Nick Griffin revealed that there had been an attempt to buy off the BNP.

This party, we were approached, I was approached, we were offered money from the United States, and all they wanted was two things.

They only wanted us to concentrate on Islam -- and I yield to no one in my criticism of Islam, and grooming; I put my neck on the line; many of you have put your neck on the line as well -- but, it's not the only problem. And they wanted us only to focus on that.

And it only came with one other thing: they wanted us to drop our criticism of the banking system. Those were the only two things: we had to concentrate on talking about Muslims, and we had to drop our criticism of the international banking system.

And I refused. And we refused. That was in about 2007. And all hell broke loose really from that time, when systematically they tried to take this party apart [by setting up well funded competing organizations].


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In addition to paraphrasing Golda Meir, Greg Johnson also happens to take the eccentric position that White Nationalists "have an interest in the continued existence of the State of Israel" (Greg Johnson, "White Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism," Counter-Currents, 5 August 2011). http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/

And there's that essay of his, "Dealing with the Holocaust," where he takes the very eccentric position, for a White Nationalist, that one must not question the Jewish Holocaust myth that is widely understood to be the foundation of the State of Israel.

This is a clear pattern.

There is something seriously wrong with Greg Johnson. If Tel Aviv isn't paying him they should.

The Israel EU supporter faggot Johnson is an enemy of WN and as such should be exposed and attacked at every opportunity.
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Carolyn Yeager will be talking about this tomorrow afternoon. http://carolynyeager.net/
 
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In addition to paraphrasing Golda Meir, Greg Johnson also happens to take the eccentric position that White Nationalists "have an interest in the continued existence of the State of Israel" (Greg Johnson, "White Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism," Counter-Currents, 5 August 2011). http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/

And there's that essay of his, "Dealing with the Holocaust," where he takes the very eccentric position, for a White Nationalist, that one must not question the Jewish Holocaust myth that is widely understood to be the foundation of the State of Israel.

This is a clear pattern.

There is something seriously wrong with Greg Johnson. If Tel Aviv isn't paying him they should.
He's sucking up to his buddy Jared Taylor and the ones at Vdare. Safe, profitable conservatism. He's a businessman now.
 
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He's sucking up to his buddy Jared Taylor and the ones at Vdare. Safe, profitable conservatism. He's a businessman now.
I am not sure why you want to make Jared Taylor the focus of evil here. I've never seen in Jared Taylor the kind of attitude that I see in Greggy. I've never seen an essay from Taylor about how one must never question the Holohoax.

Taylor's position is that he'd rather not discuss Jews. He wants to limit his focus to Black and Brown, and if you try to compel him to talk about Jews he will say whatever he thinks will minimize trouble for himself. The best thing, I think, is not to compel him to do that. The Black and Brown issue is inherently an embarrassment for Jews because of the obvious role of Jews in promoting those problems, regardless of how many Jews may batten on AmRen, and I think it's best to allow Taylor to have his focus.
 
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In addition to paraphrasing Golda Meir, Greg Johnson also happens to take the eccentric position that White Nationalists "have an interest in the continued existence of the State of Israel" (Greg Johnson, "White Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism," Counter-Currents, 5 August 2011). http://www.counter-currents.com/2011...h-nationalism/

And there's that essay of his, "Dealing with the Holocaust," where he takes the very eccentric position, for a White Nationalist, that one must not question the Jewish Holocaust myth that is widely understood to be the foundation of the State of Israel.

This is a clear pattern.

There is something seriously wrong with Greg Johnson. If Tel Aviv isn't paying him they should.
Yep. Same mindset loves to attack WN for being hypocrites on Israel but will never acknowledge that the racial protection jews advocate for and practice in Israel is exactly what they deny and denounce in white goy countries. Key here is the interest of these philosemitic WINOs is always to protect and defend the jew. Same as with any conservatives. Jewish interests come first..and white interests...what are those? that sounds racist? we're all good individualist conservatives here...
 
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I am not sure why you want to make Jared Taylor the focus of evil here. I've never seen in Jared Taylor the kind of attitude that I see in Greggy. I've never seen an essay from Taylor about how one must never question the Holohoax.
Are you kidding me? This stuff comes directly from Taylor. Johnson is sucking up to that whole class, that's why he takes this political line he knows to be wrong. He wants to be in with AmRen and Vdare and NPI and the rest of that ilk.

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Taylor's position is that he'd rather not discuss Jews. He wants to limit his focus to Black and Brown,
Which you of all people should realize is not intellectually tenable.

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and if you try to compel him to talk about Jews he will say whatever he thinks will minimize trouble for himself. The best thing, I think, is not to compel him to do that. The Black and Brown issue is inherently an embarrassment for Jews because of the obvious role of Jews in promoting those problems, regardless of how many Jews may batten on AmRen, and I think it's best to allow Taylor to have his focus.
No, it's best to attack Taylor for the monstrous and anti-white ludicrousness of his position-that-aint-a-position. He doesn't take a position on jews - except to advocate them and defend them and protect them and criticize their critics. He is an out-and-out fraud.
 
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Are you kidding me? This stuff comes directly from Taylor.
Evidence?
 
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The worst thing I've read about this topic is from the Jew backers and financiers of the NPI and American Renaissance crowd. One of them actually stated that the reason Jews launched a revolution against Western civilization in the 1960's...is because White Nationalists don't let Jews in. That's right. Even when Jews destroy the white race, David Duke is to blame.

The best part: the Southern Poverty Law Center even is baffled by Taylor's position. They agree that something like 75% of Taylor's AmRen audience is critical of Jews, and that the ones who aren't are bloated, lethargic, status-obsessed college professors. Big Heidi also observed that the most energetic people that work with AmRen and keep that train choo-chooing are all anti-semites.

So yes, attack Taylor and present a replacement. Let him surround himself with impotents. Best of all, stop making conservativism profitable. A lot of WN in America buy Buchanan and Sam Francis books...why? A lot of "anti-semites" I know pay big money to go to AmRen and NPI conferences...why? They don't like you. Throwing money at Paleo-Cons who pretend to advocate for whites is as pathetic as a guy who brings flowers and jewelry to a Stripper.

Treat Taylor with the same disdain he would treat you , Hadding. Just wait til Jared hears what you have to say about those intelligent, compassionate, American-as-apple-pie "European" Jews. Taylor accepts homosexuals in his group, which may be another reason why Greg Johnson wants in.
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BUGSter, AmRen, VDare, etc are gangrenous appendages/tissue on the body WNism and needs debridement from the body WN for the short survival and long term successful, if noninvasive treatment, the truth, fails.


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Want to see the Left-wing equivalent of a WINO?

One Primate's Project leader Daryle Lamont Jenkins is looking for Jewish backing due to financial and legal issues. The only time he criticizes or targets any black person on his website is when they are "anti-semites" like Cynthia McKinney. Now he's got a really infantile permanent entry on his website about Jim Traficant. One Primate tastelessly celebrates this man's death because he was an "anti-semite" and protected an American citizen that was found to be innocent of crimes Jews accused him of . http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/

Lamont Jenkins also avoids writing anything about Israel's racial state and its senseless wars of ethnic extermination, the only comments he makes in regards to this is when Muslims commit 'hate crimes' against Jews in Europe.

The angle he's taking, I have a feeling, alienates many non-white Leftists and even Muslims that have been pushed into the anti-white bloc by Jews in America. DLJ knows the real money is in being an extension of the SPLC and Anti-Defamation league, and so he has reformed accordingly.

For all his hatred of Jared Taylor, they are both equally unprincipled turds and opportunists.
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