Edgar Steele

[Bob Magnuson]

This message is mainly for Steele supporters.

The #1 most effective manner of dealing with DEP is to leave this thread, not check in, not respond to him in any way, whatsoever, absolutely.

We observe from DEP's behavior and output:

A) as people need oxygen, he needs attention, the more negative, the better,
B) his main function is to misdirect, mislead, buffalo, confuse, manipulate others,
C) because he receives endless gratification from his activity, it will not stop even if surrounded by those who agree,
D) there are serious questions about WHY DEP behaves as he does here.

It's been great not having to check here multiple times per day, and then have to spend long stretches addressing his opinion presented as fact.

I gots no more to say; best to those who see with their own eyes, make up their own minds, and act in a typically adult, somewhat 'normal' fashion.

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by Bob Magnuson

This message is mainly for Steele supporters.

The #1 most effective manner of dealing with DEP is to leave this thread, not check in, not respond to him in any way, whatsoever, absolutely.

We observe from DEP's behavior and output:

A) as people need oxygen, he needs attention, the more negative, the better,
B) his main function is to misdirect, mislead, buffalo, confuse, manipulate others,
C) because he receives endless gratification from his activity, it will not stop even if surrounded by those who agree,
D) there are serious questions about WHY DEP behaves as he does here.

It's been great not having to check here multiple times per day, and then have to spend long stretches addressing his opinion presented as fact.

I gots no more to say; best to those who see with their own eyes, make up their own minds, and act in a typically adult, somewhat 'normal' fashion.

I put you in for a raise with Cyndi. Did you get it? I also told her that we want to hire you as our webmaster at www.steelewentcrazy.org . You will be able to work right out of your house. You won't have to drive back and forth from Spokane to Coure d' Alene to attend silly meetings.

We will pick up your cell phone tab and internet access as well as cut you in on some of the loot. You will have to get a bit more artistic since we have higher website standards. You also will be provided with certain badly needed pointers on propaganda.

[Donald E. Pauly]

I hope that Bob Magnuson has not stormed off in a huff. He didn't say whether he is going to refund the $200 that the Steele camp swindled April Gaede out of. April would no doubt want to donate that money to www.steelewentcrazy.org .

I have a capital idea to spruce up his website. Put a refund button on it. I say that it would go viral.

[Donald E. Pauly]

The gloves are coming off. Check out our new home page at www.steelewentcrazy.org . To see the new page you may need to hit F5 to refresh your cache.

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by Bev

OK - I give in. You win. You're right. He's a can short of a six-pack and his wife's just as nutty for not seeing this abrupt change in her husband. Good luck in your quest in getting him declared insane as a result of a heart operation.

Can you build the bridge on the swampland in Florida that I'm selling andy?

Bev is changing her tune a bit. She had it right the first time back in January. Since then a lot more evidence has piled up that Steele went crazy. Since Bev has not read this thread, I repost the story about her countryman turning queer after an unfortunate accident. Hadding originally found this story in her local fish wrap. .

This rugby player became queer and turned into a hair dresser after an unfortunate accident triggered a stroke. Most of the neo-queer's personality remained the same. A somewhat similar thing happened in Steele's case. His surgery was hundreds of times more likely to cause severe brain damage than this freak accident. This poor queer is not to blame in any way for becoming queer. Steele is not to blame in any way for going crazy and trying to blow his wife up with a pipe bomb. Stone is Brit speak for a unit of mass equal to 14 pounds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz20X9488ye

Burly rugby player has a stroke after freak gym accident… wakes up gay and becomes a hairdresser

Chris Birch loses eight stone and transforms himself from skinhead to 'preened man'

Gives up job in bank and retrains as a hairdresser
By LUKE SALKELD
UPDATED: 07:30 EST, 9 November 2011

When 19-stone rugby player Chris Birch suffered a stroke during a freak training accident, his family feared it would be a life-changing injury. Yet while his recovery certainly brought about a transformation, it seems to have been in a way no one could have expected. For when he regained consciousness, the 26-year-old – who was engaged to his girlfriend – claimed he had become gay.



New life: Chris now works as a hairdresser and lives above the shop with his boyfriend

Mr Birch’s astonishing change saw him break up with his fiancée, ditch his job in a bank to retrain as a hairdresser and lose eight stone in weight. He has now moved in with his 19-year-old boyfriend. The now ex-rugby player, a flanker with his local amateur reserve side, had been attempting a back flip in front of friends on a field when he fell down a grass bank, breaking his neck and suffering the stroke.

He was taken to hospital where his fiancée and family spent days waiting anxiously at his bedside before he delivered the shocking news. Mr Birch recalled: ‘I was gay when I woke up and I still am. It sounds strange but when I came round I immediately felt different. ‘I wasn’t interested in women any more. I was definitely gay. I had never been attracted to a man before – I’d never even had any gay friends. ‘But I didn’t care about who I was before, I had to be true to my feelings.’

Before the accident Mr Birch, of Ystrad Mynach, South Wales, had spent his weekends watching sport and drinking with his mates. But he said: ‘Suddenly, I hated everything about my old life. I didn’t get on with my friends, I hated sport and found my job boring. ‘I started to take more pride in my appearance, bleached my hair and started working out. I went from a 19-stone skinhead to an 11-stone preened man. ‘People I used to know barely recognised me and with my new look I became even more confident.’

Mr Birch sought advice from his neurologist and was told it could all be down to the stroke opening up a different part of his brain. Two years ago it was reported that Alan Brown, from Malvern, Worcestershire, woke from a stroke to find he was able to paint and draw in incredible detail, despite no previous evidence of the skill. The father of three said the experience must have ‘flicked a switch’ in the creative part of his brain. And Mr Birch certainly has no regrets about his transformation. ‘I’m nothing like the old Chris now but I wouldn’t change a thing,’ he said.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

Bev is changing her tune a bit. She had it right the first time back in January.

....and then she read the thread and examined the evidence.

Since then a lot more evidence has piled up that Steele went crazy.

Excellent! When will you be sharing it?

Since Bev has not read this thread,

No, she hasn't read the thread at all. It's pure coincidence that she drops in every now and then and, by some freak stroke of luck, manages to make posts that are germane to the one she's quoting.

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by Bev

....and then she read the thread and examined the evidence.

Excellent! When will you be sharing it?

No, she hasn't read the thread at all. It's pure coincidence that she drops in every now and then and, by some freak stroke of luck, manages to make posts that are germane to the one she's quoting.

Bev is good at shooting from hip. Here is a quote for her by Wyatt Earp, of Blessed memory.

"It's not the draw, its the drop that counts."

Translated into Brit Speak for her convenience, this means that shooting first doesn't count for anything unless you hit something. Bev has already demonstrated that she has not studied the thread twice and has expressed no interest in reading the transcripts.

Here is some advice for her from an old Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant.

No matter where you go, there's always more air than meat.

[Leonard Rouse]

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

Bev has already demonstrated that she has not studied the thread twice and has expressed no interest in reading the transcripts.

She has expressed and demonstrated precisely the opposite of all of that garbage, multiple times.

Why do you 'debate' like a kike?

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

She has expressed and demonstrated precisely the opposite of all of that garbage, multiple times.

Why do you 'debate' like a kike?

I am about to bust you back down to Jew Lover from UnterWhigger. Stick to the facts like I do. You haven't read EITHER the thread OR the transcript. You also distort my view on Cyndi. She is the partner with the Federal government in putting husband in prison for life. She does so for financial gain and to be rid of her pesky crazy husband. The fact that her webmaster revealed that the family had refused to release their expenditures on this case proves this beyond a doubt. What are they hiding?

If we can get Steele released to a mental institution, White Nationalism is off the hook. We might even get his head fixed. We now have three convicted pipe bombers in Federal prison. Two of them were frequent VNN posters. If Steele is proved crazy we are not responsible for his actions. We will never get back the over $120,000 which we were swindled out of by Cyndi and her gang. But we might be lucky enough to get back some of our reputation. That $120,000 would have bought Mr Linder a small Television Studio to make hate videos.

Cyndi's swindling is small change compared to the false fear that she spread of innocent White Nationalists being framed. Of course Steele is crazy and cannot be blamed. She knows better. Fear of being framed keeps MANY White Nationalists in the closet and hurts our cause more than anything else. Fear of being associated with pipe bombers scares off new recruits.

[Angel Ramsey]

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

She has expressed and demonstrated precisely the opposite of all of that garbage, multiple times.

Why do you 'debate' like a kike?

Did you just call him a "kike"? And don't give me that bullshit..."I said LIKE a kike". Your playing word games.

[Donald E. Pauly]

For those who don't know how easy it is to produce brain damage from an induced stroke, here is the story of Siefried and Roy. They are German immigrants and had a famous White tiger act here in Las Vegas. I talked to someone who was in the audience. He told me that he could hear that tiger growling for a long time and trying to tell Roy something. Roy didn't listen and the tiger grabbed him by the throat and carried him offstage like a rag doll (gollywog to Bev).

Damage to Roy's carotid artery by the tiger's teeth caused blood clots which traveled to his brain and caused strokes. Anti-coagulants are useless when the clots totally obstruct arteries. This was likely the case for Steele as well. Note that Roy can hardly walk, has difficulty speaking and other mental impairment. Brain damage in case of a stroke is luck of the draw.

The original story was too long to post here and I retained the parts relevant to the medical effects of the attack. Note that the stories are in reverse order. Read the entire story at the link.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/146927...k-in-las-vegas

Roy Horn Is Back in Las Vegas


Roy Horn with tiger cub

(Mar. 2) -- There is some encouraging news about illusionist Roy Horn. Nearly five months after being attacked by a tiger on stage at the Mirage, Eyewitness News has learned Roy Horn is making progress.

His camp, however, is distancing itself from reports out of Germany on Monday. Those reports claim the entertainer is walking with the help of a rolling walker. A spokesman told Eyewitness News that any speculation on Roy's recovery is premature. But he is making great progress and everyone close to him is optimistic about the future.

(Dec. 10) -- Roy was of course injured in early October after being bitten by a tiger during his show at The Mirage. He suffered a stroke and severe blood loss and is said to still be in serious condition. Siegfried also told Penn Jillette that a small hospital room is being constructed at the Jungle Palace, which is Roy's Las Vegas home and that the injured entertainer is expected here on Dec. 22.

(Dec. 1) -- New hints were revealed on Monday that illusionist Roy Horn could be spending Christmas at home. Horn's partner Siegfried Fischbacher told the Today Show he expects Roy to spend Christmas here in Las Vegas. Siegfried says Horn's recovery is improving little by little and he is now speaking a few words at a time. He also says Horn has been off the respirator for 2 weeks. Horn is still being treated at the UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles

(Nov. 20) -- There's a new update on entertainer Roy Horn who was critically injured by a tiger 7 weeks ago. Roy's manager, Bernie Yuman spoke to Eyewitness News during a special event Thursday night at the Siegfried & Roy Theater at The Mirage. Rock for the Cure was a fundraiser for the non-profit Nevada Cancer Institute, featuring the Eagles.

Yuman said that in addition to communicating through writing -- and making steady progress -- Roy is also preparing to return to Las Vegas. "When I left him Wednesday morning at the UCLA Medical Center, he asked that we tell all of the people of Las Vegas that he's looking forward -- God willing -- to come home before Christmas and that's a great thing," Yuman said.

(Nov. 10) --It seems more and more rumors are circulating about Roy Horn's condition and the severity of his injuries following the tiger bite last month. The headline on the cover of this week's National Enquirer says "Roy is Dying."

The tabloid says Horn, who was moved to UCLA Medical Center recently, is in dire straits. That he is paralyzed, in a coma, and on a ventilator. It also claims Roy has suffered another stroke and that his partner Siegfried is keeping a bedside vigil.

However, Roy's representatives told Eyewitness News Monday that the entertainer's family is not commenting on the care or treatment or specifics of Roy's injuries. Also, they said they would not dignify the Enquirer story, or any other unfounded rumors or speculation, with a response. As for that bedside vigil Siegfried is allegedly keeping in Los Angeles -- Siegfried has indeed returned to Las Vegas.

(Oct. 28) -- Tuesday Afternoon -- Eyewitness News has learned that Roy Horn has been moved to a California hospital facility for treatment. He was moved from UMC Tuesday.

(Oct. 27) -- Seigfried has returned to Las Vegas. Roy remains in critical condition at UMC.

(Oct. 20) -- Two and a half weeks after a tiger bit him during a performance, Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy remains in critical but stable condition.

Well-wishers, supporters, and friends of Roy held a third Sunday night candlelight vigil at University Medical Center. Another vigil is planned for next Sunday, Oct. 26.

Roy was on the minds of many other locals who said he helped make Las Vegas the entertainment capitol at the Old Time Reunion at the Stardust Sunday night. The event was dedicated to entertainers who pioneered magic in Las Vegas.

(Oct. 17) -- Roy Horn is recovering at Univeristy Medical Center. It's been 2 weeks since he was bitten and dragged across the stage by one of his tigers. Friday night, he remains in critical but stable condition. Earlier this week, Eyewitness News learned Roy underwent a surgery where doctors removed about one-fourth of his skull to let his injured brain swell without further damage. The piece of his skull is being stored in his abdomen. The procedure is called decompressive craniectomy.

(Oct. 16) -- As reported Thursday morning: Roy has been in critical condition for two weeks now, ever since he was bitten by one of his white tigers during a live Siegfried & Roy performance. There are reports now that some tabloid publications are offering big money for photos of the injured star backstage or in the hospital. And there are conflicting reports about how extensive Roy's surgery was following that incident.

According to a New York newspaper, Horn underwent a radical procedure to remove half of his skull in order to alleviate swelling of the brain. But in an interview with the Review Journal newspaper, long-time neurosurgeon Doctor Lonnie Hammergren says it was a quarter of Roy's skull --- not half -- that was removed -- and that the life-saving procedure is not uncommon in cases of brain trauma and stroke.

Hammergren says in Roy's case, that section of the skull is stored in a pouch created in his abdomen until it can be reattached later. Doctor Hammergren is not directly involved with Roy's medical care but claims he has spoken at length with Roy's neurosurgeon Doctor Derek Duke.

Both Dr. Duke and Dr. Hammergren are currently in surgery. Dr. Hammergren is expected to speak with Eyewitness News Thursday afternoon. Meanwhile, Mirage officials, who have been tight-lipped about the perfomer's medical care at UMC, tell us they are considering whether to update the media regarding Roy's treatment and condition later Thursday.

(Oct. 15) -- Roy Horn continues to remain in critical yet stable condition at UMC.

(Oct. 14) -- There will be a another blood drive in honor of Roy Horn on Wednesday, Oct. 15 at the Four Queens Casino, downtown Las Vegas, from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

(Oct. 13) -- Roy Horn remains in critical yet stable condition at UMC, just as he has been for the past week and a half. But doctors say he is showing small signs of recovery.

(Oct. 8) -- Minute-by-minute, hour-by-hour, that's how doctors and nurses are measuring Roy's recovery. Meantime, Siegfried says the popular show hasn't seen its final days. Siegfried is quoted in a German newspaper as saying their show "... will go on. Eventually." But for now, all attention is focused on Roy's recovery.

And while media from around the world await word of Roy's recovery, family members and well wishers are still gathering at University Medical Center to show their support.

(Oct. 7) -- Doctors say it is a strong will and physical strength that has kept Roy Horn of "Siegfried & Roy" alive following a tiger attack. Horn is still listed in critical condition after suffering massive blood loss and a stroke following the tiger invident.

During a Tuesday morning news conference in front of Unversity Medical Center, Dr. Derek Duke, Horn's neurosurgeon said Horn's injuries were severe and it is still too early to predict the state of his recovery. Doctors say he can move one side of his body.

In recent days, hundreds of people have gathered outside UMC. They have come to show their support and unite in prayer for Horn's recovery. Many of the more than 200 people who came to the Sunday night vigil were show employees who wanted to show their support for Las Vegas illusionist.

Horn was critically injured when a tiger grabbed him during a live performance of the "Siegfried & Roy" show at the Mirage Friday night. The attack happened about 45 minutes into the show. Horn had walked the 7-year-old tiger named Montecore onto the stage. According to witnesses, the tiger refused Horn's command and then put his mouth around Roy's arm. After Roy attempted to get the tiger to release its grip, by hitting him on the nose with the microphone, the tiger then got Roy by the neck and dragged him offstage.

The entertainer suffered severe blood loss and a stroke later that evening when he was in surgery. He had surgery again on Saturday morning to relieve pressure on his brain.

MGM Mirage Resort's representatives have said it may require a few more days to ascertain the extent of his injuries and the length and degree of his recovery.

As for the show, MGM Mirage official say at this time, the Siegfried & Roy show is cancelled indefinitely.

The more than 200 castmembers who make a living on the show also face the tough decision of whether to wait and hope for the best or look for work elsewhere as they will not be paid while the show is dark. But right now, their thoughts and prayers are with Horn and his recovery.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

Bev has already demonstrated that she has not studied the thread twice and has expressed no interest in reading the transcripts.

So I manage to reference things from the thread by what? Osmosis? Lucky guesswork?

I have no interest in transcripts because I would prefer to know what actually happened, not what the State says happened.

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

She has expressed and demonstrated precisely the opposite of all of that garbage, multiple times.

Why do you 'debate' like a kike?

Thank you for pointing that out to him, though I doubt he'll believe you. It's an old and transparent debating tactic, to claim that your opponent has no idea what they are talking about. DEP is using it more subtly, and just insinuating I haven't read the thread. Another debating trick is to keep insulting your opponents - silly, stupid etc. Eventually, undecided bystanders will subconsciously pick up on it and it will taint their interpretation of the arguments presented. Fortunately, we're an intelligent lot at VNN and will be be able to make judgments based on facts, not on insults.

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

You also distort my view on Cyndi. She is the partner with the Federal government in putting husband in prison for life. She does so for financial gain and to be rid of her pesky crazy husband.

Opinion and quite probably a wrong one.

The fact that her webmaster revealed that the family had refused to release their expenditures on this case proves this beyond a doubt.

Until we recall that the webmaster voted in favour of satisfying the vultures and releasing the information.Why would he do that?

What are they hiding?

Probably sick of being harassed. I can just imagine the reaction if they should release the expenditure:

"Cyndi bought a 99p pen to write with! A 49p pen would have done. Proof she is a gold digger!"

"She sent letters first class! Second class would have done. Waste of money. Proof she is a gold digger!"

If we can get Steele released to a mental institution, White Nationalism is off the hook.

It isn't "on the hook". Plenty of people believe he was framed.

We might even get his head fixed.

Opinion and transparent debating tactic attempting to mislead the reader into thinking it has been established beyond all doubt that he is mad. It has not.

If Steele is proved crazy we are not responsible for his actions.

We aren't. He, or the people who set him up is or are responsible for the actions.

We will never get back the over $120,000 which we were swindled out of by Cyndi and her gang.

Opinion and libel.

But we might be lucky enough to get back some of our reputation.

We haven't lost any.

Cyndi's swindling is small change compared to the false fear that she spread of innocent White Nationalists being framed. Of course Steele is crazy and cannot be blamed.

All opinion and very likely wrong.

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

For those who don't know how easy it is to produce brain damage from an induced stroke, here is the story of Siefried and Roy. They are German immigrants and had a famous White tiger act here in Las Vegas. I talked to someone who was in the audience. He told me that he could hear that tiger growling for a long time and trying to tell Roy something. Roy didn't listen and the tiger grabbed him by the throat and carried him offstage like a rag doll (gollywog to Bev).

Damage to Roy's carotid artery by the tiger's teeth caused blood clots which traveled to his brain and caused strokes. Anti-coagulants are useless when the clots totally obstruct arteries. This was likely the case for Steele as well. Note that Roy can hardly walk, has difficulty speaking and other mental impairment. Brain damage in case of a stroke is luck of the draw.

The original story was too long to post here and I retained the parts relevant to the medical effects of the attack. Note that the stories are in reverse order. Read the entire story at the link.

Yes, I have no doubt that a NECK injury, such as this one and the one where the guy turned gay, can cause brain problems. Cutting off blood to the brain can do odd things.

A burst aorta turning someone into a nutter is very, very unlikely.

Your use of "anti-coagulants being useless" mantra is noted. I notice you avoid the very effective anti-clot therapy I have already mentioned several times. Why is that? Because it destroys the whole theory that Hadding invented? (his word, invented, so keep yer hair on.)

[-JC]

But, in private correspondence, recently, someone whom I'd have thought would have read Defensive Racism already confessed that he had not read it yet. Those of you who'd like to do something for Edgar Steele's virtual widow should consider that publication has already been paid-for and that buying a copy of his book is essentially a donation.

What I took-away from reading and listening to Mr. Steele, for years, was a conviction BEFORE I ordered a copy that I would be able to commend his book to anyone bright enough to actually read it REGARDLESS of their race. Not the Black I photographed including his license plate, a few days ago who, with chip on his shoulder, informed me that I only took his picture because he was a "young, Black male," rather than because he was parked near where I was staying with his sound system booming. (Did he know that approximately one-third of the sound energy produced by a symphony orchestra comes from just the bass drum?) I quickly posted his picture before our brief conversation in which I suggested he was looking for trouble and may have found it, just in case I ended-up like George Zimmerman. But I digress.

Edgar Steele's work was the least offensive treatment of the subject without eschewing the term "racism" that I've ever read. Hardly any thinking person will have a problem with it: Exceptions will be, of course, those with the chip on their shoulder and another symptom or two, like the nigger stuck in "look at me" that I just mentioned above. Mr. Steele is a successful man the evidence of which would be further underscored if, in fact, it turns out that he was framed. He was a bar association member, a voluble litigator who took-on uphill battles given the almost impossibly-tainted jury pool in America today, and a gifted author, whom it would have been difficult to demonize-- much less convict-- to and/or by anyone who had read, understood, and appreciated his work.

I'm not firmly in the Steele was framed camp; I'm in the have a little decency and respect camp. And I ask myself the cui bono question whenever I try to understand anything like this and particularly when I see someone obviously, deliberately, attempting to make WN (for lack of a better term) look bad whether that be Mr. Steele or any of those posting here. Knowing what I don't know, I'm inclined to give people I know a little something about-- people who've obviously done considerable selfless work-- the benefit of the doubt, their detractors notwithstanding. But again I digress.

Order the book, read it, and pass it around. I'd like to see it available in a KINDLE version so it could be purchased as a download. What it contains is very good and should live-on by itself.

The transcript of the trial is exactly what took place that was permitted into the record. It has value. Some other things are heard by the jury. Some things happen out of the presence of the jury and some in chambers out of the presence of the contract court reporter. And then there's not only what investigators and attorneys didn't learn and/or succeed in getting into the record. And, finally, there's what even those present in all those events examined won't understand for a long time if ever.

Having been traumatized before myself, I can tell you from experience that stress can both at least give the impression of accentuating perception short term and attenuate understanding over time such that it takes a long time to realize what actually took place. Dealing with physical trauma, I'm sure, is at least as disabling as emotional trauma and Edgar Steele was dealing-with both. Those who think Mr. Steele should have had "a fool for a lawyer," keeping his own counsel, are probably just cynical thinking that the conventional wisdom is just a sales pitch. Don't get me wrong: I'm not big on lawyers myself but overlook my prejudice when necessary including appreciating the thoughtful strategy and tenor of Defensive Racism which I heartily recommend.

[Hugh]

Donald, I'm not clear on the point of all this.

What relationship do you have with Steele?

During his trial, you did and said nothing that actually assisted him.

You don't have to persuade us, you have to persuade Steele, the family, judge, prosecutor and defence.
Make your case to them, not to us.

If a judge agrees with you, Steele will be sent to a state institution, and examined by a Jew, who will decide if he should be put indefinitely into a Jewish run, taxpayer funded mental institution or not.
They can give him one injection, and he will be utterly insane for ever.

None of your posts, threads, arguments, examples on VNN mean anything at all to Steele or his case, as none assist him in real life.

If you want to get him a doctor and lawyer, then go do so.

Pink Floyd- The Trial - YouTube

Pink Floyd- The Trial - YouTube

[Leonard Rouse]

Originally Posted by Angel Ramsey

Did you just call him a "kike"? And don't give me that bullshit..."I said LIKE a kike". Your playing word games.

A person who doesn't divine the difference between the second person, singular possessive pronoun your and the contraction you're is the last one to make any semantics argument.

What you call 'word games,' some of us call 'correctly using our native tongue.'

I wrote that Pauly 'debates' like a kike because he does. I mean exactly what I typed, no more and no less. That's why I typed it.

[-JC]

That was quite a music video, Hugh.

Readers here should have another look at the newspaper photo of the prosecution team which was taken from a low angle to make them-- particularly the female at the forefront-- appear larger than life.

All that really remains to be done to Ed Steele is to demonstrate that purported adherents to what he espoused turn their back on him and-- arguably more importantly his work-- because of what may or may not have been defects in Mr. Steele's character. I not only remain unconvinced, meaning that as a juror based upon what I've read, I would have therefore voted for acquittal, but I'm not convinced that any of us could not find ourselves in similar straits including having those whom we've tried to serve turn their backs on us perhaps even breaking our hearts.

Mr. Pauly has been a equal opportunity abuser and, as Hugh wrote-- not that I necessarily agree entirely-- but I agree that what's wrong with this picture is that Pauly's offers of help should have been and should continue to be private. Apparently the Steele team rejected Mr. Pauly's overtures and that-- it would seem to me-- should have been the end of it rather than invigorating him to prosecute for an insanity conviction in the court of a small public's opinion. Perhaps the point is to discourage others from thinking they might rely upon such a WN community for support. Maybe it was to try to demonstrate to the larger public that White nationalists are just as disappointing as most other people. Who would want this much space donated and used for such voluntary smearing of everyone officially on one's own defense team?

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Donald, I'm not clear on the point of all this.

What relationship do you have with Steele?

During his trial, you did and said nothing that actually assisted him.

You don't have to persuade us, you have to persuade Steele, the family, judge, prosecutor and defence.
Make your case to them, not to us.

If a judge agrees with you, Steele will be sent to a state institution, and examined by a Jew, who will decide if he should be put indefinitely into a Jewish run, taxpayer funded mental institution or not. They can give him one injection, and he will be utterly insane for ever.

None of your posts, threads, arguments, examples on VNN mean anything at all to Steele or his case, as none assist him in real life.

If you want to get him a doctor and lawyer, then go do so.

Pink Floyd- The Trial - YouTube

Had you read my motion filed with the court in this case, you would have answered most of your questions. It has been posted here a couple of times. I have never met Steele or spoken with him on the phone. I merely corresponded with him a few times and have no quarrel with him. It is beyond argument that he has done a substantial amount of good for White Nationalism. It is also beyond argument that he was once sane and has made some powerful enemies. That is all HISTORY however.

I am a recovered Steele Cheerleader, along with about seven other known posters here. No doubt many lurkers have recovered as well. The recovery process varies with the individual and does not always take 12 steps. A review of my posts will show my path. I first believed that Steele had been framed. It was hard for me to believe that the government could have thought up a plot this stupid to use to frame him. I attributed that to mere incompetence of the Famous But Incompetent as Terrible Tommie calls them. This plot reads like that it was thought up by a six-year-old.

Steele's letter back to me from jail was so bizarre that I initially thought that the FBI had answered his mail. It failed several authentication tests but was subsequently proven to be authentic. That letter has been posted twice here. It was proven my satisfaction at that point that something was seriously wrong with his head. The problem was an obscure mystery which made no sense. When the Judenpresse claimed that Steele had written several steamy love letters to his Ukrainian girlfriend from his jail cell, my recovery was nearly complete. I posted that if he had written any Ukrainian women from his jail cell for ANY reason, than he was crazier than a shithouse rat.

I have ten years consulting experience as a video Engineer to a prominent Phoenix heart surgeon. I was aware of brain damage related to "time on pump". This refers to the time that the patient is on a heart lung machine. The quicker that the surgeon can get the patients heart pumping again, the less damage is done to their brain. I only knew the tip of the iceberg however. When I started research online, I learned the dirty little secret from heart surgeon's locker rooms. It is known as 'pump head'. Surgeons consider the operation a success if the patient is walking and talking when they recover. As I have posted before here, the average heart bypass surgery patient loses 15 IQ points.

Steele's surgery was 100 times more dangerous than this. He may be the only living survivor of a ruptured ascending aorta that occurred an hour before surgery. The survival rate is 3% when surgery commences minutes after the rupture. He is a living medical curiosity. When I figured out what had happened, I explained it to Cyndi and her lawyer Hoyt. All of a sudden they stopped replying to my emails. For a while, I thought that they were merely deluded.

The trial continued to reveal more bits and pieces. There is indeed a chance in a million that Steele could have been framed. It is CERTAIN that he is at least 10 times crazier than he would have had to be to do something like this. The government had done its homework in this case. Cyndi was the most damaging witness against her husband. The jury must have thought that she was crazy for believing her husband was innocent. She revealed stuff that hung him even worse.

I filed my amicus curiae motion to vacate sentence after trial. It was summarily dismissed without a hearing. April Gaede has called Cyndi at least twice to try to explain to her that her husband went crazy. She did not want to hear it. April did the same for Steele's son Rex. He didn't want to hear it either. April knew both of them from the Prussian Blue days.

The final step in my recovery was when I realized that the entire family and legal team know that Steele is crazy. They realize that he can never be trusted again and want to be rid of this nuisance. The lawyers like to get their attorney fees. They can put him in Federal prison for life and rake in the loot from his gullible supporters. The U.S. Attorney gets credit for putting away a dangerous Nazi would be killer. Cyndi and Traci Whelan are a match made in heaven.

All the Steele camp has to do is pay a cheap scum bag lawyer to put on a show of a sham defense. Cyndi gets to keep the rest of the loot. She gets to keep all of Steele's property including the ranch. Steele is happy because he thinks that the family has swallowed the lie that he was framed. He knows that many of his supporters believe the lie as well. It is unknown whether he got my motion that I sent to him by snail mail in Moscow. He added my name to his Victorville prison email list and then supposedly removed it.

Of course, Steele is not to blame for any of his dozens of lies. He is crazy. That is not the case for the dozens of lies told by his wife. White Nationalism has been badly embarrassed by Steele's actions by trying to blow his wife up with a pipe bomb. Of course he is not to blame for that either. His wife is to blame for swindling White Nationalism out of OVER $122,000.

It is highly unlikely that Steele will get a new trial. He is a experienced former criminal lawyer who can falsely be presumed to have been sane. If he was sane, he had no excuse for allowing McAllister to bungle the trial. He had the opportunity to fire the latter at any time and take over his own defense.

Any other grounds for a new trial are mere smoke and mirrors. The government dotted their "i"s and crossed their "t"s in this case. Steele's supposed audio experts were a laughing stock. I speak as an experienced video and audio editor. As Hadding correctly pointed out, Steele would have been far better off with a free public defender and a plea bargain. He might have been out of prison by now. In the unlikely event that a new trial is granted it will be nearly two years down the road. Then it will be another year while both sides prepare for it. Finally the government will pull out some more of the dirt that they have on him. This time the sentence will be 100 years instead of 50 years.

I could have Steele out of prison for $100,000 in a month. That would get the proper medical and legal help. It is over my head to file these kinds of special motions with the Court of Appeals and I cannot afford the time to research it. Of course the family doesn't want Steele released because they want the problem out of their hair. They also like to pocket the loot. The bad news is that Tatyana won't love Steele any more if he is broke. He will be crushed but will have to get over it. That will be part of his therapy.

You are correct that the Jews infest mental institutions. It is a wonderful opportunity for Steele to explain the Jewish Question to his shrink. His treatment will be far better there than when he is in prison. When he is in a looney bin, at least the shame he has inflicted on White Nationalism will go away. We can keep a close eye on him there, far better than we can in Victorville prison. He is not even allowed to correspond with or phone his wife. She must be overjoyed. She gets to keep all of the loot while he rots in prison.

[MikeTodd]

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

A person who doesn't divine the difference between the second person, singular possessive pronoun your and the contraction you're is the last one to make any semantics argument.

What you call 'word games,' some of us call 'correctly using our native tongue.'

I wrote that Pauly 'debates' like a kike because he does. I mean exactly what I typed, no more and no less. That's why I typed it.

It's great to have you back, Lenny!
I'll rep ya when I can.

[Donald E. Pauly]

Originally Posted by -JC

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I'm not firmly in the Steele was framed camp; I'm in the have a little decency and respect camp. And I ask myself the cui bono question whenever I try to understand anything like this and particularly when I see someone obviously, deliberately, attempting to make WN (for lack of a better term) look bad whether that be Mr. Steele or any of those posting here. Knowing what I don't know, I'm inclined to give people I know a little something about-- people who've obviously done considerable selfless work-- the benefit of the doubt, their detractors notwithstanding. But again I digress.
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The transcript of the trial is exactly what took place that was permitted into the record. It has value. Some other things are heard by the jury. Some things happen out of the presence of the jury and some in chambers out of the presence of the contract court reporter. And then there's not only what investigators and attorneys didn't learn and/or succeed in getting into the record. And, finally, there's what even those present in all those events examined won't understand for a long time if ever.

Having been traumatized before myself, I can tell you from experience that stress can both at least give the impression of accentuating perception short term and attenuate understanding over time such that it takes a long time to realize what actually took place. Dealing with physical trauma, I'm sure, is at least as disabling as emotional trauma and Edgar Steele was dealing-with both. Those who think Mr. Steele should have had "a fool for a lawyer," keeping his own counsel, are probably just cynical thinking that the conventional wisdom is just a sales pitch. Don't get me wrong: I'm not big on lawyers myself but overlook my prejudice when necessary including appreciating the thoughtful strategy and tenor of Defensive Racism which I heartily recommend.

The transcript is undisputed here and agrees with all accounts of the trial that I have been able to unearth. As far as I know, not a single word was stricken from the record. I have personally spoken to the court reporter on the phone recently. She was quite helpful.

Defensive Racism is nothing new, it is history. It was written while it is universally agreed that Steele was sane. This long post of yours merely diverts from the issue of whether Steele was crazy after aorta surgery.

BTW, the fool for a lawyer expression came from old Honest Abe. He didn't practice what he preached. The most important trial that he even conducted was suing a railroad for attorney's fees and he acted as his own lawyer. He won and got his $15,000 in 1840 dollars. That is $1.2 million now in current Jew dollars.

Savy defendants act as their own lawyers all of the time and frequently win. Almost anything is better than a public defender. It is Pauly's law that any lawyer that you can afford is not worth having. There are no exceptions to that law.

[Donald E. Pauly]

The poll as to whether Steele went crazy or not is posted at
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1410270 .

As of this post nearly one-fourth of all voters say that he is completely crazy and was not framed. Curiously, an equal number say that he was sane and not framed. In other words, a cold blooded killer just like the government claimed.

Nearly half the voters are confused with the exception of a solitary Steele Cheerleader. Let's get out the vote.