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January 27th, 2013 | #1 | |
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#1 National Alliance Thread, 2013 -
Ok all you former Alliance members, I've read you're post for years on various sites and heard you're complaints in person. The National Alliance, a once great organization, has been turned into a joke by the head clown Erich Gliebe.
Well here's you're chance to change that. Posted below is a call to arms from Jim Ring for every current and former member to do they're part, I'll let Jim explain... Quote:
Jim had taken on many duties of the chairman and of the office for several years before his resignation in order to try and keep Dr. Pierce's organization alive, without getting paid or thanked by Gliebe or the board of directors. Jim has the energy and drive to run the Alliance and is backed by many competent people who will bring the Alliance back to its former glory, if the board of directors can be convinced to dump Gliebe and elect Jim Ring you will see a great resurgence of membership with most or all of the unit coordinators coming back. Listed below are the addresses of the board members (yes, Erich has widdled it down to two from five over the years). All current and former members should write them and be sure to include you're membership number if you still have it. Lets see how many letters we can send these guys. JAYNE CARTWRIGHT 7845 STATE RD. PARMA, OH, 44134 RYAN MAZIARKA 3231 KINGS CREEK RD. HAYES, VA, 23072 USA |
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January 28th, 2013 | #3 | |
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Erich Gliebe refuses to step down despite the fact that him being chairman is killing the Alliance. All of the coordinators and most of the remaining members, including Dr. Pierce's brother Sanders Pierce, have resigned or stoped paying their dues in protest to try to get Gliebe to step down to no avail. The board of directors is as complicit as Gliebe as it is their responsibility to discharge an incompetent chairman and elect a new one, so instead of trying to convince Gliebe to step down (which he wont do) every current and former member of the Alliance is encouraged to write the members of the board and state you're displeasure at the lack of leadership and make sure they know that if the Alliance fails it will not be Gliebe only who will be remembered as the one who killed the National Alliance. Jim Ring is throwing his hat into the ring to to replace Gliebe, which will only make official what Jim has been doing de facto for a number of years. Jim, along with his son Connor and the Sacramento unit at large has ran and been responsible for most of the activism within the National Alliance. This is the last chance to save the great work of Dr. Pierce, if we fail we will have to start from scratch as opposed to having an organization with a national headquarters on 400 acres complete with a publishing arm and a record label. Write to the addresses below and tel these yahoos to get off their ass and do their job. 14-88 JAYNE CARTWRIGHT 7845 STATE RD. PARMA, OH, 44134 RYAN MAZIARKA 3231 KINGS CREEK RD. HAYES, VA, 23072 USA |
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January 28th, 2013 | #4 |
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Just curious: has Gliebe put forth a defense of his chairmanship? I don't know if I've ever heard someone say they thought he was doing well.
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January 28th, 2013 | #5 |
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No, he meets his criticism with silence, except to accuse Jim of empire building, and pretends that everything is fine. Truth is the Alliance hangs by a thread.
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January 28th, 2013 | #6 |
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January 31st, 2013 | #7 |
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Jim Ring is one Hell of an organizer. His heart is in the right place, but I would really be surprised to see these people suddenly do the right thing. These people were handpicked to rubberstamp Erich Gliebe's activites. Do you really see them voting him out? Does anyone remember back when the NA had a Board that was picked by Dr. Pierce and that when a couple of them were ready to act they were threatened and attempts were made to cause major disruptions in their lives? I'm not going to relive that chapter of the NA here, but the info is out there for those that care to know.
I do agree that sadly there really is not much out there. Some of the best people that I've ever known and I made quite a few friendships through the NA. Several times I personally went to a new members home and was made to feel like a relative. They didn't know me, I didn't know them, but the comradeship and trust was there. It's a real shame that Dr. Pierce didn't name a Chairman prior to his death. I believe that he really thought he'd be around a little longer and would have time to take care of things. I will take the time to write these individuals. At the very least I owe that to Dr. Pierce and to the future of the White race. |
January 31st, 2013 | #8 |
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How come this gets so little attention here?
I think it is most interesting and crucial development that happened in a while. I am not an American but I hope Jim Ring will succeed and bring back the spirit of the good old NA. http://natallnews.net/ |
January 31st, 2013 | #9 |
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I respect Jim Ring and he has many good ideas, but I hope he isn't wasting his time.
This approach has been tried before and failed miserably. My question is this: why not just start a new group (e.g. "William Pierce Society" or "National Legacy") and use Dr. Pierce's writings for the basis of the group? The National Alliance (Erich Gliebe) is in no position to bring legal action for any sort of copyright violation. It's my opinion that as much as Dr. Pierce enjoyed that land he'd think less of us obsessing over it instead of starting something new and getting on with business. |
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child support payments so he can stay out of jail. Gliebe is worthless white trash scum and needs to be terminated. |
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February 1st, 2013 | #11 | |
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February 1st, 2013 | #12 |
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Yes, but National Vanguard had Kevin Strom. I meant a new group with solid leadership.
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February 1st, 2013 | #13 |
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A proposal
I took a drive up to Los Angeles the other day to visit a good friend, Zan Overall, and had some time to think and reflect on all the developments in the "truth movement" lately. Zan and I discussed the future of this "movement", the issues that seem to be dividing those of us in it, and what we can do to effectively and pragmatically make some sort of progress in our struggle against the forces of the Jew World Order.
First of all, just in the past two months or so, we've seen countless disputes and outright hostility between the different factions making up this "movement". And I'm sick and tired of it. It's immature. It's childish. It's ridiculous. I don't know about anyone else, but I would really like to do something about the situation we find ourselves in, and the criminals responsible for it. And to do that we need to get serious. We need to stop whining, moaning, gossiping, bashing and complaining about internet trolls, other radio hosts or alternative media types (unless it's justified and specific issues are discussed), Christians and other religiously inclined individuals, and instead concentrate on our common enemy and focus on key points we agree on. http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/...-proposal.html
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February 1st, 2013 | #14 |
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There should be called an extraordinary meeting of former NA via the Internet. The Nationalist Coalition and European Americans United must be involved. Jim Ring and David Pringle could get together and organize this meeting. I even have a name for you the Nationalist Alliance get together form a new organization, save Dr. Pierce's legacy.
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If a new group was established any publication could probably be reproduced without repercussion, hell Gliebe's so greedy he may just sell the rights to the Life Rune and Alliance name. |
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February 2nd, 2013 | #17 |
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Input from Will Williams
I sent Will the link to this thread, and he sent me the following input. Will btw, is the foremost living authority on the history of National Alliance, and he worked alongside Dr Pierce in WVA for years. (Alex said awhile back it's OK for Will's comments to be posted on VNN forum).
This, from Will: "Thanks, I read all of Jim Ring's piece, though it's repetitive and way too long. His words that jumped out at me were these: "Very recently the chairman told one resigned Sacramento unit member that he wanted to turn the Alliance away from its established world-view, as outlined in the membership handbook which states that our creed is based upon 'the eternal truths embodied in the National Socialist idea… (page 113) and that Alliance members acknowledge the debt we owe to Adolf Hitler.' The handbook goes on to state that the National Socialist idea is a powerful recruiting tool for opening the minds of potential recruits to the Alliance's message. These words of the handbook are the words of Dr. Pierce himself...." Jim Ring doesn't give me confidence with these words that he can restore the Alliance to anywhere near what it was before Gliebe hijacked it and deliberately drove it into the ground. For one thing, he's quoting from the revised National Alliance Membership Handbook, the one in which Gliebe & Co. struck "the words of Dr. Pierce himself" -- the five pages addressing Christianity as an opposed ideology being foremost in those deletions. By that blunder alone Gliebe had already "turn[ed] away the Alliance's established world view, as outlined in the Membership Handbook" a decade ago. Jim doesn't address this major deletion of what arguably set the Alliance apart from other organizations. That deletion alone, among others, caused many of Dr. Pierce's stalwarts to resign in disgust. The quote about National-Socialism that Jim says is on p. 113 of the Handbook is actually on p.122 of the original edition and those were Dr. Pierce's own words, but in the context of a two and a half page explanation of how members might respond when asked "Are you a Nazi?" or, "Are you a neo-Nazi?" It was not a policy statement as Jim suggests. Dr. Pierce also wrote on p. 122 of the original Handbook, "t would be wrong for the Alliance to associate itself with the cult aspects of National Socialism in Germany prior to 1945." Yet, when I saw Jim posed with an SS dagger in this SPLC article about how pathetic the Alliance has become ten years after its founder's death, it gives the impression that he does have a fascination with the cult aspect of NS prior to 1945: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/shipwreck-ten-years-after-the-death-of-its-founder-the-once-dominant-national-alliance . Jim has the Gliebe stain, I'm afraid. He stuck by him for a decade and treated Giebe's critics like they were wrong for not going along like he did, with the Gliebe Wrecking Crew, to get along. But we were not wrong; we were right all along. I wrote to Jim Ring on October 17, 2012, with the following email after Karl LeForce provided his email address in that "Lucky Jack" expose on a VNN thread around that time (since removed?). He never responded: From: Will Williams 11/17/12 To: Hadding Cc: Karl LaForce, Jim Ring Look back through LJ's posting history at VNN (122 posts since December of 2004) and you'll likely find enough clues to counter Jim Ring's "way out" suspicions about LJ being Gliebe. Gliebe is not that clever, believe me. Look at LJ's earliest posts -- I can't -- and think back to what Gliebe was doing at the time. I find it hard to believe that Lawrence Myers would still be playing superspook infiltrator with what's known about his past activities. At least two VNNers have told LJ in PMs that I'm interested in corresponding with him, gave him my email address....no reply from Lucky yet. He talks like he knows me, but hides behind his alias. What's to hide? I'm Cc'ing this to both Karl LaForce, with thanks for passing Jim's note up the line, and to my old comrade Jim who I'd also like to thank for finally turning on Gliebe and telling it like it really is with the "new & improved" Alliance, though I haven't read what Jim actually said since his sites were taken down soon after his announcement. Will Williams On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hadding Scott <[email protected]> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karl LaForce Date: Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:47 PM Subject: Fwd: Who is "Lucky Jack" on VNN.... To: Hadding Scott FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jim Ring Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:08 PM Subject: Who is "Lucky Jack" on VNN.... To: Friends, This may seem "way out" there to you but I have suspicion and reason to believe that the poster "Lucky Jack" on VNN is actually Erich Gliebe. With that said, always keep this in the back of your minds, especially those of you who are joining in the fracas there. A double role is being played here, most effectively and he wants to keep it rolling if he can. The thoughts strung together in these posts are strikingly similar to e-mail communications I've had with Gliebe recently. Also, certain things are mentioned that are pre-cell phone days for the principles involved therefore also knocking out Lawrence Myers as a candidate to having listened in. I could be wrong but the little man inside is telling me this is a distinct possibility. Jim --- It turns out "Lucky Jack" was in fact Lawrence Myers, the confirmed FBI/SPLC infiltrator Fred Streed had called Erich Gliebe's "handler" early on. I had a couple of friends attempt to have "Lucky" email me and he declined. I also emailed Gliebe's ex-wife, Erika, on 12/10 when her statement was posted to VNN with her email address provided. Her statement is still here: http://erichgliebe.net/ She chose to not respond to my email inquiry, either. She wrote of wanting to hear from people interested in restoring the National Alliance. Now I see that she links to Jim Ring's appeal so I must assume they are in cahoots to some extent. Writing to Erich Gliebe's two hand-picked Alliance board members -- who were put in their positions to go along with Gliebe's "dereliction of duty, gross incompetence and fiscal malfeasance," as Ring described things back in October -- will not bring about satisfactory results. The only board of directors that has standing in my view and has any hope of restoring the National Alliance is the one Dr. Pierce hand picked and put his trust in, the one Erich Gliebe ran off: Fred Streed, Kitti Molz and Bob Demarais. [I]Gliebe must step down and turn the reins back over to those people if the mess he has made is to ever be sorted out and confidence in the Alliance restored. A new, carefully chosen, expanded board of directors, all ideologically sound, could possibly set things right again. At this late stage however, Fred, Kitti and Bob probably will not return to the mess Gliebe has made of things. Why should they, except entirely on their terms? Regardless, Dr. Pierce's teachings are getting out to a new generation through Youtube and other means despite Gliebe.
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February 6th, 2013 | #18 |
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Rumors are swirling that a large Canadian bequest for nearly a million bucks is headed Erich's way, any truth to this?
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February 6th, 2013 | #19 |
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There is an estate that was willed to the Alliance for around a half mil, however, Gliebe has a history of using Alliance funds for personal use so we'll see what he does with it. He owes a great deal of money to Alliance members from whom he's borrowed large sums of money over the years, he may use the estate money to pay back these personal loans.
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White trash scum. |
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