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Old January 4th, 2020 #1
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There has traditionally been a strong Islamic strain in Croatian nationalism. Here we will examine it further.

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Croat Muslims (Croatian: Hrvatski muslimani) are Muslims of Croat ethnic origin. They consist primarily of the descendants of the Ottoman-era Croats.

After World War II thousands of Croats (even those with the Islamic faith) who supported the Ustaše fled as political refugees to countries such as Canada, Australia, Germany, South America and Islamic countries. The descendants of those Muslim Croats established their Croatian Islamic Centre in Australia in 36 Studley St. Maidstone, Victoriaand the Croatian Mosque in Toronto, headed by Mr. Kerim Reis
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Muslims and Croat nationalism

One of the major ideological influences of the Croatian nationalism of the Croatian fascist movement Ustaše was 19th century Croatian activist Ante Starčević.Starčević was an advocate of Croatian unity and independence and was both anti-Habsburg and anti-Serbian. The Ustaše used Starčević's theories to promote the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina to Croatia and recognized Croatia as having two major ethnocultural components: Catholic Croats and Muslim Croats.

The Ustaše recognized both Roman Catholicism and Islam as the national religions of the Croatian people while rejecting Orthodox Christianity as incompatible with their objectives.

Though the Ustaše emphasized religious themes, it stressed that duty to the nation took precedence over religious custom.They attached conditions to citizenship of people of Islamic faith, such as asserting that a Muslim who supported Yugoslavia would not be considered a Croat, nor a citizen but a "Muslim Serb" who could be denied property and imprisoned. The Ustase claimed that such "Muslim Serbs" had to earn Croat status. The Ustaše also saw the Bosnian Muslims as "the flower of the Croatian nation".


Džafer-beg Kulenović was a Muslim who later became the vice-president of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) on 8 November 1941 and held the position until the war's end. He had actually succeeded his older brother Osman Kulenović in this position. Kulenović later immigrated to Syria. He lived there until his death on 3 October 1956 in Damascus. While in Syria, the Croats in Argentina published a collection of his journalistic writings. In 1950, the Croat Muslim Community in Chicago published a speech he wrote for the Muslim Congress following World War II in Lahore, Pakistan. This twenty-two page pamphlet entitled "A Message of Croat Muslims to Their Religious Brethren in the World" detailed Serb aggression against Croats of Islamic faith and promoted the idea of Croat unity. Only a few months before his death, the Croatian Liberation Movement was formed, with Dr. Kulenović being one of the founders and signatories.
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Most Croat Muslims, like other Muslim communities (Albanians, Muslims by nationality, Muslim Roma, etc.) in are Sunni Muslim, though historically Sufism has also played a significant role among all South Slavic Muslims. The Mufti of Zagreb is imam Ševko Omerbašić, the leader of the Muslim community of Croatia. A new mosque in Rijeka was opened in May 2013. The Muslim community is also planning to build a mosque in Osijek and Sisak. A mosque in Karlovac is also being considered


The türbe of the Croatian Ottoman general Murat-beg Tardić next to the mausoleum of Gazi Husrev-beg in Sarajevo.



Mosque in Zagreb, built in glory to Croat Muslims by the Croatian fascist leader and politician who led the Ustaše movement Ante Pavelić during World War II



Memorial in Bleiburg, Austria, for Croat Catholics and Croat Muslims



Mosque in the Croatian capital city Zagreb.





Poglavnik Ante Pavelic
"To all Croats of Islamic faith a happy Ramadan Bajram"



Entrance to the mausoleum Kuyucu Murad Pasha, an Ottoman statesman of Croat origin who served as grand vizier of the Ottoman Empire during the reign of Ahmed I.



This 1942 map printed in the Independent State of Croatia presents the results of the 1931 census such that all Catholic Croats as well as Muslims are identified as simply "Croats".



A propaganda tribute (shout of the Croatian blood) to the Islamic cleric and the commander of the Muslim Militia from Sandžak, Sulejman Pačariz. Published by the "Osvit" magazine during the WWII.



Croatian mosque in Toronto Canada
 
Old March 2nd, 2020 #2
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The Ustaše recognized both Roman Catholicism and Islam as the national religions of the Croatian people while rejecting Orthodox Christianity as incompatible with their objectives.
This is not trurh,Orthodox Christians had regular rights. Ustasha movement established Croatian Orthodox Curch for orthodox Croats. Today they are approximately 16 000 orthodox Croats who live in Croatia. Višnja Pavelić,daughter of Ante Pavelić said that he did not have nothing against Serbs and Serbia. Serbia and Independent State Of Croatia were in alliance on that time. I know one serbian family whose ancestors had been in Ustasha movement. It is true that Ustasha allow Muslims into movement,Germans were impressed with that theory that are they Croats of islamic faith because they saw muslim world in alliance and wanted to have common actions,Germans also had Albanians in their ranks who had been also muslims. You know,Albanians and Muslims are pure Illyrians,dinaric sub-race who survived Ice Age in Balkan however Croat nationalist today rejected muslims Bosniak policy and want to have separated policy for Croats in bosnia in cons of muslim Bosniak interests. This is athem of muslim SS division on that time:


SS knew that there is not difference between abrahamic religion. In Hitlers Table talk we can see how Hitler rather favorized Islam as military religion than Christianity. He would rather see Islam than Christianity. National-socialism have their roots in Islamic mysticism by Rudolf Von Sebentrof who was pioneer of NS and member of one Turkish masonic lodge independent of british control.

This is Sarajevo in 1941. as part of Independet State of Croatia,today capital town of Bosnia with predominantly muslims. You can see mosques in video.


Ustasha movement also accepted Ashkenazi Jews into movement as Hitlers Germany,they had allowed to them European status if they wanted to accept new order in Europe. However,there are many books and posters distributed against judaism and jewish supermacism in Independent State of Croatia.
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This is reason why Stormfront ban me before couple of years. I had conflict with Stormfront administration and former moderator of Stormfront Croatia because of muslim question. Some membership with muslim origin in Bosnia who wanted to be WN had been banned because they are White muslims. Muslims in ww2 fought for Hitler in cons of USA membership ancestors who think that is Christianity as abrahamic cult better than Islam. Muslims had only SS division on that time. I see that is membership here correct and see that is Christianity also enemy as Islam because both are religions from the middle east and anti-white in cons of pro-white Christians in Stormfront who forbade discussion about religion just for protecting their Chrstianity. I must say you something about history of Ottoman Empire in Bosnia,they forcibly steal White childrens,islamize them and recruit in their troops however they allow other part of religion because Islam was not so important for them as protection of their Empire. Bosniaks in Bosnia are part of islamized Whites,they are dinaric-sub-race as Croats and Serbs in Bosnia who survived Ice age and who are Illyrians,autochthonous residents on Balkan who are not orginally Slavs because Slavs slavenized them.







This was chief of Croatian Orthodox Curch:





We can see on the pictures that Independent State Of Croatia did not have nothing against orthodoxy. I can here put also what NS think about Islam from Hitlers Table talk,they rather favorized Islam as militant religion than Christianity but it is enough I think.
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Rarely are things done just for "religious" purposes there is usually are more ulterior motive. Although it was a propaganda victory to recruit muslims there were more underlying reasons. After Yugoslavia breaks up there is german settlements and german ethnic areas within this territory. Himmler and to a extent Hitler had great fascination of the prowess of Bosnian troops under Austro-Hungarian rule. Bosnians were used as shock troops in ww1 and had long history of serving the Austrian empire. These ethnic german areas needed protection and the german army cannot be everywhere at once.

So the idea is brought to Himmler and he okay the idea. The underlying reason protect german ethnic territory. AND to deny the partisans manpower, 13th waffen ss had almost all the military age manpower of bosnians in it. Effectively cutting off Bosnian manpower/populace to be forced into the partisan ranks, as tito and commies were running around each village and taking all the men into their ranks if they want to go or not and then burn the villages afterwards. Setting up a Bosnian ss division was a propaganda coup in itself as it shows the people of the area the germans want them to protect their home area and operate against partisan bandits. And at the same time countering communist propaganda to get more ex-Yugo army and people into their ranks.

https://www.amazon.com/Himmlers-Bosn.../dp/0764301349

Probably the most comprehensive English language book about the 13th ss division well researched George lepre is pretty solid guy when it came to this subject. Even still it is not a well known topic and even some info is hard to come by now but the book is pretty good I must say. The grand mufti didn't have so much as a role in raising this division as modern judeo historians like to claim, almost now overnight since 9/11 now every book is about Islamic Nazis and mufti husseini responsible for worldwide Islamic Nazi squads all written by judeo authors.
 
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Islam is another abrahamic religion from middle east like christianity. Saying white muslims are not white or something like that is ape level iq especially in these days where white people are being displaced in europe by africans and asians.

If it rubs someone the wrong way and they dont want to marry white muslims, thats personal choice ofcourse. Also if they are crazy extremist ofcourse they should be delt with in appropriate manner like any other troublesome person.

But areas like bosnia and albania are one of last few places in europe not touched by the massive immigration of non whites (largley because they are too poor for anyone to want to immigrate there, same as rest of east europe).

Christianity and every other religion are obvious controll mechanisms/government for the middle ages when people couldnt read or write. Or for modern day people dumb enough to beleive in them. Or guilible and self deluding enough. Many people I talk to who are religious today I get the feeling they kind of know its probably bs but they want to beleive because it was forced on them when they were young and they want to sort of pretend they will go to heaven when they die and not just rot in the ground.

Which is all fine and dnandy but good luck planning a winning strategy in 21st century, around an ideology meant to manipulate and give meaning to the lives of illiterate peasants.

Religion is the childhood phase of humanity. Santa clause for adults.
 
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