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Letter to Edgar J. Steele, 15 July 2010
Edgar J. Steele suffered a severe cardiac trauma in late 2009. In early 2010 he was charged with attempting to hire somebody to kill his wife and mother-in-law. The key evidence against Steele was an audio recording made by the FBI.
Steele claimed that the recording was a fraud, and that he was being framed in a "Mission Impossible, world-class operation." That is an extraordinary claim and I did not believe it. Neither did Jim Giles, who had a daily internet talkshow at the time. Giles and I collaborated last summer in studying the Steele case. Giles conducted interviews and I wrote up the results and did research and made suggestions. There were essentially two different, mutually exclusive approaches to the case. The first approach was to take Steele seriously. If Steele really was being framed with a fraudulent recording then he would need a forensic audio expert to demonstrate that it was a fraud. Giles interviewed two top forensic audio experts; the name and contact information for the more experienced of the two was given to Steele in the letter below. The second approach to the case was to try to explain why Steele would have done that of which he was accused. I discovered that after serious heart traumas and surgery, people are often not in their right minds, sometimes for a long time. Giles interviewed a forensic psychiatrist who said that an adverse effect on Steele's mind and disposition as a result of the trauma was entirely possible. Since Steele had done a number of things that suggested that he was not thinking clearly, I strongly favored this explanation, and a suggestion relating to it was included in this letter to Steele. Jim Giles asked me to write this letter to Edgar J. Steele for him. Essentially it tells Ed Steele how he should pursue his frame-up defense if it is true (which, believe it or not, nobody else was discussing at the time, since they were preoccupied with squawking like Chicken Little that he was being railroaded and had no chance), and gently suggests that he should pursue a psychiatric defense instead if the "Mission Impossible" story is not true. Jim Giles On May 5, 2011 Ed Steele was found guilty after a very short trial, where the defense really had no argument, since their forensic audio expert Dr. George Papcun essentially found nothing suspect about the FBI's recording. I am hoping that the sentencing will reflect some awareness that Ed Steele is not of sound mind, and I hope that on appeal he will use a psychiatric defense. I hope that some rational person will get to Steele and advise him to do that, and that his family and his friends will allow him to do that instead of continuing to insist that he was framed.
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Speaking of the FBI, they just finished another sting operation recently in fact, so I guess if you don't want to be next on the list (like Ed mentioned) best keep a very low profile , (unless your name is Don). This time the patsies were a couple sand niggers refugees that they let in the US awhile back. But WN's or Muslims , they are all insurgents in the eyes of ZOG. Quote:
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You never did explain any of the things that Steele did. How about selling 3,000 ounces of silver a year ago when it was under $18 per ounce? It is well over $36 now. How about writing his Ukrainian girlfriend who doesn't speak English at least two love letters from jail? Inquiring minds want to know. It about time for you to be tarded. |
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It unfortunately did no good to send this letter to Steele. He probably does not have the remaining required mental function to realize what has happened to him. As you say, it is time for those around him to recognize the 800 pound gorilla in the living room. An insanity defense is both correct and the ONLY possible defense. I say again that there is no shame in this but there is shame in those who continue to lead Steele down the road to ruin. |
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I have seen it claimed over and over that there were precedents for the kind of frame-up that Steele claimed last year, but I have never seen an example that really seemed comparable upon close examination. There have been several unjustified accusations relating to conspiracy to commit terrorism since 9-11. You can tell that they are ridiculous accusations because of the lack of real evidence. These things tend to end up getting ridiculed in an Adam Curtis documentary or something like that. These unjustified arrests are not frame-ups: rather they are instances of mass-hysteria and an over-hasty lynch-mob mentality influencing the operations of the government. White people also have been victims of such instances of hysteria, for example in the Fort Smith Sedition Trial that was part of the hysterical reaction to the activities of Robert Mathews et al. People in the government were afraid that the Order might be the tip of the iceberg of a much larger conspiracy, and they managed to find one crazy guy, Jim Ellison, who was willing to confirm their fears with verbal testimony. When Ellison's testimony was shown to have no credibility the whole conspiracy-to-commit-sedition case fell apart. That's a far cry from a "Mission Impossible" frame-up. Usually when the government does something that skews a criminal case it's something simple, not something on the order of "Mission Impossible." There was a Black Panther in the early 70s that was convicted because the FBI withheld something. Likewise in the Demjanjuk case the FBI's finding that the documentation given by the Soviets was dubious was also withheld. The DEA submitted as evidence a video of John Delorean that had a segment cut out, but that was easily demonstrated in court, for one thing because there was a clock in the background. (Edited audio and video is not supposed to be allowed as evidence.) It's all some form of withholding information. None of this is "Mission Impossible." You people have overactive imaginations.
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Somebody that is a real-life friend of his needs to reassure him that his friends and family would forgive him for losing his mind after the operation.
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Hadding has a plausible take on the Steele case (that Steele is likely guilty, and Steele should have based his defense on a sort of limited capacity or temporary insanity plea).
The first problem I have with that is that the stakes are high, and his plausible scenario could be wrong. The second problem I have with it has been borne out by the sentencing. Fairfax got 18 months (I think) for actually putting a bomb on a car. Steele got 30 years (I think) for conspiracy. No one can tell me that the DOJ and FBI have justice in mind, or that Steele could have gotten a fair trial. I will not feed the machine by speculating that he is guilty, even if I thought he had tried to kill his wife. I will not line up on the side of the government in opposition against an enemy, much less a friend. If you sup with the devil you had better bring a long spoon. Incidentally, I think that your sending the letter to Steele with advice for his defense was a noble act, and that your posting it here was self serving.
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I understand this attitude that by forming some kind of mentally rigid phalanx of opinion (sort of like a nigger mob) the facts of Steele's case could somehow be be made irrelevant, but it really doesn't help Steele at all. It just tends to keep Steele locked into a defense that ain't gonna fly. Turn on your brain and figure it out. Papcun didn't find anything "suspicious" about the FBI's recording. It means that the Mission Impossible argument has absolutely no evidence behind it except the claims of an accused man, who was no doubt very frightened and ashamed. The psychiatric defense is the only possible defense for Steele that would have any credibility.
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Hadding did the right thing by posting the letter to Steele. He is doing more to save Steele than the later's entire cheering section screaming out "He was framed.". An insanity defense can get Steele immediately out of jail and released to Cyndi's custody. A first year student shrink could prove him insane. All of this can be correctly blamed on his surgery. BTW, if Cyndi becomes his guardian, I don't want her to complain about what she gets as a part of the deal. If Steele is proved insane, this immediately invalidates his signing over power of attorney to Cyndi. This is just like an insane person making a will. |
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I would rather eat scraps with the devils of WN than feast at the table of the Jews.
I have never taken a strong stand in the Steele case, other than to say that WNs who cannot support him should not help the government put him away. If you want to come out publicly and say that a WN is likely guilty, even before the trial takes place, you will do it without my help or support of any kind. I know that you have made a case that if WNism rejects "failed leaders" (which is how Giles put it) like Steele then we will be stronger in the future. But that cannot be done in this manner; publicly siding with the prosecution. I am for supporting effective leaders, new or old. The expert said the recordings are not falsified? If the FBI said that the sky was blue I would demand proof. They have the resources to produce convincing fakes. I will never trust them. This case has elements of a framing. If you or I had put a bomb on a car and got caught either of us would likely die in federal prison. Let me ask you Hadding. Does the federal government ever frame people? Do they ever engage in selective prosecution? Do they ever murder prisoners in custody? Do they ever lie to the public?
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I have already stated that the government, or somebody in the government, e.g. J. Edgar Hoover, has at times framed people (although I think that a more frequent problem is overzealousness and recklessness by employees of the government rather than outright framing). But I know of no instance where the frame-up was so elaborate as what Steele was claiming.
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Some loyalty. Yeah, yeah, we know, what you say is identical to the truth, thus anyone who argues against you is a liar on the side of the devil. Or maybe you're just a contrarian dweeb who will take any opportunity to side with the minority. Your personal, private, unfounded opinion that Steele has deteriorated mentally has hardened into an absolute truth. Yet, I say again, and will keep saying, you have not a single shred of evidence showing any deterioration whatsoever. You are treating gross speculation as though it's proven fact. And in doing so, you are siding with our enemy. All out of petty ego and vanity. Really, if you had the slightest sense of absurdity, Hadding, you wouldn't use Jim Giles and sanity in the same sentence without laughing out loud. Jim Giles in one day has shown more emotional lack of control and mental instability than Ed Steele in his entire life. Steele's wife is behind him. As are his children. Those are the best single indicators to look to. Steele has no history of lying and scheming and framing people - his accusers do. The simplest, likeliest conclusion is that the ADL and FBI conspired to set up Edgar Steele. |
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Steele Cheer Leading Squad
The Steele Cheer Leading Squad has done more to put him in prison for life than the entire staff of the U.S. Attorney. They squandered $108,000 that would be really handy to get his head properly examined now.
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To me, there was a very small chance that Steele's conspiracy frame-up story could be true: if Dr. George Papcun had said that the recording was falsified, I would have believed it. I would have said, Wow, this is amazing! I guess Steele was framed! Since Papcun didn't say that, Steele's conspiracy frame-up argument is dead as can be. But you guys still persist. I don't think I am going to say anything else about this here. It's a huge waste of time, and really everything that needs to be said has been said.
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Again, who has the history of lying and framing? Ed Steele? Where has he ever done this before, give me one instance? Whereas the government has lied and smeared and framed, in conjunction with the ADL jews and the jews in the mass media, literally thousands of times. As long as his wife and kids believe him, and there's no serious evidence not to, I'm on Steele's side. Who knows more about this case than Cyndi Steele? And what does she say? She says EDGAR STEELE IS THE VICTIM HERE. HE'S BEING FRAMED BECAUSE OF HIS PRO-WHITE POLITICS. And we have his friends chiming in helpfully by calling Steele not only guilty but mentally deranged. Some friends you are. Some loyalty you exhibit. |
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You and Hadding are the only creatures on god's green earth asserting Steele has diminished mental capacity. Your reading of the letter he sent you does not sustain that interpretation, and that you think it does tells me more about your own mental state, were I inclined to speculate. |
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