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Old October 28th, 2019 #21
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@ steven clark . .

I think one of the reasons the Musketeer-story is so popular is because it truly presents the 17th century in quite an idyllic way . .

. . when in reality it was the time of inner-European religious quarrels.

. . the story paints musketeers as heroes into fencing when in reality musketeers were often cruel mercenaries.

And . . I have read 'Simplicissimus' by Grimmelshausen.

An interesting piece of experience.

The story of the Thirty Years' War summed up . .

The Habsburg rulers of Germany had always been strict catholics . .

But a lot of territorial sovereigns had converted to Protestantism in federal Germany ( or 'The Holy Roman Empire' as it was called back then ) . .

So the Habsburg question more or less caused the war . .

The Habsburg dynasty had power in all of Europe , not just Germany. In fact they were one of the most powerful royal houses in all of Europe.

Both sides , Catholic and Protestant , armed each other.

All sides within Germany were in a way supported from abroad.

That's why it became a great European war.



 
Old October 28th, 2019 #22
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Gotta say, the worst kinds of deeds took place during the Thirty Years' War.

It was a time of immense cruelty of merecenaries.

. . the methods of murder during the Thirty Years' War were cruel.

. . the mercenaries had quickly lost morals ,probably one of the consequences of their frustration because of the lenght of the war . .

. . they constantly came up with new depraved kinds of murder /torture.


Especially females had to suffer immensely during the war . .

The mercenaries were often so lonely and lusty for flesh that they raped every female they got their hands on , wifes , sisters etc . .

The biggest mass-rape during war-time took place after the siege of Magdeburg.

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Also , during war-time farms were looted , all because of supplies . .

. . Europe truly sank into chaos.
 
Old October 28th, 2019 #23
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Dumas wrote much about France's past . . .

It was in a way a getting even with French history.

'The Man In The Iron Mask' is famous too . .

Also the work about 'the St. Bartholomew massacre' . . .
 
Old October 28th, 2019 #24
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Gotta say, the worst kinds of deeds took place during the Thirty Years' War.

It was a time of immense cruelty of merecenaries.

. . the methods of murder during the Thirty Years' War were cruel.

. . the mercenaries had quickly lost morals ,probably one of the consequences of their frustration because of the lenght of the war . .

. . they constantly came up with new depraved kinds of murder /torture.


Especially females had to suffer immensely during the war . .

The mercenaries were often so lonely and lusty for flesh that they raped every female they got their hands on , wifes , sisters etc . .

The biggest mass-rape during war-time took place after the siege of Magdeburg.

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Also , during war-time farms were looted , all because of supplies . .

. . Europe truly sank into chaos.
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Old October 29th, 2019 #25
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There were actually two authors, one of them White, but only Dumas' was credited as being the author. The better parts of the novel, such as the camaraderie and loyalty, were written by the ghost author, while the scandalous and adulterous parts were written by Dumas.
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Gotta say, the worst kinds of deeds took place during the Thirty Years' War.

It was a time of immense cruelty of merecenaries.

. . the methods of murder during the Thirty Years' War were cruel.

. . the mercenaries had quickly lost morals ,probably one of the consequences of their frustration because of the lenght of the war . .

. . they constantly came up with new depraved kinds of murder /torture.


Especially females had to suffer immensely during the war . .

The mercenaries were often so lonely and lusty for flesh that they raped every female they got their hands on , wifes , sisters etc . .

The biggest mass-rape during war-time took place after the siege of Magdeburg.

- - -

Also , during war-time farms were looted , all because of supplies . .

. . Europe truly sank into chaos.
So.. the Spanish Inquisition. the Forced Christianization of Europe....
 
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So.. the Spanish Inquisition. the Forced Christianization of Europe....
. . the Spanish Inquisition surely was cruel . .

. . . they had the most cruel methods . "Spanish boots" , torture et al . .

. . but one has to consider the circumstances back then from the then-leadership's point of view . . The Iberian Peninsula was recently re-conquered from the Moors , Protestantism recently had begun to flourish , etc . .

. . there were also jews in Spain . .


The Moors were viewed as enemy , the jews were an alien subject and the then-officials wanted to remain loyal to the pope.
. . that's probably why the then-officials were especially strict in their implementation of the Inquisition .
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The 'forced christianisation of Europe'.

Europe surely was christianised "by steel"

. . but you cannot make people give up their pagan gods in a soft way . . . .

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Old October 29th, 2019 #28
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The armies became worlds unto themselves, and kings almost lost control of them, and to pay for the armies and feed them, the generals simply plundered whoever they could, and when a city surrendered, it was agreed there was a day of plunder.

As Wallenstein said, "Lass krieg am krieg fressen.' ('let war feed upon war...also fressen is unlike essen...more grubbing then dining. As they say in Germany, 'menschen essen, tieren fressen.'

There was also a movie in France in 1938, The Kermesse, or something like that, where a Flemish city is threatened with a Spanish army, and the women take over, go out and seduce the Spanish, and everyone is happy and the Spanish march off. Someone said it was the strongest film ever made on appeasement.

After the 30 year's war, some kind of rules of warfare emerged, and in the 18th century, civilians were generally left alone and armies concentrated more on maneuver and siege then real gut-busting attacks. Even weapons were restricted...the flintlock wasn't improved upon, and the linear, 18th century tactics stayed in place for a long time.
 
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As Wallenstein said, "Lass krieg am krieg fressen.' ('let war feed upon war...also fressen is unlike essen...more grubbing then dining. As they say in Germany, 'menschen essen, tieren fressen.'
Do they say "Das Tier ist, was es frisst"?
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Old October 29th, 2019 #30
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As Wallenstein said, "Lass krieg am krieg fressen.' ('let war feed upon war...also fressen is unlike essen...more grubbing then dining. As they say in Germany, 'menschen essen, tieren fressen.'
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Do they say "Das Tier ist, was es frisst"?
I've heard all those phrases which were said . .

. . sometimes people also say "Sag mir was du isst und ich sag dir was du bist" , meaning "Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are" , which implies that the taste of a human can imply his character . .

. . hmmmm . . once again, this thread makes me hungry after Hugh Akston already mentioned that candy-bar back in post 6 . .


 
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When it comes to the Three musketeers I prefer reading the book. The movies didn't come close I think personally.
 
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