Hitler was anti-Slavic

[John from Canada]

Originally Posted by Kajtimar

the "nation" is a social construct.

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.

Originally Posted by Kajtimar

But, what exactly is the difference between a German, who is living on the border with Poland and a Pole just behind this border? - There is no racial difference. Such Pole could easily pass as a German and such German could easily pass as a Pole.

Nonsense. There are Poles living in Germany and they remain Polish, not German.

[Serbian]

It is obvious that Kajtimar is a supporter of Tito.

Well Kajtimar, Hitler didn't want war with Yugoslavia. Hitler wanted peace in Yugoslavia. Hitler didn't even begin supporting ustashe until 1941, when his hand of co-operation was rejected.

Relations between Belgrade and Berlin were very good in the 1930's.

Hitler oganized grand welcoming ceremony and guards of honour for 'slavic sub-human' Knez Pavle and his wife. He even personally waited for them to arrive at the train station in Berlin in 1939.













South Slavic flags/coats of arms and national anthem of southern Slavs 'Hej Sloveni' played in Berlin with Hitler standing in respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5HaPTQ5J4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5HaPTQ5J4

If the Brits and commies hadn't been around to cause problems Yugoslavia would have remained untouched, of course Serbia would have still been bombed by the allies, but that happened anyway. Tito's requested allied bombings of Serbia killed more civilians than German bombing. Also why weren't Slovenian and Croatian towns as massively bombed by the allies like Serbian ones?

Anyway, on Hitler's invasion of Yugoslavia, which again didn't need to happen had we just rounded up the British backed local agitators and shot them.

Quotes form Hitler’s Order of the Day Calling for Invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece.April 6, 1941

Since early this morning the German people are at war with the Belgrade government of intrigue. We shall only lay down arms when this band of ruffians has been definitely and most emphatically eliminated, and the last Briton has left this part of the European Continent, and that these misled people realize that they must thank Britain for this situation, they must thank England, the greatest warmonger of all time. The German people can enter into this new struggle with the inner satisfaction that its leaders have done everything to bring about a peaceful settlement.

I have repeatedly warned of the attempt by the British to land troops in Southeastern Europe, and I have said that this constitutes a threat to the German Reich. Unfortunately this warning went unheeded by the Yugoslav nation. I have further tried, always with the same patience, to convince Yugoslav statesmen of the absolute necessity for their cooperation with the German Reich for restoration of lasting peace and order within Yugoslavia.

Offering Yugoslavia to take its rightful place in restoring the new jew free order in Europe. No NDH, no Ustashe, no Hazdzar Divisions, nom partitions of Serbian land,etc, but no, we had to die for foreign interests of Anglo-Judea and its anti Serbian twin Eastern Bolshevism.

After long effort we finally succeeded in securing the cooperation of Yugoslavia by its adherence to the Tripartite Pact without having demanded anything whatsoever of the Yugoslav nation except that it take its part in the reconstruction of a new order in Europe.

At this point the criminal usurpers of the new Belgrade government took the power of the State unto themselves, which is a result of being in the pay of Churchill and Britain. As in the case of Poland, this new Belgrade government has mobilized decrepit and old people into their inner Cabinet. Under these circumstances I was forced immediately to recall the German national colony within Yugoslav territory.

In addition, Yugoslavia for weeks has planned a general mobilization of its army in great secrecy. This is the answer to my eight-year-long effort to bring about closer cooperation and friendship with the Yugoslav people, a task that I have pursued most fastidiously.

and concerning Greece as some accused him of being anti Greek and wanting to enslave the greek people

The fight on Greek soil is not a battle against the Greek people, but against that archenemy, England, which is again trying to extend the war far into the Southeast Balkans, the same as he tried far in the north last year. For this reason, on this very spot in the Balkans, we shall fight shoulder to shoulder with our ally until the last Briton has found his Dunkerque in Greece.

If any Greeks support this British course, then those Greeks will fall at the same time as the British.

When the German soldier shall have proved himself, shall have proved that he is capable of beating the British in the Balkans, in the midst of snow and mountains, then also he will have proved that he can beat the British in the heat of the desert in Africa.

All the bloodshed and misery, which unfortunately comes with any war, would have been avoided had there been proper people in place in Belgrade at the time.

[Serbian]

WW2 era posters like this throughout Serbia, calling on the patriotic Serbian people to take their rightful place in the family of European nations, as we all fight jewish bolshevism together.

It says, "Serbia is in the anti Communist Front"

[Serbian]

How about this one Kajtimar. Was it worth it? What about the British betrayal of their stooge and blind fool Mihajlovic who the commies murdered.

[Serbian]

I guess this was just German propaganda being fed to Serbs,right.



Translation- "The jew holds the strings in his hand"


More German approved propaganda in Serbia



It says, 'Die Russian people, Stalin is sending you to your deaths in order to save jews'



Europe defending its 3000 year old culture against Bolshevism.

[Serbian]

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuca Cveca {Tito's tomb} from Belgrade to Ljubljana, that way your yearly pilgrimage to the site would be easier

[Jimmy McQuade]

Originally Posted by Serbian

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuca Cveca {Tito's tomb} from Belgrade to Ljubljana

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach?

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Jimmy McQuade

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach?

or Lubiana, but that is for them to decide not me.

I don't mind Agram though, after all your friends do want to be Goths

[Jimmy McQuade]

I met a couple of Agram Boys on holiday out here. I'm afraid they didn't have nice things to say about your boys.

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Jimmy McQuade

I met a couple of Agram Boys on holiday out here. I'm afraid they didn't have nice things to say about your boys.

Ah well, I guess we can't be loved by everyone

[Jimmy McQuade]

Chin up. There's always the Frogs.

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Jimmy McQuade

Chin up. There's always the Frogs.

[Adolf The Great]

It is true that the National Socialists had a dim view of most Slavs but it wasn't racially motivated it was politically, Hitler and the NSDAP loathed Communism and Jews, these were rife and popular in eastern Europe so they tagged the Slavs with them and said they belonged to it.

I don't agree with kidnapping children neither, that was wrong.

[Kajtimar]

The only reason Павле Карађорђевић (Prince Paul) signed the Tripartite Pact was to keep Yugoslavia out of the war. When France was defeated, he saw no other option, so he succumbed to Axis' pressure. But even then he remained openly pro-Allied. He helped Greeks when their country was attacked. He was maintaining the collaboration between the French and Yugoslav armies. And for three years he resisted the power of Axis.

> Source: Yugoslavia in crisis 1934-1941, Columbia University Press, 1962 Hoptner

(...) on March 27 in the early morning hours, the SERB PEOPLE and parts of the army who remonstrated against the surrender to the FASCIST PRESSURE, OVERTHREW THE GOVERNMENT, under the leadership of the chief of Yugoslav aviation, Gen. Dušan Simović, who became prime minister. King Peter II assumed the government amid UNPRECEDENTED SCENES OF PUBLIC REJOICING ON THE PART OF SERB PEOPLE, WHO SAW THEIR LIBERTY AND THEIR HONOUR SAVED. Under Gen. Simović, Dr. Vladimir Maček continued as vice-premier. Regent Paul fled to Greece, and the former premier and foreign minister were arrested. THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT THE COUP WAS A RESULT OF AN OVERWHELMING POPULAR DETERMINATION AMONG THE SERBS, A REAL POPULAR UPRISING backed by a large majority of the army.

> Source: Encyclopedia Britannica, edition 1943, Volume 23, page 923, entry: Yugoslavia. Author: Dr. Hans Kohn, Jr. Professor of History, Smith College, Northampton, Mass.

Yugoslavs were not so accommodating. But their stubbornness only spurred on the Germans to bring them into camp too. On March 4-5 [1941], the Regent, Prince Paul [of Yugoslavia], was summoned in great secrecy to the Berghof by the Fuehrer, given the usual threats and, in addition, offered the bribe of Salonika [Greece]. On March 25, the Yugoslav Premier, Dragisha Cvetkovic, and Foreign Minister Aleksander Cincer-Markovic, having slipped surreptitiously out of Belgrade the night before to avoid hostile demonstrations or even kidnapping, arrived in Vienna, where in the presence of Hitler and Ribbentrop they signed up Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact... The Yugoslav leaders were given two letters from Ribbentrop confirming Germany's "determination" to respect "the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia at all times" and promising that the Axis would not demand transit rights for its troops across Yugoslavia "during this war".

The Yugoslav ministers had no sooner returned to Belgrade than they, the government and the Prince Regent were overthrown on the night of March 26-27, by a popular uprising... [...]

> Source: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1960

In the case of Yugoslavia, Hitler was prepared to accept limited adherence to the Axis, for all he required was the use of the Belgrade (Beograd)-Nis-Salonika railroad. (Rail connections through Bulgaria were poor.) The Yugoslav government resisted the overtures, but in mid-March, after having refused several earlier invitations, it suddenly changed its policy and offered to sign the Tripartite Pact. The ceremony was held in Vienna on March 25. A day and a half later, on the night of March 26-27, a military coup d'etat forced Prince Regent Paul into exile... a new government... refused to ratify Yugoslavia's signature.

On March 27, HITLER DECLAIRED THAT HE WAS DETERMINED "TO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA AS A MILITARY POWER AND A SOVEREIGN STATE," and he ordered the Wermacht staff to complete military preparation at the greatest possible speed...

In the early morning of April 6, German planes bombed Belgrade. They came in at rooftop level, and in an hour and a half killed more than 17,000 of the city's inhabitants...

> Source:
Encyclopedia Americana, edition 1993, Volume 29, pages 442, 443, entry: World War II, Author: Earl F. Zemke, Historian, Office of the Chief of Military History, Department of the Army

During the delirious celebrations in Belgrade, in which a crowd spat on the German minister's car, the Serbs had shown where their sympathies lay.

The coup in Belgrade threw Adolf Hitler into one of the wildest rages of his entire life. He took it as a personal affront and in his fury made sudden decisions which would prove utterly dissastrous to the fortunes of the Third Reich.

He hurriedly summoned his military chieftans to the Chancellery in the Berlin on March 27 - the meeting was so hastly called that Brauchitsch, Halder and Ribbentrop arrived late - and raged about the revenge he would take on Yugoslavs... He was therefore determined,... "to destroy Yugoslavia militarily and as a nation. No diplomatic inquiries will be made," he ordered, "and no ultimatums presented." Yugoslavia, he added, would be crushed with "unmerciful harshness." He ordered Goering then and there to "destroy Belgrade in attacks by waves," with bombers operating from Hungarian air bases. He issued Directive No. 25 for the immediate invasion of Yugoslavia and told Keitel and Jodl to work out that very evening the military plans. He instructed Ribentrop to advise [the German allies] Hungary, Rumania and Italy that they would all get a slice of Yugoslavia, which would be divided up among them, except for a Croatian state.

And then, according to an underlined passage in the top-secret OKW notes of the meeting (1), Hitler announced the most fateful decision of all.

"The beginninig of the Barbarossa opreration [attack on Russia]," he told his generals, "will have to be postponed up to four weeks." (It had originally been set for May 15 in the directive of December 18, 1940).

> Source: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1960

The streets of Belgrade were soon thronged with Serbs, chanting,
"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"

> Source: Winston S. Churchill, "MEMOIRS of the Second World War, an abridgment of the six volumes of The Second World War", page 424, Bonanza Books, New York, 1978

Hitler oganized grand welcoming ceremony and guards of honour for 'slavic sub-human' Knez Pavle and his wife. He even personally waited for them to arrive at the train station in Berlin in 1939.

...



Look how happy they are. They like each other! Nobody means any harm.

Does this prove anything? No it doesn't. This is not an argument, Serbian.

Should your medieval ancestors succumb to Turkish advancements? Should they accept them as their masters without a fight?

"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"

This is pride, Serbian. Even when you know, that you have no chance winning a battle, you at least die honorably. Because death is better than treachery.

dr. Vojislav Seselj about WW2 - YouTube

dr. Vojislav Seselj about WW2 - YouTube

7:42 - skip to this point, if you don't have time watching the whole video.

Шешељ speaks about "7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", which was formed in 1941 from Volksdeutsche (German) volunteers and conscripts from the Banat, Independent State of Croatia (NDH), Hungary and Romania.

The division is infamous for its cruelty and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:

"Everything they came across they burnt down, they murdered and pillaged. The officers and men of the SS division Prinz Eugen committed crimes of an outrageous cruelty on this occasion. The victims were shot, slaughtered and tortured, or burnt to death in burning houses. Where a victim was found not in his house but on the road or in the fields some distance away, he was murdered and burnt there. Infants with their mothers, pregnant women and frail old people were also murdered. In short, every civilian met with by these troops in these villages was murdered. In many cases, whole families who, not expecting such treatment or lacking the time for escape, had remained quietly in their homes were annihilated and murdered. Whole families were thrown into burning houses in many cases and thus burnt. It has been established from the investigations entered upon that 121 persons, mostly women, and including 30 persons aged 60-92 years and 29 children of ages ranging from 6 months to 14 years, were executed on this occasion in the horrible manner narrated above. The villages [and then follows the list of the villages] were burnt down and razed to the ground."

— Dr. Dušan Nedeljković, Yugoslav State Commission, Document D-940

No proud Slav supports Hitler. Even far right one.

[Kajtimar]

Originally Posted by John from Canada

I smell bagels.

I thought I smelled bagels. But

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.

Make up your mind already, Mister "Brown-sweater" Rogers.

[Kajtimar]

Originally Posted by Jimmy McQuade

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach?

German Neo-Nazis dream about "German" Ljubljana, just like Nazis did before them.

I would quote Skadi and Thiazi forums, but "unfortunately", they were shut down.

[Kajtimar]

Originally Posted by Serbian

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuća cveća

I have never stated I support Tito nor Yugoslavia.

[Whitewarrior318]

Originally Posted by Kajtimar

No proud Slav supports Hitler. Even far right one.

Are you ignorant of the movement in Russia or are you purposely trolling?

[Serbian]

Not all things are black and white as you are attempting to present here. I already know about all the stuff you post in your links, there is nothing new that you are going to come up with which we haven't heard/read before in official communist Yugoslav history class. Your claim that Hitler wanted to 'exterminate the slavs' is ridiculous and is in the same category as 'he wanted to rule the world, eliminate non blue eyed people, he was a homosexual, dug addict, insane, etc. No man has been lied about more in human history than Adolf Hitler.

Originally Posted by Kajtimar

The only reason Павле Карађорђевић (Prince Paul) signed the Tripartite Pact was to keep Yugoslavia out of the war. When France was defeated, he saw no other option, so he succumbed to Axis' pressure. But even then he remained openly pro-Allied. He helped Greeks when their country was attacked. He was maintaining the collaboration between the French and Yugoslav armies. And for three years he resisted the power of Axis.

What was wrong with keeping Yugoslavia out of the war? Why should Yugoslavia have been pushed into something which didn't directly concern it? For the sake of Churchill's jews and the Soviets? Do you care so little for lives of the people of Yugoslavia that you are happy that they were pushed into a completely unnecessary war which resulted in Tito's communists coming to power? That doesn't sound pro Slavic to me.

on March 27 in the early morning hours, the SERB PEOPLE and parts of the army who remonstrated against the surrender to the FASCIST PRESSURE, OVERTHREW THE GOVERNMENT, under the leadership of the chief of Yugoslav aviation, Gen. Dušan Simović, who became prime minister. King Peter II assumed the government amid UNPRECEDENTED SCENES OF PUBLIC REJOICING ON THE PART OF SERB PEOPLE, WHO SAW THEIR LIBERTY AND THEIR HONOUR SAVED. Under Gen. Simović, Dr. Vladimir Maček continued as vice-premier. Regent Paul fled to Greece, and the former premier and foreign minister were arrested. THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT THE COUP WAS A RESULT OF AN OVERWHELMING POPULAR DETERMINATION AMONG THE SERBS, A REAL POPULAR UPRISING backed by a large majority of the army.

On whose payroll was Simovic?

Yeah, 'bolje rob nego rob, bolje rat nego pakt', such vomit inducing slogans for imbeciles and future cannon fodder for ZOG.

It wasnt very difficult for rabble rousers in the pay of the British together with communists and brainwashed liberals to fire up the naive and stupid masses, playing on outdated 19th and early 20th century blind reactionary Euro nationalism. Look how easy it was to whip the British people up over Hitler, even the kwans who were all the way across the ocean fell for it. When we also understand how the universities and urban centres were hot spots for radical anglophile activism and anti NS ideology it was to be expected.

Yugoslavs were not so accommodating. But their stubbornness only spurred on the Germans to bring them into camp too. On March 4-5 [1941], the Regent, Prince Paul [of Yugoslavia], was summoned in great secrecy to the Berghof by the Fuehrer, given the usual threats and, in addition, offered the bribe of Salonika [Greece]. On March 25, the Yugoslav Premier, Dragisha Cvetkovic, and Foreign Minister Aleksander Cincer-Markovic, having slipped surreptitiously out of Belgrade the night before to avoid hostile demonstrations or even kidnapping, arrived in Vienna, where in the presence of Hitler and Ribbentrop they signed up Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact... The Yugoslav leaders were given two letters from Ribbentrop confirming Germany's "determination" to respect "the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia at all times" and promising that the Axis would not demand transit rights for its troops across Yugoslavia "during this war".

So basically just wanting the country to remain neutral, guaranteeing its borders, and even offering access to the sea in Solun, was an attack on Yugoslavia? Great logic there. The Tripartite Pact was really horrid right? NDH Jasenovac and Tito's communists was a much better option for Serbs. But I understand you as you are not Serbian so what do you care.

In the case of Yugoslavia, Hitler was prepared to accept limited adherence to the Axis, for all he required was the use of the Belgrade (Beograd)-Nis-Salonika railroad. (Rail connections through Bulgaria were poor.) The Yugoslav government resisted the overtures, but in mid-March, after having refused several earlier invitations, it suddenly changed its policy and offered to sign the Tripartite Pact. The ceremony was held in Vienna on March 25. A day and a half later, on the night of March 26-27, a military coup d'etat forced Prince Regent Paul into exile... a new government... refused to ratify Yugoslavia's signature

Again your quotes are just proving my points.

On March 27, HITLER DECLAIRED THAT HE WAS DETERMINED "TO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA AS A MILITARY POWER AND A SOVEREIGN STATE," and he ordered the Wermacht staff to complete military preparation at the greatest possible speed...

In the early morning of April 6, German planes bombed Belgrade. They came in at rooftop level, and in an hour and a half killed more than 17,000 of the city's inhabitants...

> Source:

Im not going to go into exact numbers as they vary {of course even one innocent civilian is too much} but that is the unfortunate consequence of not minding your own business and stupidly putting yourself in a position between two big powers. Civilians died all over Europe killed by all sides. Tragic and could have been prevented.

Anyway read this
SAVEZNIČKO BOMBARDOVANJE SRBIJE U II SVETSKOM RATU
http://srpskifront.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=612

The coup in Belgrade threw Adolf Hitler into one of the wildest rages of his entire life. He took it as a personal affront and in his fury made sudden decisions which would prove utterly dissastrous to the fortunes of the Third Reich.

Well Hitler in the end did break his teeth on Yugoslavia, just as did Austro-Hungarian empire, just as did the Ottoman Empire. Then during the Cold War neither NATO nor Warsaw pact could dominate it. That still doesn't change the fact that Hitler's initial offer and hand of friendship was genuine and should have been accepted. His total anger and rage was a result of him genuinely feeling betrayed after all he had done, he didn't even think that something like this could happen and that Yugoslavia would betray him. If he wasn't counting on Belgrade he wouldn't have shown such emotion and rage as he did, it really affected him.

The streets of Belgrade were soon thronged with Serbs, chanting,
"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"

As I explained before in the post, nothing easier than to stoke the fire of the masses with propaganda.

Look how happy they are. They like each other! Nobody means any harm.

Does this prove anything? No it doesn't. This is not an argument, Serbian

Jewish USSR was a direct existential threat not only to Germany but all of Europe. Hitler attmpted to buy some time before the inevitable collision between the forces of good and evil. You cant seriously say that Yugoslavia was on the same level as the Soviet Union.

Should your medieval ancestors succumb to Turkish advancements? Should they accept them as their masters without a fight?

Comparing apples and oranges. Turks are non Europeans who came to conquer destroy and enslave Europe. Turks were not offering anything to Serbia unlike Hitler.

Some fools in Serbia will attack us and call us traitors by comparing Hitler to zionist NATO criminals that bombed us and took our land, but that is so absurd because of the fact that Hitler wasn't demanding we give up our land, in fact he was even going to give Serbia access to the port of Solun. Hitler was also the man who fought against the NATO pact of his time, the anglo-americans.

This is pride, Serbian. Even when you know, that you have no chance winning a battle, you at least die honorably. Because death is better than treachery

I agree here he is a character.

7:42 - skip to this point, if you don't have time watching the whole video.

Шешељ speaks about "7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", which was formed in 1941 from Volksdeutsche (German) volunteers and conscripts from the Banat, Independent State of Croatia (NDH), Hungary and Romania.

The division is infamous for its cruelty and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:

There were also a small number of Serbs, even Ukrainians and others in the division, anyone who had even distant German ancestry joined, many of them also served in the former Yugolsav army.

What is funny is you have some Croats claiming this

'Pokolj u Lovrecu 22. srpnja 1943. je bio pokolj kojeg su pocinili pripadnici pripadnici nekoliko stotina Talijana iz divizije "Bergamo", skupa sa stotinjak kninskih cetnika popa Ðujica, te oko stotinu (pretežito vojvodanskih) Nijemaca, s kojima su bili i vojvodanski Srbi (SS-ova folksdojcerska divizija Princ Eugen).

Now what about the SDK which you don't mention and its successes against the communists.



As for Seselj in general, he is not a Serbian NS nor does he speak for the movement in Serbia. I support him fully in his fight against the anti Serbian Zionist Hague Tribunal [where he has been languishing for a decade without them being able to prove anything against him], and I generally support his stance regarding Serbian national borders {with some adjustments}. Having said that I am not a follower of some of the more reactionary stuff he represents. Also going on about the Vatican and Germany instead of blaming jews is not really something I care too much about, not that Germany or the Vatican played positive roles in Serbian affairs during the break up of Yugosalvia during the 90's, but in the end they were just going along with ZOG policy.

[Serbian]

Read this and educate yourself Kajtimar, that is if you are not just a troll here to fuck around.

The Agony of Yugoslavia

by Milan Banic

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/l...4banicyugo.htm

and

http://www.skrewdriver.org/serb.html