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Old July 23rd, 2012 #41
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BTW, did the Nazis ban smoking anywhere or just run public ads? I am not clear on that point. I thought they banned it somewhere, but I really don't remember.
 
Old July 23rd, 2012 #42
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Well then I can hear some liberal woman firing back saying "A business owner can decide if he wants smoking or not, but I can't decide if I want black bucks in my bed?"
This is the thing. This is why people think my suggested mix is inherently contradictory and unworkable: either you're all liberal or you're all dictatorial. But I don't think that's right. My view is that the negative externalities of race-mixing are so great and unavoidably destructive on white society that miscegenation cannot be allowed. But that doesn't mean I want it banned by law, that means I want the nation founded on that principle, and demonstrating it by driving out all non-whites and jews, and whites who support miscegenation. I think it's that serious. It's something worth killing over.

But almost everything else can be compromised. Almost everything else can be worked out through private, voluntary arrangements rather than by centralized force. Let white socialists live with others who think the same. Ditto for us freemen. But let all of us live under a racial umbrella. And let no one be allowed, in any form, to undermine the racial basis of the state. And let each citizen of the state give his formal, contractual, ritual consent to the racial basis of the state by signing a loyalty oath/contract to that extent.

It just seems to me that we are in an age with incredible technical tools. And given that it is proven that government is the worst way to handle everything - it just creates and exacerbates problems - we ought to take advantage of our times and let a thousand private white social political experiments bloom. Some will succeed. Some will fail. But the racial state will remain permanent, and people can readjust on the other arrangements.
 
Old July 23rd, 2012 #43
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Good job, Alex. You have the clarity of mind necessary and a great radio voice. You can sway them with your logic and truth. Thanks for the competent and persuasive representation.

What comes through in this show, is your fearlessness in the face of kike power. There are so many who know but are cowards, afraid to tell it like it is.

I enjoyed it immensely.
To me it's a matter of self-respect. How could I look at myself in the mirror if I didn't faithfully report what I know to be true about jews (or anything else)? This is very basic integrity. I don't understand why conservatives don't think like this. They seem to me hollow. I guess material success makes up for it.

But I really believe this stuff is genetic. That's why I don't credit myself with bravery, it's just how I am. I literally could not go along with lies and bs to support the jews if I wanted to because my genes would not allow it. And I think for people like P.J. O'Rourke who prostitute their great talent for satire to serve the neocons' warmongering agenad, as he did in his later and lackluster years, it's the same thing: they experience great pain at being socially excluded and not part of the insider crew if they step outside the line, so they find a way to justify what they do. I really believe basically everything is genetic ultimately.
 
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What motivates me is I really really really hate the idea that these nasty shitty little rat people have political power over me and mine. They are inferior little lying, murdering, deceiving shits, and they deserve to be expunged from the earth.

And I feel like our forebears truly failed in not coming up with a much more solid "here's your racial context/life plan" for inculcating fresh generations of our kind. There's where I truly do blame whites folks. I used to feel that irony so strongly walking across campus. Like, who the fuck put any thought into this? It's just cracked wide open. In no way are these classes truly amounting to an education in the liberal arts. You're not being contexted into your proud background and great future, you're just kind of blowing in the wind. The only community these so-called elites have to offer is being part of some ethereal dessicated raceless global community. That's nothing. It's nothing I want. It's nothing good. And if you scoff at it, you're treated like the turd in the punchbowl. The Wasp vision of a New World Order is like pretty much everything WASP: thin, dessicated, immensely unappealing.
 
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Yes, there will be more. I kept it under wraps a little today, because it's Yeager's show. On my own, there would be more ranting and some singing and doing voices.
 
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Just as I thought. Whenever someone wants to discuss something concerning serious things or reality here, it either gets poo-pooed or ignored!
 
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Just as I thought. Whenever someone wants to discuss something concerning serious things or reality here, it either gets poo-pooed or ignored!
You can't even formulate an intelligible question.
 
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Gore Vidal has been a Coward, or has refused to tell what he knew long ago, but his income was due to joos.

Vidal did say a few items of truth, and one was this, if I remember correctly.

He stated once "My people just do not have the gift of talking, debate and verbally fighting.

jooos have beat Whites back verbally for one reason, White's at large never had the facts, because White's had no access to facts for the majority in past decades.

Look at what the jooos did in 1987 to stop Ted Turner from taking over CBS, as they paid four times itz value to stop him.

As for Father Coughlin he died in 1988. His speeches were on target many times and he knew FDR was criminal IMO.
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[posted this at Yeager's site, still waiting approval]

"National Socialism was designed for the highest collective good, not for individual good."

At its high point barely 30% of the population voted for it. By definition, 70% not wanting what you're selling means you're not representing the what the collective itself sees as its good, you're representing your own minority conception of what's good for it.

The problem is, Carolyn, there's no agreement on what 'collective good' means, apart from not being genocided by jews. And in fact, there's a hell of a lot of white people who don't even agree on that - they're called liberals. And they're perfectly happy with whites being blended out of existence. And they're just as white as you or I are. 'Collective good' is a phrase with no objective meaning. It's just a way to privilege one's own view over others' views.

What we all stand for is not the collective good, but a political outcome and arrangement we prefer AS INDIVIDUALS: an all-white nation, meaning not that we lord it over jews and coloreds, but that we have no jews or coloreds in our living space. At least that's what I want. I'm presuming everybody else here wants that too. And that's probably the only thing we all agree on.

Once we remove the racial enemy trying to destroy us, (1) how do we preserve our victory permanently?; and (2) how do we arrange things so that we can live most amicably and productively amongst ourselves? Those are the questions my conception addresses:

(1) A racial-defense dictatorship at the national level ensures the racial basis of the state. Defense is defined as narrowly as it can be and as widely as necessary. The scope cannot be nailed down a priori because it depends in part on circumstances.

(2) Beneath that national level, at the state and lower levels, we have decentralization into such groups and arrangements as white men see fit.

Since whites disagree about economic and religious questions, the bread and butter questions of daily life, and since these differences are profound and irreconcilable, let the white members of this new racial state divide up as they see fit - into states, or microstates, or city-states or whatever you want to call subnational political units. I could see a Mormon Utah city state; the South; a libertarian state; and a middle-ages-style Catholic state; and a Swedish-style welfare state. Who knows? Whites are very inventive. It is anti-White to crush their genetic individuation by means of coerced association - as we have today under the jews.

I think this is the best arrangement we could make. Understand that I'm perfectly willing to fight other white men _not_ to live under cradle-to-grave socialism, I detest it that much. And I grant you socialists the same, that you're willing to fight me. So let's separate since we can't get along. For me, the chance to live as a free adult ought to be the _larger_ part of the appeal of our racial cause, not an afterthought that almost no WN ever mention. The jew and racial stuff is merely a necessity - putting a fire out necessarily takes precedence over all other considerations.

The tools of the times allow decentralization and customization. Why stick with the outmoded notion of one-size-fits all? why subject everyone to the whims of some new post-card painter and armchair general who wants to reorder society according to his private whims?

White men don't need government running their lives. Niggers do. Most of my critics have never actually considered what it means to be White. I have. Decentralization is the only truly White form of politics because only Whites are capable of it. Centralization and dictatorship are a jew-mud thing.

Realize that all too many on our side have sub-100 IQs, and are essentially white niggers. Just like the black ones, they want what they can't obtain by their own efforts, and think a white government should give it to them. Contrast these with the intelligent, driven, angry young white men Ron Paul has collected. As individuals, they are more impressive than most racialists. But what they don't understand, because Paul won't tell them, is that you can't have the specific freedoms they want except in a white racial context. We are both individuals _and_ members of a racial collective. Both identities are real. To ignore either one is a great mistake. The chance to live as as a free, responsible adult in a White state is a lot more appealing than the chance to be live under a white socialist dictatorship. At least, it's a lot more appealing to the people we ought to be worrying about - the right half of the white bell curve.

We are white men. And 'white men' has two parts: the WHITE and the MAN. _Both_ identities are important. Not just one. I'm not going to destroy ZOG in order to turn it over to some NS clown who's going to treat me like a child or subject. One of the largest appeals of our cause, which we never use as a selling point is, or ought to be, the chance to live as a free adult. And make all the key decisions in your life. But these unseeing NS types simply envision the same old failed sclerotic socialism that has caused our race's spirit to die in the first place (with a tremendous assist from the vile christian cult, of course).

White men who can't run their own lives are no better than niggers, and if we subsidize them with racial socialism, we will get the same result as the Bonoite do-gooders who keep feeding the Africans: an ever-larger population of defectives and weaklings. No...our government will protect the racial basis of your community. The rest is up to you and your fellow white neighbors to work out.

Voluntary, private arrangements is the way to go, wherever possible. The libertarians have demonstrated this copiously over the years at lewrockwell.com . But you know what's most interesting? and only superficially paradoxical? These "individualists" the NSers despise get along much better, collectively, than racialists do - they are more cooperative, and carry on at an intellectually higher, friendlier social level than those on 'our' side. There is meaning there. No other group or political position, by contrast, is as fractious and ego-ridden as supposedly collective-good-seeking white nationalists/NS.

So these are my ideas, and I appreciate Ms Yeager having me on the show. If you have better ideas, post them here, or join my forum, at vnnforum.com , and post them there too. A.

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Especially your statement regarding a workable program is that,

"(2) Beneath that national level, at the state and lower levels, we have decentralization into such groups and arrangements as white men see fit.

"Since whites disagree about economic and religious questions, the bread and butter questions of daily life, and since these differences are profound and irreconcilable, let the white members of this new racial state divide up as they see fit - into states, or microstates, or city-states or whatever you want to call subnational political units. I could see a Mormon Utah city state; the South; a libertarian state; and a middle-ages-style Catholic state; and a Swedish-style welfare state. Who knows? Whites are very inventive. It is anti-White to crush their genetic individuation by means of coerced association - as we have today under the jews..."


I hope your piece will be published by your interviewer and that I can therefore feel good about linking to it in response to what I received after posting the link to the show and soliciting reactions from those on my list that are not VNN Forum members.

What occurs to me after speaking with several who've now listened to the instant broadcast, is that much of the admiration expressed for you comes from your willingness to say out loud what so many think and what your admirers wish they could or would do the same in any situation. Those couple of listeners that told me they didn't like listening to you say it is not necessarily because of what you said on the broadcast but your posture generally which comes across as arrogant and insulting. My guess is that you believe, given your character, intelligence, and written and verbal abilities, that personal insults are necessary to at least separate the men from the boys. I offer that feedback for what its worth to you and not as a put-down of anyone least of which my long-time associates.


There is no question that when Hitler rose to power circumstances were much different including the military and police being relatively neutral politically. However, it was important that Hitler had some general appeal. One if not the reason that Catholicism incorporated so much pagan baggage was that it was necessary for broad appeal. And I understand that a single-digit percentage of the American people initially supported a successful revolution in the latter quarter of the 18th century.

One should probably consider what sort of a critical mass is necessary these days and how to recruit it. That includes followers, as entirely too many without leadership ability but with valuable knowledge, skills, and abilities, including natures independent-enough to buck the system, arguably shouldn't be rejected out of hand but managed. That is a skill which not all leaders possess.

Recruitment was one of Dr. Pierce's gravest concerns which he said he believed he finally overcame by the mid-1980s and, while I hope he was correct, it certainly doesn't seem like it sometimes.

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Freemen vs Socialism

When I think of how many men and women live together today, for the sake of financial stability, and/or for the sake of being guaranteed someone in their bed at night (sounds like giving up), without the intent of children and procreation, family, etc (this is the key here), in a way, it is socialized living and recreation.

They call it 'love', yet they are unsure of whether or not they want a family and kids with that person (some flat out even reject the notion)?

That is miserable socialism. It makes sense that in a culture where that is the normal state of affairs in relations between men and women, the majority are miserable, and so many marriages end in divorce.

To make it short, I would never again be a woman's 'boyfriend' unless I had intent on family with her, and not necessarily because some morality commands that is right, but because I know I am basically lying to myself to say an ultimate word like 'love' if I would not go all the way. The marriage itself is not the important thing, the important point is that exclusivity without intent on family is degeneracy and cowardice; a word used by Spengler who was so apt to highlight a precedence of the classic Prussian type is fecundity.

Prenups exist in a Jewish deceptive world of contracts and lawyers where the white men are most definitely in a slave position. This so-called modern jet-set dream of being The Son of Man painting (a work that comes from a man who looks Jewish to me, but even if he is not, only a Jewish spirit could make such a work), wheeling and dealing, while you're prenupped wife watches over your estate as you bang honeys in Monaco, is Jewish uprooting to the core, and no uprooted plant life survives and prospers unless it longs to be the type of 'life' that the wandering rootless ones who call themselves Jews are, rotting bacterial life sustaining itself on the rooted.

It is the anti-thesis of that Prussian type Spengler highlights in a man like Moltke, the man with precedence on property, fecundity, family, autonomy. That other life is not autonomy, but rather being a slave to some shit a Jewish media and society put in your head. Property? Every time I see a Jew economist like Greenspan, he is singing the songs of how all of you stupid fucking goyim should 'rent'. Ah, I suppose he is right though in such a Jewish debt system where you never actually own any of your so-called property. Drive the car by the bank so it can see it's owners, isn't that the line?

Desiring someone to love you is merely another way of saying you want to be the dominating force in their soul, the exclusive one above all others that makes that person exclusive to you. The weight of it is underestimated, the fact that it is a compacted word that essentially says you want to deny the rest of the world access to a persons most intimate being in all aspects.

The majority of people 'in-love' are more than likely socialist wretches who have no real concept of what the word means in historic western society, and in truth they use the word in a very eastern-like way; the litmus test being whether or not there is someone else in their mind that stands as an equal or higher; and from the common 'flirting' that occurs on modern society on a daily basis, I suspect this is all the case.

Funny how women rattle on that the era has changed from the days of when a woman had to find a man or go into the convent, yet she still acts that way, yelping how she doesn't need a man, while she manages her flirting text list on her phone, neurotically holding the iPhone in front of her face every 5 minutes.

So is the modern young woman we see every day.

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Wrong! Assuming you are intelligent enough to understand what I am saying, then one has to assume that the guilty party here is you!

Now, either you want me to contribute to this forum or you don't! Let me know.
 
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Shut up George you fucking idiot.

I listened looks like Alex was "up for it" he came out with both barrels firing !
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Now, either you want me to contribute to this forum or you don't! Let me know.
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Jolly good show, Alex. So good, I listened to the whole 2 hour program and hated for it to end. Ms Yeager, btw, strikes me as being highly intelligent, jew-wise, and refreshingly feminine, in a Germanic, no-nonsense sorta way - a bit mindful of Ingrid Zundel.

And to be honest, I side with Ms Yeager regarding an NS versus a Libertarian government for Aryans. At least contemporarily, and until after we've settled accounts with the GD kikes, and are free from them. For which the NS iron broom method is essential. After that, we'll begin giving some libertarian options to the lemmings.

Unite, organize, and educate !!! Stampede the white masses into joining us in the streets in ever increasing numbers !!! Let's "do it" like Hitler did it !!!
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[my second response on Yeager show thread, waiting approval]

My critics have no problem with ZOG, where the federal government is involved in an increasingly totalitarian way with every last aspect of life, they just want their own kind to be running it. And they actually believe they are radicals rather than run-of-the-mill big-government socialists pushing policies that the entire 20th century proves don’t work.

All the big government some of you favor does is create new problems and exacerbate existing ones. It wouldn’t be much different if whites were running the show instead of jews. So stop your silly whining and enjoy – you have 90% of what you want today…right now. Just move away from blacks and don’t criticize jews publicly, and you have exactly the government you want. Enjoy!

What about NS? That was a hugely successful racial socialist enterprise, right? Was it? Really? NS didn’t hurt our enemy the jews, it let them escape, encouraged them to emigrate _by government policy_. The vast majority of our race’s worst enemies were allowed to get away, including nearly all the most pernicious ones, and reestablish themselves in new lands! Even in the one thing NS is most (falsely) famous for, and credited with – it utterly, completely and totally failed: dealing with the jews.

Thanks in part to NS, 10% of the German population was killed off in a mere 12 years. That’s quite an achievement, Herr Hitler. Not to mention another 40+ million White men in other white countries got deaded up. How does that bode for the “survival, betterment, expansion and securing the future of the race” the NS were supposedly concerned about? You can say others were to blame, and that’s certainly true, but what you can’t say is that national socialism succeeded.

The only real thing NS has to teach us today, which I more than any other man have advocated learning from these last 10-15 years, is how to take power from jews. How to do propaganda and run meetings and organize. The lessons are all online at calvin.edu, and I have expounded them ceaselessly from day one.

What we’re dealing with in WN are a lot of mental children and wannabe state employees who think they will have the whip hand in the White Slave State they unwittingly prefer. The cruel irony would be, if they got their way, they’d find themselves subject to the whims of some assclown like Erich Gliebe. You can bet your bottom dollar that whatever he wants, and forces you to go along with, will be “for the betterment of the race.” And then the Carolyns will have it cruelly and coldly sink in that anyone can claim his preferred arrangement is for the good of the race. Even illiberals, who truly believe it’s best for whites to blend into the mass of subhumanit…

And who are we to say they’re wrong? There’s no objective way to judge. There’s just men fighting over preferences. Trying to attract as many as they can to their vision. I think my vision will prove most attractive because it appeals to the most capable among us, not the worst.

I’d like to see a better vision than mine, but so far I’ve seen no evidence you socialists are able to lay one out. If having the government involved in wiping everybody’s ass like it does today is the answer, why would anyone need white nationalism? We already have the socialism you guys want – all you want is to add a white veneer. You’re not radicals, you simply want a WOG rather than a ZOG. And the reason for this, apart from the greed of the inferiors, defined as those who want to use the state to steal from others what they cannot earn by their own efforts, is that most of you know noting of political theory and policy history, so you buy everything ZOG sells except race. What you haven’t realized is that ZOG isn’t just lying about race, it’s lying about everything, most significantly that more government is the solution to every social ill. You guys need to dejew your minds and start looking at yourselves as white men rather than white ants.

WHITE-MAN-ISM is what we need; not WHITE-ANT-ISM.
 
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Now, either you want me to contribute to this forum or you don't! Let me know.
Yeah, see if you have a question that a human being of ordinary capacity can understand, then ask it. Otherwise STFU and stay off this thread.
 
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Shut up George you fucking idiot.

I listened looks like Alex was "up for it" he came out with both barrels firing !
I'm happy to discuss most things, but I'm not going to sit there and try to puzzle out what some mental gerbil is trying to say if I can't pick it up on two reads. I'll make a sharp retort, or ignore it, but the bozo could figure that out and try again. Except that's why he's a bozo. He just expects others to read his mind and know wtf he's talking about. And if they don't respond, then this dolt intuits some Great Meaning from it. That's a known type, I've seen many of them here. Well, I won't tolerate much of that garbage on this thread or elsewhere.

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Jolly good show, Alex. So good, I listened to the whole 2 hour program and hated for it to end. Ms Yeager, btw, strikes me as being highly intelligent, jew-wise, and refreshingly feminine, in a Germanic, no-nonsense sorta way - a bit mindful of Ingrid Zundel.

And to be honest, I side with Ms Yeager regarding an NS versus a Libertarian government for Aryans. At least contemporarily, and until after we've settled accounts with the GD kikes, and are free from them. For which the NS iron broom method is essential. After that, we'll begin giving some libertarian options to the lemmings.

Unite, organize, and educate !!! Stampede the white masses into joining us in the streets in ever increasing numbers !!! Let's "do it" like Hitler did it !!!
I like the American view: stay off my property. Leave me alone. Don't tell me what to do. I'll listen to NS on taking power from jews. But when Hitler starts talking about publicly funding operas in every town, and building gigantic buildings in the capital, he's just another socialist putz trying to force-fit me into his stupid plans, and I will fight him.
 
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Jolly good show, Alex. So good, I listened to the whole 2 hour program and hated for it to end. Ms Yeager, btw, strikes me as being highly intelligent, jew-wise, and refreshingly feminine, in a Germanic, no-nonsense sorta way - a bit mindful of Ingrid Zundel.
It was fun. But two hours was all I could handle, for sure. I was losing steam physically after the first hour, but tried not to show it.

Ms Yeager and I just met, so there was some shock at each other's opinion, ie the smoking stuff.
 
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