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Old September 28th, 2012 #81
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I can't understand why paedophiles actually get themselves into trouble. If I were a paedophile, I'd never risk doing anything. Can't they just wank it off and do something else like play golf?

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Even when they have been at it anyone with his resources does not. Look at Bill Wyman he was obviously at it but would not make an admission now its fair to assume that when confronted by his,the girls and her mother's silence they dug deeper.Wyman was obviously confiendt they would find nothing else.Townsend obviously was not as confident.
It's amazing. the amount of pop stars and people with access to children/role models for children that have been at it.

Bill Wyman

Townshend alleged

Michael Jackson alleged

Jerry Lee Lewis confirmed

Gary Glitter confirmed

The Bay City Roller confirmed

Jimmy Saville alleged and alleged repeatedly

Christopher Denning confirmed which is funny, in a sick way, because he was friends with Kenny Everett who played the voice of that cat in the adverts who warned you about going off with paedophiles or strangers.

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It is documented fact that paedophiles and their fellow travelers target professions that have the trust of children and parents.Also they cite each other as justification for their depravity.We had it right here at vnnuk when nonce atkins cited his fellow nonce michael jackson as his inspiration
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It's amazing. the amount of pop stars and people with access to children/role models for children that have been at it.

Bill Wyman

Townshend alleged

Michael Jackson alleged

Jerry Lee Lewis confirmed

Gary Glitter confirmed

The Bay City Roller confirmed

Jimmy Saville alleged and alleged repeatedly

Christopher Denning confirmed which is funny, in a sick way, because he was friends with Kenny Everett who played the voice of that cat in the adverts who warned you about going off with paedophiles or strangers.

I'm sure I'm missing loads.
Which begs the question, if something is so commonplace, is it really abnormal?
 
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It is documented fact that paedophiles and their fellow travelers target professions that have the trust of children and parents.Also they cite each other as justification for their depravity.We had it right here at vnnuk when nonce atkins cited his fellow nonce michael jackson as his inspiration
Michael Jackson is in no way an inspiration. I was merely comparing Mark Twain to him, as the 19th century, straight version of Michael Jackson.
 
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Which begs the question, if something is so commonplace, is it really abnormal?
In certain circles, evidently so. My question is did they get into those type of careers because of the access to children or did they become attracted after they were surrounded by children?

When you compare the amount of normal, non-paedophile men to the amount of paedophile men, of course it stands out as abnormal. It's just that there seems to be an overload of them in entertainment circles.
 
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Which begs the question, if something is so commonplace, is it really abnormal?
Cancer is extremely commonplace, but nobody considers it "normal". It is a disease.

Sounds extremely similiar to the "it's natural" argument that fags and their butt buddies always use when arguing for faggotry.
 
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In certain circles, evidently so. My question is did they get into those type of careers because of the access to children or did they become attracted after they were surrounded by children?

When you compare the amount of normal, non-paedophile men to the amount of paedophile men, of course it stands out as abnormal. It's just that there seems to be an overload of them in entertainment circles.
Entertainers are extremely ego-driven individuals and because of this they often have a sense of entitlement when it comes to their vices, after all, they don't see themselves as regular people, being a celebrity makes them see themselves as "special."
 
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Entertainers are extremely ego-driven individuals and because of this they often have a sense of entitlement when it comes to their vices, after all, they don't see themselves as regular people, being a celebrity makes them see themselves as "special."
Doesn't make it right, though. One would think that they would restrain themselves or risk losing their career and more. Plenty of stars live very clean, wholesome lives. Take Cliff Richard (please!) there's never been a whiff of scandal about him and hundreds if not thousands of similar stature entertainers are the same.


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'What I did was insane': The Who's Pete Townshend breaks nine year silence on child pornography scandal

Townshend was one of 3,744 people arrested in UK as part of Operation Ore, a nationwide police crackdown on internet perverts
He was cautioned and put on sex offenders' register for five years
Reveals details about scandal, being abused himself and The Who in new memoir Who I Am
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He insisted at the time that he had simply been conducting ‘research’ when he paid £7 with his credit card in 1999 to access a website bearing the message ‘click here for child porn’.

Despite his denials of harbouring depraved desires, he accepted a police caution, and was duly placed on the sex offenders’ register for five years.

His image has never fully recovered, although he did play at the Olympics closing ceremony this summer, along with The Who’s only other surviving original band member, lead singer Roger Daltrey.

He has now broken his silence on the issue, as he promotes his new autobiography, Who I Am.

Speaking to The Times, Townshend said that he had struggled to express himself in the book because his actions seemed ‘insane’, even to him.

He said that when the police raided his home in 2003 after combing through the records of a US company hosting child porn sites, his main concern was just that they would read his diaries, featuring dilemmas about which yacht or flash car to splash out on, and think he was ‘a self-obsessed prat’.

Instead, he found himself condemned as a paedophile around the world.



Embroiled: Mr Townshend was one of 3,744 people arrested in the UK as part of Operation Ore, a nationwide police crackdown on internet perverts, but was later cautioned for the incident


Still rocking: The Who performed a string of their hits at the London 2012 Olympic Games closing ceremony in August. Mr Townshend's memoir is out next week.


Asked why he chose not to go to court to declare his innocence, he said he was simply ‘exhausted’ at the time and had been given just half an hour by officers at Kingston police station to decide whether to accept the caution.

He said he and his lawyers were ‘surprised’ by the police’s decision because they had all believed he would be let off.

He added that he thought prosecution lawyers would ‘****ing rip me apart’ if he went to court.

In his autobiography, he describes how the media storm about the scandal began, saying: ‘If I’d had a gun I would have shot myself, just to escape the lynching.’

Asked how seriously he considered suicide, Towns-hend said it was ‘only for a moment’ but added that he had despaired because he was not given any sense that the truth behind his actions would come out.

He added that he had since been plagued by fears that the publicity could lead to baseless further accusations.


Townshend explained: ‘Imagine three or four girls coming along and saying, “I had sex with Pete in the Sixties, when he was 25 and I was 12”. I know it didn’t happen, but when you’re a pop star people say all kinds of things.

‘I get lots of pictures of children with big noses who claim I’m their dad.’

TOWNSHEND'S BIG REVELATION ABOUT MICK JAGGER
Mick Jagger

Keith Richards famously claimed it was 'tiny' in his memoir Life. Now Mick Jagger may be relieved to hear that Pete Townshend has added quite a different description of the Rolling Stone's manhood in new memoir Who I Am.

According to The Times, Townshend describes Jagger as 'very well-endowed' after clocking him in loose pyjama-style trousers without any underwear in 1969. Speaking about the revelation, Townshend said: 'I did do that very deliberately. Let’s hope it gets the same amount of publicity second time round.

The songwriter said that he had been seeking to help victims of sexual abuse since 1976, which is when he set up the Double-O charity.

In his autobiography, Towns-hend details how when he was six, his musician parents sent him from their London home to live with his mentally ill grandmother Denny in Westgate On Sea, Kent.

He claims she was promiscuous and invited a succession of men to the house.

He recalled: ‘She wouldn’t let me have a lock on my door, which was terrifying.

'She had one guy that looked like Adolf Hitler, with a little moustache, his hair brushed to the side and a withered arm. He would sit me on his lap and I had to call him Uncle.

‘I don’t want to say I was sexually abused just because it’s convenient to explain why I’m so ... complicated, but I also don’t want to deny that what feels to me happened did happen.

‘Not that I was brutally raped, but something very creepy was going on.’

The experience may have been a spur for ‘wicked Uncle Ernie’, the disturbing paedophile character in the 1969 Who album and later cult film, Tommy.

Who I Am by Pete Townshend is published by HarperCollins on Oct 11 at £20


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209821/The-Whos-Pete-Townshend-breaks-year-silence-child-pornography-scandal.html
 
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Doesn't make it right, though. One would think that they would restrain themselves or risk losing their career and more. Plenty of stars live very clean, wholesome lives. Take Cliff Richard (please!) there's never been a whiff of scandal about him and hundreds if not thousands of similar stature entertainers are the same.
No, it doesn't make what they do ethical or legal; but I think a lot of celebrities don't think that the same rules apply to them as they do to everyone else.

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On 11 March 1977, Polanski, then 43 years old, was arrested in Los Angeles for the sexual assault of 13-year-old Samantha Geimer during a photo shoot for French Vogue magazine. Polanski was indicted on six counts of criminal behavior, including rape.[92][94] At his arraignment he pled not guilty to all charges.[95]

Geimer's attorney next arranged a plea bargain in which five of the six charges would be dismissed and Polanski accepted.[96] Because Polanski fled the country before final sentencing, the charges were not dismissed and still remain pending.

As a result of the plea bargain, Polanski pled guilty to the charge of "Unlawful Sexual Intercourse with a minor,"[97][98] and was ordered to undergo 90 days of psychiatric evaluation at Chino State Prison.[99] On release from prison after 42 days, Polanski understood that at the final sentencing he would be put on probation. However, he learned that the judge was planning to renege on his promise of no further jail time,[100] and might even deport him.[98][101] Polanski's attorney suggested that despite the fact that the prosecuting attorneys recommended probation, "the judge could no longer be trusted . . ." and the judge's representations were "worthless."[102]

Upon learning of the judge's plans Polanski fled to France on 1 February 1978, just hours before sentencing.[103] As a French citizen, he has been protected from extradition and has lived mostly in France since then.[104]

In an interview with Larry King Geimer said that the police and media had been slow at the time of the assault to believe her account, which she attributed to the climate of the era.[105] In 1988 she sued Polanski, alleging sexual assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and seduction. In 1993 Polanski agreed to settle with Geimer. In August 1996 Polanski still owed her $604,416; Geimer and her lawyers later confirmed that the settlement was completed.[105][106]

On 26 September 2009, Polanski was arrested while in Switzerland at the request of U.S. authorities.[107] The arrest brought renewed attention to the case and stirred controversy, particularly in the U.S. and Europe.[100] Polanski was defended by many prominent individuals, including Hollywood celebrities and European artists and politicians, who called for his release.[108] American public opinion was reported to run against him, however,[109][110] and polls in France and Poland showed strong majorities favored his extradition to the U.S.[111][112]

Polanski was kept in jail near Zurich for two months, then put under house arrest at his home in Gstaad while awaiting decision of appeals fighting extradition.[113] On 12 July 2010 the Swiss rejected the U.S. request, declared him a "free man" and released him from custody.[18]

During a television interview on 10 March 2011, Geimer blamed the media, reporters, the court, and the judge for causing "way more damage to [her] and her family than anything Roman Polanski has ever done," and stated that the judge was using her and a noted celebrity for his own personal gain from the media exposure.[105][114]
 
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No, it doesn't make what they do ethical or legal; but I think a lot of celebrities don't think that the same rules apply to them as they do to everyone else.
That's the closest you've ever come to condemning them.

Personally, I don't care how they justify it to themselves or others - my opinion is they want castrating or hanging - not bothered which, although the latter is preferable and a guaranteed cure.
 
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Aryan's taking a stand for the race have a moral responsibility to the race to conduct themselves in an exemplary fashion.The slack incontinence of morality accepted by general society is an affront to the race.True racial patriots do not seek loopholes in the jewish laws to give themselves free license with naive young girls.True patriots do not seduce or corrupt their women to satisfy their deviant sexual lusts and desires.Nietsche taught that Aryan man was beyond good and evil precisely because Aryan man had the innate self discipline not to indulge in base instincts bought about by extraneous influences.

Among civilised men, honour is conscious the two are indivisible in an Aryan.Those that seek to emulate the enemy and immerse themselves in filth and squalor such as akins are not Aryan.They are possibly a corruption of the true Aryan but more akin to the primitive bantu than the Aryan.A sort of "white" version of the dregs of the aliens.Their enthusiastic embrace of the libertine degenerate lifestyle is clearly seen in their post's here and similar forums.On a certain level this is all academic as these blighters have never attracted a decent woman to start with.It is all in their tiny akins like minds.
In summation one cannot be for the race and be a libertine,to do so insults the martyred dead of our race.
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This, right here, is how the pop stars keep getting away with it.
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He hurt no-one.may be he .was a bit silly ..which we all are from time to time..but .I still reckon him to be a TRUE legend....no-one can take that away from him....when I hear the name Pete Townshend..I think Lincoln Continental in the 60's....windmills.....f*** EVERYONE here we come.....Happy Jack....Pinball Wizard...true Mod hero.....AND ...unlike many other supposed "legends" ..he can actually play the guitar..
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I'm sure all the usual critics will be out in force atttacking Pete Townshend. But, did you arrest him? Did you take away his computer and examine it for four months? Did you find no evidence of any other serious wrongdoing? That is why he received a police cautuion and was not sentenced in court or banged up. What he did was stupid, or insane, as he now himself puts it. But he's no paedophile, never has been and never will be.
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Some of you need to read the lyrics of the song "Fiddle About" from the Tommy rock opera. Pete had been a victim as a child and it obviously left scars which troubled him as an adult - the song says it all. What he did was no worse than the police and child protection agents do when they discover the stuff on peoples' computers - he looked... possibly thinking it would help him understand his own abuse and the reasons and motivation behind it.
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I believe him. An innocent man declares his innocence, while a guilty man makes excuses, changes the story or tries to justify his guilt. Townsend was very clear on what he did, and clearly the police agreed as they found no photos, no evidence of anything further and nothing else to dispute his version of events. The man has no history whatsoever, before or after of any improprieties of this type. He made one single mistake and that's it.

If Townshend had been the creepy old bloke who lived in the end house and who offered sweeties to their six year olds, these DM commenters would have been the first to put his windows through. Yet because he's a "star" they give him a free pass.
 
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That's the closest you've ever come to condemning them.

Personally, I don't care how they justify it to themselves or others - my opinion is they want castrating or hanging - not bothered which, although the latter is preferable and a guaranteed cure.
I don't condone paedophilia, which is rightfully criminal and reprehensible. But I don't consider transgenerational relationships between consenting individuals who are both of the age of consent to be paedophilia, nor criminal.
 
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This, right here, is how the pop stars keep getting away with it.

If Townshend had been the creepy old bloke who lived in the end house and who offered sweeties to their six year olds, these DM commenters would have been the first to put his windows through. Yet because he's a "star" they give him a free pass.


It is incredible how they "all know" apparently because he can write and perform pop songs.Even if we allow his "fame" as justification for being "different" from the rest of us there can be no reason to exonerate him.One of these court nuts claims that he knows that only an innocent man would present such a defence and justification,and there, right there is the rub.Credulous rubes are the default in popular culture.As in "the movement" these airheads are legion.
Look at the police booted out of their jobs including the soham blighter,look at ronnie barkers son,look at campell,look at townsends claim that the police were intimidating him,all smart jewish bullshit.The only way an intelligent person could attach credence to townsends claim would be if all of this with supporting evidence had been shown at the time.Townsend should have taken a couple of million of his fortune (Just the royalties from csi would cover it) and presented his evidence and justification.An innocent man with real concerns about paedophiles on the prowl would want to do this for all the silent victims.A bloke like townsends with his money can get a face to face with Putin.Given irrefutable evidence in the public arena and Putin will have destroyed whatever alleged paedophiles were operating in Russia.
Townsends "smart" alibi is too little too late those who give it credence are either imbeciles or malicious paedophile sympathisers themselves.I bet the permanent juvenile guitar playing teacher would have supported townsend
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I don't condone paedophilia, which is rightfully criminal and reprehensible. But I don't consider transgenerational relationships between consenting individuals who are both of the age of consent to be paedophilia, nor criminal.
It depends on the definition of "trangenerational" - to me, used as I am to the legal age of 16 - 16 with any age of 16+ is acceptable. Sure, once the age gap gets to 4/5 or more years. I might find it a bit odd and I'd wonder what they have in common, but it's none of my business.

You were trying to defend a 30 year old man with a 15 year old girl, and that's paedophilia in the eyes of any right thinking man or woman. And now it's come out that she was 14 when he got together with her, three weeks past his own wedding.

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It is incredible how they "all know" apparently because he can write and perform pop songs.Even if we allow his "fame" as justification for being "different" from the rest of us there can be no reason to exonerate him.One of these court nuts claims that he knows that only an innocent man would present such a defence and justification,and there, right there is the rub.Credulous rubes are the default in popular culture.As in "the movement" these airheads are legion.
Look at the police booted out of their jobs including the soham blighter,look at ronnie barkers son,look at campell,look at townsends claim that the police were intimidating him,all smart jewish bullshit.The only way an intelligent person could attach credence to townsends claim would be if all of this with supporting evidence had been shown at the time.Townsend should have taken a couple of million of his fortune (Just the royalties from csi would cover it) and presented his evidence and justification.An innocent man with real concerns about paedophiles on the prowl would want to do this for all the silent victims.A bloke like townsends with his money can get a face to face with Putin.Given irrefutable evidence in the public arena and Putin will have destroyed whatever alleged paedophiles were operating in Russia.
Townsends "smart" alibi is too little too late those who give it credence are either imbeciles or malicious paedophile sympathisers themselves.I bet the permanent juvenile guitar playing teacher would have supported townsend
Quite apart from his own money, a quid from every fan he has would have bought him the best lawyer this side of hell so his not wanting to be ripped apart excuse is shite. If he had stood up in court, showed some sort of manuscript, some emails/letters from editors who he had contacted about his book (and if he had been planning a book, either or both of these would have been in his possession because any editor, agent or publisher would jump at the chance of a book from someone of his stature, as evidenced by the fact he now has a book out) he would likely have been exonerated and given the martyr rescuing saint persona he is now trying to project.

I have always thought that. Someone of his stature writing a book would have reams of letters from publishers begging for his attention yet he admitted it rather than let a jury examine the absence of such corroborating evidence and for that reason, I'm out.
 
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Esther Rantzen has told how some in broadcasting ‘blocked our ears’ to claims about Jimmy Savile made during his career.

In an emotional interview after viewing the ITV documentary, the broadcaster and Childline founder told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I feel that we in television, in his world, in some way colluded with him as a child abuser – because I now believe that’s what he was. We all blocked our ears. There was gossip, there were rumours.

‘It’s very distressing. We made him into the Jimmy Savile who was untouchable, who nobody could criticise. He was a sort of god-like figure. Everybody knew of the good that Jimmy did and what he did for children. And these children were powerless.



'Blocked our ears': Broadcaster Esther Rantzen now believes that Jimmy Savile was a child abuser after watching the documentary. She said that some in television 'colluded with him as a child abuser'

‘What these women say is so matter of fact, they corroborate each other. The style of the abuse and the attack on them was consistent one with each other. I’m afraid the jury isn’t out any more and what upsets me so much is that not one of these children could ask for help. The abuse of power was as great as the sexual abuse.’



A BBC spokesman said it had found no record of ‘misconduct or allegations of misconduct’ by Savile during his time at the BBC.

The explosive 55-minute ITV documentary titled In Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile will be screened on Wednesday.



'Untouchable': Rantzen said Savile was made into a 'god-like figure'


'He was all over me': 14-year-old Coleen Nolan (pictured with Savile on Top Of The Pops in 1979) said she was horrified when he intimately cuddled her on the show



The four women featured, now all middle-aged, offer compelling accounts of how they were groomed by Savile for sex when they were teenagers.

The documentary also features damning contributions from former BBC production staff who reveal that the star’s predatory behaviour with girls as young as 12 was an open secret. And a child protection expert who investigated the claims for ITV tells the programme he is convinced Savile, who died last year, would face arrest if still alive.

Singer Coleen Nolan, who does not appear in the ITV programme, revealed four years ago that she was horrified when Savile intimately cuddled her in 1979 on Top Of The Pops when she was 14. She said: ‘He was all over me. I could see my sisters glaring, “You touch her and we’ ll kill you!” – and they would have done.’

Mark Williams-Thomas, who for 12 years was a detective and child protection officer, spent a year talking to Savile’s former victims.

He told The Mail on Sunday: ‘They were in awe of an individual who could give them a great number of benefits, and so the abuse could go on and on unchecked.

'The women thought no one would believe them then, and even now they are terrified of the potential backlash from his fans and from his estate. But I have no doubt that on the evidence I have gathered, if Savile was still alive I would be banging on his door to get him nicked.’

Mr Williams-Thomas was a child protection officer with Surrey Police and worked on the prosecution of pop impresario Jonathan King on charges of sex with underage boys.

Since leaving the police, he has become a consultant on child protection and fronted the ITV documentary To Catch A Paedophile.

He said: ‘Early last year I was asked by a contact if I was aware of allegations that had circulated for years about Savile and young girls and if I knew of an investigation into a complaint made to Surrey police in 2007.

‘When Savile died, I began an investigation and was put in contact with several women who alleged they had been abused by him.’


The shocking conclusion of his investigation is that Savile, who was the face of Top Of The Pops for three decades as well as Jim’ll Fix It, groomed girls as young as 12 for sex.

Savile’s victims tell strikingly similar stories in the documentary, which is to be screened at 11pm – two hours after the watershed.

Until his death at 84, Savile was seen as an outlandish but avuncular star who loved tracksuits and ostentatious jewellery. But despite his tireless charity work, he never escaped dark rumours about his lifestyle. The ITV investigation makes concrete allegations for the first time.



Would have: Savile, who died last year, pictured is his grave, would have faced arrest if still alive, a child protection expert claims on the documentary

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Esther-Rantzen-We-colluded-Jimmy-Saville-child-abuser.html
 
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Pete Townshend has come clean. Or as clean as you can get when there’s the nasty business of child pornography on your otherwise squeaky-clean rock-star record.

Drugs, hookers, the wrecking of hotel premises – all part of the game when you play in a band – but even rock puts limits on excess, and when Townshend was caught buying obscene images of children on the internet nine years ago, it seemed he’d exceeded that limit.

Now, to coincide with the publication of his autobiography Who I Am, the 67-year-old Who guitarist wants to explain what really happened. He puts it down to “White Knight Syndrome”, which is apparently brought on by being too eager to help others. It was, says Pete, his keenness to help counter the child pornography trade that made him give his credit card details to a supplier of such material.

Those who believed his previous explanation that he was “researching” child abuse will doubtless believe this one, too, while those who don’t are likely to remain sceptical. The book will probably sell well, and Townshend, who was put on the sex offenders’ register for five years, will continue as one of the more intriguing figures in the rock cosmos.

He tends to live above the tat of his trade, and the interviews he gives are laced with references to his taste and erudition – the Francis Bacons on the walls of his grand house on Richmond Hill, the literary aperçus that trip effortlessly from his lips, the science documentaries beaming from his laptop.





From one of these interviews came the telling observation: “He is arguably the first rock star Freud would have loved.”

And here might lie the key to everything. In I Can’t Explain, which The Who recorded in 1964, Townshend writes: “I’m getting funny dreams again and again / I know what it means / But I can’t explain.”


That Townshend is a troubled soul is no secret. And if it was, his whole oeuvre blows it. Before The Who, pop songs tended to deal in quick-burst declarations of love, happiness and heartbreak. Townshend took the genre into the realms of trauma and incomprehension.

He has spoken of being “psychologically triggered”, possibly by the experience of abuse when he was young. “I had the sense that there was some stuff in my childhood that was difficult and strange,” he has said, “but I couldn’t remember it. I’d spoken to a few therapists, who said: 'If you’d been abused you would remember it – you wouldn’t have blacked it out,’ although one did say, 'What you could have blacked out is some abuse you enjoyed’.”

He was born in west London in May, 1945, a week after the end of the Second World War. Pete’s parents were showbiz types – his father, Cliff, played sax, and his mother, Betty, was a singer. His early years were “almost paradise”, he recalls, but everything changed for the worse when he was six.

Betty was having an affair, his parents’ domestic life was in turmoil, and Townshend was sent to live with his grandmother in Westgate-on-Sea, Kent. He soon discovered she was no ordinary, kindly granny. “She turned out to be clinically insane and very abusive,” he says, “this loon grandmother who walked around naked under her fur coat and tried to s--- bus conductors.”

Somewhere in this mix was an “uncle” – later the model for the sinister Uncle Ernie in Tommy – who Townshend suspects may have abused him.

By the time he returned to London, Townshend had discovered music. His mad granny had, at least, given him a cheap guitar and on it he tried to out-strum the likes of John Lee Hooker and Bo Diddley. At Ealing Art College he formed a band with John Entwistle. In 1964, they were joined by an old schoolmate, Roger Daltrey, and a wild-eyed drummer from Wembley called Keith Moon. The Who were born.

The band was instantly different. For a start it was resoundingly British. The Rolling Stones took their cues from American R&B, while the Beatles took them from everywhere, but The Who took theirs from the parka-wearing, scooter-riding, up-for-aggro mods, who at the time were the most prominent British youth-rebellion oddity.

Townshend was the original Modfather and the Union flag was the band’s motif. But with Townshend at the productive helm, their music expanded into previously untrodden areas, such as rock operas, and in that sense fulfilled Townshend’s dream of steering pop into the cultural mainstream.

Like most of the survivors of rock’s imperial age, The Who (though only Townshend and Daltry are left) can’t quite understand how they are still going, yet they show no inclination to quit; in November, the pair take their 1973 opus Quadrophenia on a 36-venue tour of North America.

It has to end sometime, though, and that may be why, before he takes off, Townshend is keen to clear up a few misunderstandings.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/9575904/Pete-Townshend-why-he-wont-get-fooled-again.html


Like I keep saying, the shrinks and media are keen to push onto us that many paedophiles should be absolved because of being were abused themselves.
 
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A new TV documentary to be broadcast on Wednesday appears to show the late TV star Sir Jimmy Savile defending child molester Gary Glitter during an interview, insisting that the disgraced pop star had 'done nothing wrong'.

Women have recently gone public with accusations that Savile, who died last year aged 84, groomed girls as young as 12 by offering them sweets, cigarettes and tickets to be in the audience of his shows.

Now, in the documentary Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile, the presenter appears to come to Glitter's defence, insisting the sexual predator had only watched 'dodgy' films - referring to the child pornography that was discovered on the singer's computer.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211110/Jimmy-Savile-defended-paedophile-Gary-Glitter.html
 
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He puts it down to “White Knight Syndrome,” which is apparently brought on by being too eager to help others. It was, says Pete, his keenness to help counter the child pornography trade that made him give his credit card details to a supplier of such material.

Those who believed his previous explanation that he was “researching” child abuse will doubtless believe this one, too, while those who don’t are likely to remain skeptical. The book will probably sell well, and Townshend, who was put on the sex offenders’ register for five years, will continue as one of the more intriguing figures in the rock cosmos.

He tends to live above the tat of his trade, and the interviews he gives are laced with references to his taste and erudition — the Francis Bacons on the walls of his grand house on Richmond Hill, the literary apercus that trip effortlessly from his lips, the science documentaries beaming from his laptop.

From one of these interviews came the telling observation: “He is arguably the first rock star Freud would have loved.”

And here might lie the key to everything. In I Can’t Explain, which The Who recorded in 1964, Townshend writes: “I’m getting funny dreams again and again / I know what it means / But I can’t explain.”

That Townshend is a troubled soul is no secret. And if it was, his whole oeuvre blows it. Before The Who, pop songs tended to deal in quick-burst declarations of love, happiness and heartbreak. Townshend took the genre into the realms of trauma and incomprehension.

He has spoken of being “psychologically triggered,” possibly by the experience of abuse when he was young.

“I had the sense that there was some stuff in my childhood that was difficult and strange,” he has said, “but I couldn’t remember it. I’d spoken to a few therapists, who said: ‘If you’d been abused you would remember it — you wouldn’t have blacked it out,’ although one did say, ‘What you could have blacked out is some abuse you enjoyed.’ ”

He was born in west London in May 1945, a week after the end of the Second World War. Pete’s parents were showbiz types — his father, Cliff, played sax, and his mother, Betty, was a singer. His early years were “almost paradise,” he recalls, but everything changed for the worse when he was six.

Betty was having an affair, his parents’ domestic life was in turmoil, and Townshend was sent to live with his grandmother in Westgate-on-Sea, Kent. He soon discovered she was no ordinary, kindly granny.

“She turned out to be clinically insane and very abusive,” he says, “this loon grandmother who walked around naked under her fur coat and tried to s— bus conductors.”

Somewhere in this mix was an “uncle” — later the model for the sinister Uncle Ernie in Tommy — who Townshend suspects may have abused him.

By the time he returned to London, Townshend had discovered music. His mad granny had, at least, given him a cheap guitar and on it he tried to out-strum the likes of John Lee Hooker and Bo Diddley.

At Ealing Art College, he formed a band with John Entwistle. In 1964, they were joined by an old schoolmate, Roger Daltrey, and a wild-eyed drummer from Wembley called Keith Moon. The Who were born.

The band was instantly different. For a start it was resoundingly British. The Rolling Stones took their cues from American R&B, while the Beatles took them from everywhere, but The Who took theirs from the parka-wearing, scooter-riding, up-for-aggro mods, who at the time were the most prominent British youth-rebellion oddity.

Townshend was the original Modfather and the Union flag was the band’s motif.

But with Townshend at the productive helm, their music expanded into previously untrodden areas, such as rock operas, and in that sense fulfilled Townshend’s dream of steering pop into the cultural mainstream.

Like most of the survivors of rock’s imperial age, The Who (though only Townshend and Daltry are left) can’t quite understand how they are still going, yet they show no inclination to quit; in November, the pair take their 1973 opus Quadrophenia on a 36-venue tour of North America.

It has to end sometime, though, and that may be why, before he takes off, Townshend is keen to clear up a few misunderstandings.
Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/Pete+Townshend+tries+clear+child+porn+misunderstanding/7324956/story.html
 
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