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Prefabricated Fascists: The FBI’s Assembly-Line Provocateurs

by William Norman Grigg


"Valhalla" at work: FBI undercover asset Hal Turner, who was tasked to infiltrate and radicalize the "far right," speaks at a rally sponsored by the FBI-controlled National Socialist Movement (left); below, left, Turner holds forth at an event in Washington, D.C.; below, right, Turner with his attorney following his September 2008 arrest.

We'll be fighting in the streets with our children at our feet
and the morals that they worship will be gone.
And the men who spurred us on sit in judgment of all wrong
they decide, and the shotgun sings the song.

~ Pete Townsend

It's difficult not to experience a faint pang of sympathy for Hal Turner, albeit an ephemeral one deeply buried beneath multiple layers of well-earned disgust.

For at least five years, and probably more, Turner was a paid informant and provocateur in the employ of the world's largest sponsor of terrorism, the Federal Government. His assignment was to bait easily influenced people with incendiary rhetoric about race and other resentments, and reel in anyone who bit a little too lustily on the bait. The Bureau credits Turner with personally bringing more than 100 "extremists" to their attention, many of whom (the Bureau won't specify how many) were arrested.

There's every likelihood that at least some of Turner's victims were offered the same deal offered to Randy Weaver after he was set up on trivial and spurious firearms charges by an undercover snitch for the ATF: Become an informant/provocateur, and you'll stay out of jail.

Weaver rejected the deal, and the FBI eventually retaliated by attacking his home and murdering his wife and son. Jose Padilla, a rougher customer than Weaver, rejected the same deal; he was declared an "enemy combatant," subjected to prolonged torture intended to destroy his mental equilibrium and break his will, and eventually convicted on exceptionally dubious terrorism-related charges.

Before he was outed as a stukach in early 2007, Turner was the host of a web-based talk radio program and a freelance speaker who specialized in "incitement-and-indictment" entrapment of "right-wing extremists." Hackers discovered a cache of e-mail correspondence between Turner and William Haug, an agent working for a Joint Terrorism Task Force who acted as the informant's handler. Turner closed down his radio program while emitting great gusts of affected outrage over what he insisted were spurious accusations that he had collaborated with the Feds.

In a message posted to Pro Libertate after he was identified as an agent provocateur – along with federal assets tasked to carry out similar missions within Muslim sub-populations in the U.S. – Turner insisted that only "PARANOID FREAKS (like this blog)" would suspect him of collaboration.

By way of establishing his neo-Nazi bona fides, Turner boasted that "my [white supremacist] rallies in Kingston NY and Kalamazoo, MI cost those cities $60,000 and $120,000 respectively in police overtime and that there's no way the FBI would have approved anything like that by an informant because the cities would have demanded the money back!"

Actually, as we'll see anon, the FBI has no problem staging white supremacist rallies and protest marches that help "local" police departments rack up overtime.

Certainly, the police don't mind making a little extra money by swanning about in riot gear. Events of the sort Turner organized are an intelligence bonanza for the Regime: They give the FBI (and, most likely, other Homeland Security assets) an opportunity to harvest detailed information for federal databases about both "right-wing extremists" and their opposition.

We know this is the case through first-person testimony from an FBI undercover asset who spent nearly a decade worming his way through the "radical right" – including the National Socialist Movement (NSM).

The NSM's adherents doubtless see themselves as the finely honed blade of a resurgent "white power" movement, a description promoted with similar zeal by professional hate-hucksters like Morris Dees' artfully misnamed Southern Poverty Law Center and the so-called Anti-Defamation League.

Actually, the NSM is "all show, no go" – it's more of a federally controlled traveling roadshow, sort of a Third Reich tribute band. Its cadres exude all of the raw menace of the hapless Illinois Nazis from The Blues Brothers, and possess all of the street-fighting chops of the bumbling Black Widow biker gang from Clinton Eastwood's Philo Beddoe films.

But I digress.

We were discussing Hal Turner's career as an FBI informant/provocateur code-named "Valhalla," details about which have been pried from the Bureau by reporters for the Bergen (New Jersey) Record.

Beginning in 2003 (or, as Turner claims, 2002), Turner was a paid informant "who spied on his own controversial followers," reports the Record, citing "government documents, e-mails, court records, and almost 20 hours of jailhouse interviews" with the snitch. Turner "received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on such groups as the Aryan Nations and the white supremacist National Alliance, and even a member of the Blue Eyed Devils skinhead punk band."

"I was not some street snitch," insists Turner. "I was a deep undercover intelligence operative." He demands recognition of that distinction with the same desperate desire for dignity displayed by any other whore who seeks to upgrade his or her job description with a more refined title.

The FBI budgeted at least $100,000 to pay for Turner's performances, both on his radio program and in public speeches. He now insists that he was merely role-playing on behalf of his pimps – both the FBI's Special Agent Haug and New Jersey State Police Detective Leonard Nerbetski, who also served on the Newark Joint Terrorism Task Force.

As he tells the story, Turner was required to feign passion for various unsavory causes: In interviews with the Record, Turner maintained that "the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements and new now feels double-crossed by the Bureau after his arrest."

"The audience loves the rip-roaring radio psycho," Turner boasted in an e-mail to the FBI. "They literally throw money at it. Just be confident that the personality you hear (or hear about) on radio is not real life. I have zero intention of doing anything stupid."

In the guise of the "radio psycho," Turner – with the FBI's help – was pulling down about $15,000 a month to express such edifying sentiments as the following: "A full day of violence against blacks would be a really nice thing.... [L]ynchings, church burnings, drive-by shootings and bombings [would] put these subhuman animals back in their place."

Turner materialized at various white power gatherings in several states. He also traveled to Brazil on the FBI's dime to spy on suspected white supremacists in that country, as well as to investigate an alleged plot by white supremacists and Brazilian Arabs to send "consumer goods" to resistance fighters in Iraq. It's difficult to believe that the CIA remained entirely aloof from that aspect of Turner's career.

While the FBI was willing to abet Turner's efforts to incite violence against innocent people, the Feds moved against him shortly after he published comments on his blog interpreted as death threats against three judges in Chicago. He was arrested shortly before the 2008 election and is scheduled to stand trial this week.

As the song says, "some men like the fishin', some men like the fowlin', and some men like to hear the cannonball a-roarin." Turner likes nothing more than hearing the sound of his own voice. Yet "here I am in prison, betrayed," he laments, arrested by the same FBI Special Agent who recruited him and – he plaintively maintains – fed him his lines.

"I was given specific instructions," Turner declares, and he played the role of racist agitator out of his duty as "a loyal, patriotic decent American citizen."

Turner may be telling the truth. His experiences are eerily similar to those recounted by former FBI "deep cover" operative (and one-time Roller Derby star – no, I'm not kidding) David Gletty in his ineptly written but highly useful memoir Undercover Nazi: The FBI Infiltration of Extremist Groups in America.

In what strikes me as a transparent effort to cultivate a marketable mystique, Gletty says that many details of his work as a paid FBI snitch remain "classified." He claims to have been recruited in 2000 when, as the leader of a constitutional militia, he came across a plot by an Appalachian white supremacist to set off a string of radiological bombs in collaboration with al-Qaeda.

Recruited as a "deep cover" operative, Gletty spent several years cultivating ties with "extremist" groups, including elements of the KKK, the Hammerskins, and eventually the National Socialist Movement. He was careful to get his "ticket punched" by working with legitimate dissident groups such as the League of the South, and various immigration reform groups, such as at least one element of the Minuteman volunteer border watch movement.

Gletty's most notable achievement was to infiltrate and become leader of a National Socialist Movement chapter in Florida and organize a 2006 NSM march in Orlando that was intended to sow fear and anger in a predominantly black neighborhood.

To prepare for that role, Gletty behaved much as Hal Turner had, fulminating in public about the supposed inferiority of non-white people and befouling the air with exhortations to collectivist violence. This not only legitimized Gletty in the eyes of his comrades in the NSM, it also helped to rile up the group's enemies, thereby ensuring a large turnout of counter-protesters for the February 2006 march in Orlando – which was exactly what the Bureau desired.

During his years as an informant/provocateur, Gletty was usually accompanied by a fellow asset he identifies only as "Joe." During the Orlando protest, Gletty recalls, Joe carried a concealed digital camera "for taking all the photos he could of protesters and counter-protesters. Then the images would be fed into the FBI face recognition computer. At least 1000 faces for the computer to digest."

In addition to producing a bounty of biometric intelligence for the FBI, the Orlando rally offered a good dry run for a future Homeland Security crack-down. Gletty points out that his FBI handler was "actually pumped up" about the Orlando march, "because the protest would be a great training exercise for the Orlando Police Department, Orange County Sheriff's Department, the FBI, and MBI [the Central Florida Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation] as they would all be in attendance."

As a leader in the white supremacist underground, Gletty held many "surveillance parties" – not only public events, but private functions used to gather intelligence and, where possible, set up various low-level thugs to become informant/provocateurs themselves.

For three years, "Joe and I ... traveled from state to state, rally to rally, and party to party, infiltrating the White Power Movement in America," Gletty recalls. "Thousands of miles, hundreds of photographed faces, and a myriad of tape recordings were contributing to the eradication of racial and religious prejudice in America."

Really? To judge from recent attention earned by the NSM, Gletty's mission was not to help "eradicate" prejudice (as if this could be accomplished through government intervention), but rather to bring the group more completely under the FBI's control.

The NSM is a remnant of George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party (ANP). According to Hate: George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party, the ANP was thoroughly compromised through the FBI's notorious COINTELPRO operation; by the time of his murder in 1967, Rockwell was widely believed to be a "patsy" for the FBI or some other intelligence agency.

One objective of the anti-ANP COINTELPRO operation was to create a rift between Rockwell's Nazi outfit and the United Klans of America. By the late 1970s, the Klan was thoroughly honeycombed with FBI assets. In fact the Bureau boasted that it had enough Klansmen on its payroll in North Carolina to elect that state's Grand Dragon: At one point, 7 of the 8 members of a Charlotte Klan chapter reportedly were FBI assets informing on the klavern's sole non-federal employee.


A sitcom-worthy simulacrum of street-fighting: NSM members square off against the equally ludicrous "Brown Berets de Aztlan" in Riverside, California.

Edward Dawson, an informant/provocateur on the payroll of the Greensboro police department and under the supervision of the FBI, helped orchestrate a November 3, 1979 street clash between white supremacists and Communists that left five people dead. The "White Power" contingent included elements of both the Klan and the American Nazi Party, whose FBI-engineered rift had apparently healed sufficiently to permit joint action.

The National Socialist Movement's current strategy is to provoke tumult and violence, rather than participating in it directly. In recent weeks the group has achieved a relatively high profile by staging anti-immigration rallies in Riverside, California and Phoenix, Arizona.

In California, a small knot of NSM denizens faced off with members of "Los Brown Berets de Aztlan," a foundation-funded militant Chicano group, with riot police clad in body armor on hand to maintain "order." A few weeks later the group inflicted itself on an immigration- reform protest in Arizona during which the group's most visible spokesperson, J.T. Ready, unfurled a portrait of Adolf Hitler.

Ready – a dishonorably discharged ex-Marine – is a pretty good candidate to be the next NSM figure outed as an asset of the Feds. An ambulatory wad of cholesterol and bile, Ready looks like the unfortunate result of a genetic experiment combining the most unpleasant traits of Ernst Roehm and Chris Farley.

While certainly not telegenic, Ready has achieved a certain media prominence as a result of his candor in reciting the Nazi party line.

The sudden prominence of the NSM has been noted – with a detectable hint of gratitude – by left-collectivists eager to shoehorn resistance to the Obama Regime into a pre-determined narrative: Critics of the Blessed One and his administration are animated by concealed bigotry, according to this reading, whether they know it or not, and their rhetoric is creating an "atmosphere" of incipient violence that will engender domestic terrorism.

It should be remembered that the same tropes were put into play early in the last Democratic administration, just before the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing – a terrorist act for which disenchanted former federal employee Timothy McVeigh was executed, but was actually carried out with the help of "others unknown," including several federal assets connected to a bizarre little white supremacist commune known as Elohim City.

The Regime has gone to a great deal of trouble to keep the otherwise moribund White Power movement on life support. It's simply too useful as a political foil – and, occasionally, as an instrument of politically useful violence – for the Regime to let it die.

December 5, 2009

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Witness Testimony Details Hal Turner’s FBI Role
Posted in Neo-Nazi by Sonia Scherr on December 2, 2009

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — With the FBI paying for his plane ticket, white supremacist Hal Turner flew to Brazil on behalf of the National Alliance because a Brazilian had offered to donate money to the neo-Nazi group, a government witness testified today.

As the government began presenting its case during the second day of Turner’s trial, testimony from several FBI agents provided a glimpse into Turner’s former role as a confidential informant known as “Valhalla.” The blogger and Internet radio host is charged with threatening to assault and murder three federal judges in Chicago.

Motivated partly by money, Turner provided intelligence on leaders of prominent white supremacist groups, including the National Alliance and Aryan Nations, according to Special Agent Amy Pickett, who supervised the FBI agent handling Turner during Turner’s first two years as an informant. In one instance, his reports led to the arrest and conviction of an Aryan Nations leader, she said. “His information was always valid and true; he gave very good information,” Pickett said. She did not elaborate on Turner’s excursion to Brazil in early 2005. But according to FBI documents filed in federal court, the trip allowed Turner to identify 12 people of interest to the FBI, including an Arab who talked about doing business with Turner in order to provide supplies to Iraqi insurgents.

Pickett testified that Turner was instructed — both on his first day as an informant and yearly thereafter — that he would not receive immunity from investigation, arrest or prosecution. Turner was not authorized to take part in criminal activity and was warned against doing so, she said. Striking at the heart of the defense’s argument, she said the FBI never asked Turner to engage in violent rhetoric against public officials.

Despite his purported value as an informant, Turner had an on-again, off-again relationship with the FBI. After the February 2005 murder of federal judge Joan Lefkow’s mother and husband at the judge’s home in Chicago, Turner took credit for inciting someone to kill her family and suggested that three other judges could be next. (As it turned out, the slayings were not connected to white supremacy.) When his handler asked Turner to remove a request for the home information of the three judges from his blog, Turner wrote a letter of resignation to the FBI, saying the bureau was using its relationship with him to meddle with his website. His handlers ceased contact with him, but they were sure he’d be back. “We didn’t think he could go that long without being an informant for the FBI,” said Pickett. Sure enough, Turner contacted the bureau and resumed serving as an informant in May 2005.

Turner was also admonished after he linked his blog to the home address of the primary witness at the trial of neo-Nazi leader Matt Hale, who was accused of soliciting the murder of Lefkow during a copyright trial involving his group, the World Church of the Creator. The day of Hale’s 2004 conviction, rival white supremacist Bill White posted what he thought was the home address of Tony Evola, who had served as a confidential informant in the Hale case and subsequently testified as the key witness at Hale’s trial, according to testimony from FBI special agent Sara Lopez. Turner removed the link from his blog at the urging of his FBI handler. (White, who after these events went on to join the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, and later to start his own American National Socialist Workers Party, is to be tried next week on charges of making threats over the Internet in a case that is remarkably similar to Turner’s.)

Turner was cooperative when agents came to his home on June 24 to execute a search warrant — his wife even made coffee that she offered the visitors — and sat down at his dining room table to talk about the posts he’d made earlier that month saying the judges “deserve to be killed.” “He said he intended no harm to anyone,” FBI Special Agent Mark Wallschlaeger testified. “He said he understood he’d be culpable if anyone hurt the judges based on his blog.”

As prosecutors worked to show that the government did not sanction Turner’s hateful posts, a New Jersey mayor was demanding that the FBI reimburse his city $80,000 to cover the cost of police overtime and other expenses associated with Turner’s November 2005 rally in Kingston, N.Y. Mayor James Sottile told The Daily Freeman that he decided to make the request after reading that Turner was serving as an FBI informant when the rally took place. “I think the FBI needs to be held accountable,” Sottile said. The FBI said it had not yet received the request.

The government will continue presenting evidence tomorrow.
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Chris said,

on December 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm

I don’t feel bad for this guy. Not one bit. Him,Matt Hale and the rest of these hate-mongers. David Lane,I’m glad he died in the joint all alone. How could you hate someone because of the color of their skin? That is irrational. And people like “Hal from Jersey” and Matt Hale and Metzger they get others to do their dirty work. But at least Metzger is smart enough to keep just enough distance so as not to get arrested. It’s sad that there are several thousand kids out here who are going to get poisoned with this so-called “war”. RaHoWa? Please. If it hasn’t happend yet,it’s NOT. But sadly the cautionary tales of Hale and Turner and Lane and Matthews,etc do NOTHING to curtail the hate. I mean it starts out as something of a hobby. Yeah get a blog and post what you hate about another group of people you don’t know. Fine. It’s a free country. Blow off steam. But when it starts to get out of hand and people start taking ACTION and commit acts of violence and murder,it’s not a game anymore. . Hope it was worth it for your “race” Hale and Turner. I’m free living my life while people like you guys are eating nasty prison food and taking showers with 50 other smelly men. Lol! I’m GLAD and I hope they grab more of you so the rest of us RATIONAL folks can have some PEACE. And before anybody starts talking about why am I not naming any Black racists let me throw in the 5%ers and the Black Hebrew Israelites. And yes I am Black and I don’t like RACISTS. So let me also toss in La Voz de Aztlan and any other TRULY racist organizations.
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Bonnie Calcagno said,

on December 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm

Senator Feingold who held hearings to Restore the Rule of Law has called for a review of domestic intelligence activities and authorities. This is one more instance of what the FBI is doing. The Attorney General under Bush rescinded anti-COINTELPRO regulations. Bush himself through executive order put threw a massive classified surveillance operation. We are in a time when COINTELPRO is using organized gang stalking tactics in a psychological war on the same old targets as the COINTELPRO program of the 70’s and 80’s and nobody is making a peep (except Senator Feingold with his Report Card on the Obama Administrations policies) about this. George Bush and Cheney with their gag orders and state’s secret doctrine have put in place a Nazis-like surveillance operation that uses Citizen Stalkers and they have gotten away with it.
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j k miler said,

on December 3rd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

This accounting of events reads like someone’s
nightmare. And whomever ‘ Brazilian ‘ , shame, shame.
It’s obvious to me when i read of ”really dumb” human
behaviors, OBVIOUS as to why most countries are suffering
with financial and violence problems. Self-interest and
selfishness are two separate personaltiy traits. FBI,,,,
keep it up, just watch the ‘bank’

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/1...ners-fbi-role/
 
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Jury deadlocked in case of North Bergen shock jock Hal Turner
Friday, December 4, 2009

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Hal Turner, second from left, arrives at Brooklyn Federal Court Friday morning for possible closing arguments.

BY MIKE KELLY

BROOKLYN, N.Y. — Jurors in the trial of hate radio shock jock and former FBI informant Hal Turner of North Bergen were sent home Friday night after announcing they were “hopelessly deadlocked.”

U.S. District Court Judge Donald Walter ordered the jury to return Monday morning to resume deliberations on whether Turner, 47, broke the law against threatening judges when he wrote on his blog last June that three federal appeals court judges “deserved to be killed” for ruling in favor of a gun control ordinance.

If convicted, Turner, who built an audience in recent years of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with his extreme right-wing radio and blog tirades, could be sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The central issue in the case is whether Turner’s words alone constitute an illegal threat.

Prosecutors contend that Turner’s words were aimed to “impede,” “intimidate” and “retaliate” against the federal judges – all elements of a threat, they say. But Turner’s defense lawyers say Turner’s statement on his blog was merely his opinion as a shock jock and therefore protected as free speech under the First Amendment.

After initially deliberating only about two hours after lunch, the jury sent a note to Judge Walter at 3:20 p.m., saying that they were unable to reach a verdict – and probably would not be able to.

“We are hopelessly deadlocked,” Judge Walter said, reading the jury’s note on yellow legal paper. “Time will not change our vote.”

Walter summoned the jury into the courtroom and urged them to continue discussing the evidence.

“This is an important case,” Walter told the jurors. “This trial has been expensive in time and money.”

After another 90 minutes, Walter asked the jury if they wanted to continue deliberations later into the night. Jurors told the judge they wanted to go home and return on Monday.

But before they left, one juror wrote a note to the judge with a question about the central question of the case: whether Turner’s statement was a threat.

“If a man makes a verbal statement, I feel that’s opinion,” the juror wrote. “If it is put in writing and is public information, written, is he responsible?”

Sitting on the bench and asking defense and prosecution lawyers for advice, Walter sent back this response: “There is no legal distinction between oral and written.”

Moments later, the jury went home for the weekend.

Before his arrest last June, Turner worked from 2003 to 2007 as an FBI informant, gathering intelligence on the extremist groups who were attracted to his radio and blog. After the FBI canceled his informant’s status in August 2007, Turner remained in contact with the bureau passing on tips on various ultra-right-wing extremist groups.

Turner’s work as an FBI informant was the subject of an investigative report in last Sunday’s Record.

The trial, which was supposed to last as much as seven days, ended Thursday after less than two days of testimony.

On Friday morning, prosecution and defense attorneys presented final arguments to the jury of five white men, two white women, two black women, two Latino women and one Asian man.

In much the same style as their opening arguments, both sides portrayed Turner in decidedly opposite ways.

Assistant U.S. Attorney William Ridgeway said Turner’s blog posting that the federal appeals judges “deserved to be killed” was “undoubtedly a serious expression to inflict injury.”

Defense lawyer Nishay Sanan countered by comparing Turner to such shock jocks as Howard Stern and Don Imus.

“Giving your opinion is not a crime,” said Sanan of Turner’s blog posting that the judges “deserved to be killed.”

Besides free speech advocates, the trial is being watched closely by terrorism experts. Beginning in 2003, Turner worked secretly with FBI counter-terror agents in monitoring neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other extremists in America.

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[huffington post, comments thru link at bottom]

Hal Turner, Blogger Accused Of Making Death Threats Against Judges, Was FBI Informant

11/29/09 06:32 PM | AP

TRENTON, N.J. — A New Jersey blogger about to stand trial on charges he made death threats against federal judges apparently was paid by the FBI in its battle against domestic terrorism, according to a published report.

The Record of Bergen County reported Sunday that Hal Turner received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on neo-Nazis and white supremacist groups and was sent undercover to Brazil.

Turner also claims the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements on his radio show, but the newspaper also found many federal officials were concerned that his audience might follow up on his violence rhetoric.

The newspaper reviewed numerous government documents, e-mails, court records and almost 20 hours of jailhouse interviews with Turner.

He goes on trial Tuesday in New York, accused of making death threats against three Chicago-based federal appeals judges after saying in Internet postings in June the judges "deserve to be killed" because they had refused to overturn handgun bans in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.

The postings included the photos and work addresses of the judges – Richard Posner, Frank Easterbrook, and William Bauer – along with a picture of the Dirksen Federal Courthouse in downtown Chicago and notations indicating the placement of "anti-truck bomb barriers."

Turner's FBI connections began in 2003 with the Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force and continued on and off until this year, according to the newspaper. He claims his postings and other inflammatory statements were part of an undercover operation to ferret out violent left-wing radicals.

His lawyer, Michael Orozco, has subpoenaed Chris Christie, the former U.S. Attorney for New Jersey and the state's governor-elect, to testify on Turner's behalf.
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In an affidavit filed with the subpoena, Orozco says Christie knew of Turner's activities between 2002 and 2008 while Christie held his federal post. Orozco says Christie issued a letter saying he would not prosecute Turner for his statements.

It was not known whether Christie would be called to testify.

He said last week that he had not yet seen the subpoena, but said "any advice I gave as U.S. attorney regarding prosecutions is something I am not going to talk about publicly."

Federal prosecutors and FBI officials declined comment on Turner's claims.

"We do not comment on matters before the courts, and will not address Mr. Turner's allegations in the press," said Weysan Dun, who runs the FBI's Newark field office.

Turner said he feels double-crossed by the bureau after his June arrest.

But other documents show federal agents growing more anxious about his extremist views while valuing his ties to right-wing hate groups, the newspaper said. It noted one memo that stated Turner "has proven highly reliable and is in a unique position to provide vital information on multiple subversive domestic organizations."

In a separate case, Turner was charged with "inciting injury to persons" for urging blog readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers who proposed legislation to give Roman Catholic lay members more control over parish finances.

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What is strange is that just 10 or 15 years ago, Dr. Pierce used to opine about then President Bill Clinton in similar ways. "Clinton deserves to be ..." because of his "treason" and so forth. Pierce must have opined in that manner dozens of times in his past broadcasts and if you look hard enough at those broadcast on-line, you probably can still find them.

What's the deal with that? Have the laws changed that much in the past 10 or 15 years. And what was the purpose of expressing such opinions?

Also, don't neo-con talk radio hosts say that people who doubt the government's position on 9-11 "deserve to be killed." Is that an opinion or a threat?
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Saying that someone deserves to die is different than calling upon your minions to kill them. The former is an opinion....the latter is an invitation.

Example:

"Hal Turner deserves to die slowly...locked alone in a cage while a large hungry rat slowly feeds off his fat body."

...or...

"Hal Turner deserves to be hung by his neck until dead from the tallest flagpole in town as an example to what happens to informants."

In these two statements, I'm merely expressing my feelings and opinion. I'm certainly not asking anyone to do these horrible things and am much too civilized myself to even wish them upon him.
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In all honesty, what Hal Turner deserves is a nice long prison sentence, during which, gangs of gigantic buck niggers line up to execute the gay butt train on doughboy's plump-and-juicy, traitor-ass.

This is what I hope happens to Hal "they throw money at this stuff" Turner.
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This is what I hope happens to Hal "they throw money at this stuff" Turner.

It makes you wonder where the $100 Turner donated to the Chester Doles Truck Fund came from.

The Feds probably helped us help Chester get a truck.
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It makes you wonder where the $100 Turner donated to the Chester Doles Truck Fund came from.

The Feds probably helped us help Chester get a truck.
How many thousands of dollars did people here donate to Turner? More like it was the money donated from people here that Hal returned a portion of before buying his expensive cigars.
 
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How many thousands of dollars did people here donate to Turner? More like it was the money donated from people here that Hal returned a portion of before buying his expensive cigars.

I honestly don't see Turner willingly parting with a c-note without specific instructions to do so.
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Terrible Tommy remarked years ago that Turner had a big mouth and it was likely to get himself into trouble. TT had kinda seen the then-retreating limits of free speech years ago with his Portland trial, where he was found liable in a civil lawsuit for expressing an opinion on an event which occurred in Oregon while he was not even living in that state.

How right Tommy was! The most visible agents will have the biggest mouths and be the biggest encouragers.

The real action on the street will instead be done by one or maybe two people or so, and it will be of such a nature that both before and afterwards, the participants will be able to blend into the crowd, not draw a lot of attention to themselves and generally not stick out like a sore thumb. The action will be direct and will never be spoken of after the fact. Modern revolutionaries will be seen in business suit and not a brownshirt, and they most certainly won't carry on blabbing and yapping like the Hal Turner's of the world.

As soon as the TV goes off for the last time, and the beer in the fridge is all gone, I have a funny feeling that ZOG will have more than a little bit of trouble on their hands fending off the righteous wrath of the populace they have so frequently and severely betrayed.
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Did anyone listen to the Hal Turner show, where the old grandmother (I think 'grandmother elizabeth' was her name) called in, and would say she just sent her entire disability check to Hal? Man, what a shithead Hal was.. I guess he didn't feel any guilt when he took that to the bank
 
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Did anyone listen to the Hal Turner show, where the old grandmother (I think 'grandmother elizabeth' was her name) called in, and would say she just sent her entire disability check to Hal? Man, what a shithead Hal was.. I guess he didn't feel any guilt when he took that to the bank
The dude was/is a classic con artist. Pulling off the WNist con is always inherently risky, though.

If he was smart, he could have made some serious bank focusing exclusively on patriotard issues.

Or UFOs.

Lots of money in UFOs.
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Did anyone listen to the Hal Turner show, where the old grandmother (I think 'grandmother elizabeth' was her name) called in, and would say she just sent her entire disability check to Hal? Man, what a shithead Hal was.. I guess he didn't feel any guilt when he took that to the bank
Grandmother Elizabeth, in her 70's, would sign over her SSI check to Hal Turner and encourage other listeners to give money. Her husband Artie Wheeler, also a HT supporter, was arrested a few years back for having a weapons cache and "conspiracy to start a race war" or some nonsense like that. Reportedly, Turner was the only other person who knew of the Wheeler's weapons cache.

I would be very interested to hear the Wheelers' take on this matter.

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He was the NA member whose house got raided for weapons, after a visit
by Hal Turner months earlier. Hal Turner is the only person besides
Artie and his wife who had knowledge of the weapons that Artie had.

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Hal Turner - known informant and scam artist with close ties to Jews,
including being a campaign manager of a Jew who ran for Governor of
New Jersey, Murray Sabrin. He became an informant in 2002 when he was
offered a deal, go to prison for solictation of murder of Magube in
africa or hand over the names, addresses, credit card numbers of his
callers and donors. Hal chose the latter, to hand over personal
information to keep out of prison. His latest victim is an old man
from Baltimore, Lovelle "artie" Wheeler, who was Turner's biggest
supporter along with his wife "Elizabeth" that Hal sang like a bird to
the feds when Artie bragged about his illegal arms factory in the
basement of his house. Hal was the only person besides Artie and
Elizabeth who had seen the weapons. Hal Turner informed the FBI right
after he picked up Elizabeth to a DC rally.
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So what does everyone think? Turner get convicted or no?
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Artie Wheeler, arrested by a SWAT unit from the baltimore Police on July 1, has been released from jail after 110 days, held without bail on three MISDEMEANOR charges.

Artie and his wife, Grandmother Elizabeth, will be on The Hal Turner Show tonight at 9:00 EST at www.HalTurnerShow.com

Artie will take your calls! To get on the air, dial TOLL FREE in the US and CANADA 1-800-TALK 419 (1-800-825-5419)
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Grandmother Elizabeth, in her 70's, would sign over her SSI check to Hal Turner and encourage other listeners to give money. Her husband Artie Wheeler, also a HT supporter, was arrested a few years back for having a weapons cache and "conspiracy to start a race war" or some nonsense like that. Reportedly, Turner was the only other person who knew of the Wheeler's weapons cache.
Jeezus, robbing little old ladies SSI checks. And then possibly ratting out her husband to the feds cuz he owned some guns. If I think real hard I can come up with something lower than this but at the moment I'm drawing a blank.


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So what does everyone think? Turner get convicted or no?
According to the article the jury is hopelessly deadlocked. Halvin will probably walk. The feds could of course attempted to retry him but don't bet on it. They have enough egg on their face over this little fracas as it is. I think Turner will get off with nothing more than a large attorney bill.
 
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I think Turner will get off with nothing more than a large attorney bill.

I hope so.

Not for the sake of Turner, who is an opportunistic scumbag, but for what is left of the concept of free speech in the 'Kwa.
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