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"actually my position is that the whole mass murder can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector, which has not been done yet at Treblinka like it has been done at Belzec and Sobibor." Really dullone? First off, you claim only 60% of the alleged Sobibor holocaust has been proven, not "the whole mass murder." Second, If "the whole mass murder has been proven" at Sobibor, then why can't you show us the location of the 3 "huge mass graves" that were allegedly found "sometime in the sixties?" Let's see a map that shows the location of all alleged "huge mass gravs" found. Let's see you answer the question - how many graves in total have allegedly been located at Sobibor? retardo: "actually my position is that the whole mass murder [at Treblinka] can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector." Translation: Not so much as one single "huge mass grave" at Treblinka that contains just one: 1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. has ever been found. NOT ONE! And "each mass grave?" How many are we talking about? And what is there general location. Show us on a map the location of the remains of the 870,000 jews alleged to have been murdered, buried, dug up, burned (NOT cremated), crushed (into bone fragments - NOT "ashes") and reburied INTO THE SAME "HUGE MASS GRAVES." Just do the best you can dullone. Narrow it down to the best of your limited ability. Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 22nd, 2009 at 08:07 PM. |
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What did Gerdes do in response to my posts # 1839 under http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=9...postcount=1839 ?
Well, just what I expected the compulsive liar, whimpering coward and pitiable retard to do. Apart from shooting some bull as his alter-ego "T.F.Sheb", he dished up more of his standard waffle, which he could have avoided if he had read my post # 1833 under http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=9...postcount=1833 and my blog under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...th-update.html with more attention (what mass graves "allegedly" found at Sobibor in the 1960s is he babbling about, by the way?) – and if he had brains instead of manure inside his skull, which might for instance have kept him from writing stuff like the "you claim only 60% of the alleged Sobibor holocaust has been proven" nonsense (estimates on the death toll of large-scale massacres usually differ, and preferring a lower figure wholly substantiated by evidence over a higher one based on extrapolations from partial data is altogether reasonable), among other repetitive showpieces of his ignorance and/or imbecility. Gerdes’ misrepresentations of my statements, however (namely when he deliberately "misunderstands" my position that the whole mass murder can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector, by nonsensically emphasizing the "each"), do not result from the fellow’s lack of brain or his hysteria but from his pathetic compulsion to lie. He seems to think that people are stupid enough to fall for his pathetic attempts at wisecracking. Of course Gerdes latest trash isn’t enough to break the "ignore" deadlock and get our discussion going again. What Gerdes must do to break the "ignore" deadlock and get my discussion with him on this forum going again, as he well knows because I have told him many times, is to post a statement that reads as follows: "I am prepared to, from now on, also answer questions and respond to challenges myself, and to address my opponent’s arguments and the evidence presented by my opponent (all of it)." But that’s not about to happen, of course, because Fatso Gerdes: it too much a to post this simple statement. So the ignore situation remains as concerns discussion on this forum. Meanwhile, on the CODOH thread http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5304 , compulsive liar and whimpering coward Gerdes, getting more insane by the hour, has let fly with another of his hysterical tirades. I’ll have some fun with it in the following. Quote:
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[quote=Gerdes]All I’m saying is, is that - I have identified the location of Lukaszkiewicz’s pit that he describes in his official protocol after his investigation of Treblinka from Nov. 9 – 13, 1945.[quote] Gerdes should avoid repeating himself too much. Even his CODOH buddies might get bored. Quote:
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http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...n-polesie.html http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...ave-found.html My collection of photos under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/5963 contains a number of photographs pertaining to Nazi crimes on Soviet soil. These are some of them (captions are from the source featuring these photos, the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters’ House - http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/gfh_eng.htm ): A mass grave discovered in Iwje, Poland. A Soviet investigating committee beside a mass grave of the Jews of Kozin, which they excavated. A mass grave in Drobitski Yar near Kharkov. A mass grave of Lenin Jewry (in the Polesye region, on the Russo - Polish border). Bodies taken from a mass grave in Taganrov, Russia. German soldiers standing amid the bodies lying in the mass grave in Vinnitsa, Ukraine. The bodies of Jews from the Zolochev (Zloczow) ghetto, in a mass grave. The bodies of Jews from the Zolochev (Zloczow) ghetto, exhumed from a mass grave after the liberation. The bodies of women killed by the German army, in a mass grave in Kerch. The excavation of mass graves at the Ponary mass extermination site near Vilnius (Vilna) in July 1944. Corpses exhumed from mass graves at the Ponary mass extermination site near Vilnius (Vilna). These photos, available on the site of the USHMM (http://www.ushmm.org/), are from Klooga concentration camp in Estonia, where Soviet troops found pyres with half-burned bodies of inmates killed by the camp staff before abandoning the place: These are some of the photos from Majdanek, the first concentration camp on Polish soil liberated by the Soviets in 1944 (captions again from the source featuring these photos, the Archives of the Ghetto Fighters’ House): The remains of corpses incinerated in the Majdanek camp's crematorium. The bodies and partial remains of victims of the Majdanek camp. A heap of bones and ashes of victims of the Majdanek camp. A pile of bones and skulls of people killed in the Majdanek camp. [img]http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000005009/0000005009_1_web.jpg[/mg] A pile of bones of victims in the Majdanek camp. A pile of bones and skulls of people killed in the Majdanek camp. Quote:
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On the other hand, cross-checking Soviet evidence against evidence independent of the Soviets has in a great many cases (see examples in the above-mentioned articles) confirmed that Nazi mass crimes reported by the Soviets were actually Nazi mass crimes, and that the Soviets didn’t even necessarily exaggerate the scale of these crimes. Trying to tar every Soviet investigation with the Katyn brush is but a baseless rhetorical subterfuge and a lame attempt by ideologically motivated fanatics to get rid of evidence inconvenient to their articles of faith. Quote:
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The big howler, however, is the last paragraph: Mattogno & Graf seem to hold that if photographic documentation doesn’t cover the full extent of what becomes apparent from other evidence about the size of a given massacre, this means that such other evidence is contradicted. By such standards (which are no better than Gerdes imbecilic "show me just one this and that"), it must be assumed that the Soviets killed only a few hundred Poles at Katyn, rather than the 4,143 reportedly found by the Germans, as I pointed out under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...ave-found.html : Quote:
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Now let’s look at reactions to Gerdes’ verbal diarrhea (which doesn’t seem to have fascinated Gerdes’ fellow true believers, at least according to what I saw this morning – maybe he’s been luckier since then)
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Yawn, did roberto write anything recently? Let's see - my, that looks like he put a lot of time and effort into something. But guess what? I just browsed it and there is not one single bit of proof for the existence of so much as one single "huge mass grave" at Treblinka or Sobibor that contains just one:
1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. NOT ONE! retardo: "actually my position is that the whole mass murder can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector, which has not been done yet at Treblinka like it has been done at Sobibor." Really dullone? First off, you claim only 60% of the alleged Sobibor holocaust has been proven, not "the whole mass murder." Second, If "the whole mass murder has been proven" at Sobibor, then why can't you show us the location of the 3 "huge mass graves" that were allegedly found "sometime in the sixties?" Let's see a map that shows the location of all alleged "huge mass graves" found. Let's see you answer the question - how many graves in total have allegedly been located at Sobibor? retardo: "actually my position is that the whole mass murder [at Treblinka] can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector." Translation: Not so much as one single "huge mass grave" at Treblinka that contains just one: 1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. has ever been found. NOT ONE! And "each mass grave?" How many are we talking about? And what is there general location. Show us on a map the location of the remains of the 870,000 jews alleged to have been murdered, buried, dug up, burned (NOT cremated), crushed (into bone fragments - NOT "ashes") and reburied INTO THE SAME "HUGE MASS GRAVES." Just do the best you can dullone. Narrow it down to the best of your limited ability. Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 22nd, 2009 at 08:22 PM. |
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Well well well, I just did another quik browse before moving on, and I found this at the bottom of roberta's last post:
"There’s even a contemporary map showing the part of the Treblinka II area where the crater must have been located. Let’s see if Gerdes has found that map." So did you catch that? The retarded rabbi has had information about the alleged location of this mystery crater, but she hasn't shared it. Why not dullone? What are you afraid of? Now, let's see the maps of Sobibor and Treblinka that show the exact locations of all alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found, and / or the most general area that you believe them to be. If you can't provide a map that has the alleged "huge mass graves" clearly marked, then simply describe them to the best of your limited ability. And by the way dullone, I want to thank you for showing the world just how right I am about the impossibility of making jew magically disapear. You really shot yourself in the foot on that last post. (BTW, have I ever told you that you're priceless?) I especially liked this: "The remains of corpses incinerated in the Majdanek camp's crematorium." And: "Depends on what one accepts as forensic proof... And he also cannot explain why on earth it should only be possible to prove a crime by forensic means." LOL!! PRICELESS!!! Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 22nd, 2009 at 08:35 PM. |
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Originally Posted by Gerdes 2 - Why did the Soviets / comjunists not admit to finding said graves / bodies? (Especially when that is what they went to Treblinka to do?) retardo: "Actually, as I said before, the Soviets made a report about Treblinka I, in which they mentioned the bodies found there (How else would we know about these bodies, Mr. Knucklehead? Duh!) and reported no bodies found in the area of Treblinka II - where in fact there were none - because the bodies had been cremated and the cremation remains mostly buried under ground, from where the Soviets saw no point in digging them up)." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! The comjunists admitted to doing excavations dumb ass! Priceless!!!!!!!!!! |
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Actually the Soviets just didn’t care to look underground for what they reasonably supposed they would find there and could see above ground already – human cremation remains. She is simply mentally ill, isn't she folks? There is no other explanation for her. On August 24, 1944, a commission composed of the Soviet officers previously named as well as representatives of the local Polish authorities produced the first official report concerning the camps Treblinka I and II. With respect to Treblinka II it says there: "At the present it is difficult to uncover the traces and secrets of this oven for the cremation of people, but based upon the available data, one can picture it." PRICELESS!!!!! |
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Whatch how easy it is to prove that the retarded rabbi is both mentally retarded and mentally ill with one simple post:
retardo: "As I pointed out, the Soviets had no reason to go looking for graves/bodies in the Treblinka II area... there was no point in digging for cremation remains" LOL - what do you call this dullone? On August 24, 1944, a commission composed of the Soviet officers previously named as well as representatives of the local Polish authorities produced the first official report concerning the camps Treblinka I and II. With respect to Treblinka II it says there: The statements of the witnesses, the book 'One Year in Treblinka' [by Jankiel Wiernik], the presence of a large quantity of ashes and cinders, the presence of personal commodities and documents strewn on the grounds - * as well as excavated from the pits * - confirm that there were ovens in the camp where people were cremated. In the beginning, the Germans buried the bodies of the murdered. After Himmler had visited the camp, the bodies were dug up with an excavator and cremated. At the present it is difficult to uncover the traces and secrets of this oven for the cremation of people, but based upon the available data, one can picture it. And get this one: "The Poles must also have found the human remains described by the Soviets in their report, even if they didn’t mention them." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Priceless!!!! |
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"Actually, as I said before, the Soviets made a report... and reported no bodies found in the area of Treblinka II - where in fact there were none" Yes dullone, that is exactly what I've been saying for months now. Haven't you been paying attention? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! |
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What did Gerdes do in response to my posts # 1842 under http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=9...postcount=1842 and # 1843 under http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=9...postcount=1843 ?
Well, just what I had expected the compulsive liar, whimpering coward and hysterical fishwife to do – he freaked out again and wrote some more (mostly repeated) nonsense, thereby again showing that he cannot read and has a compulsive tendency to misrepresent his opponent’s arguments (by quoting them out of context or otherwise) and tell other lies, but no arguments and no brains. What he didn’t do was the one thing he knows he should have done if he wanted me to respond to his latest crap, which is to post a statement reading as follows: "I am prepared to, from now on, also answer questions and respond to challenges myself, and to address my opponent’s arguments and the evidence presented by my opponent (all of it)." And that’s also not about to happen, of course, because Fatso Gerdes: it too much a to post this simple statement. So the ignore situation remains as concerns discussion on this forum. On the CODOH thread http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5304 , it was not only Carto’s Cutlass Supreme who became upset with Gerdes, but also the big fat Moderator (obviously none other than Jonni "Hannover" Hargis) himself. Moderator seems to be particularly pissed about Gerdes’ plagiarizing Mattogno & Graf’s Treblinka book, as his post of Jan 21, 2009 9:40 pm suggests: Quote:
On Gerdes’ other CODOH thread, the one under http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5290 , newcomer Thesaint has shown himself to be a pious true believer who faithfully tows the "Revisionist" party line, and his tirade (especially the "Judgment day" part) furthermore suggests a fanatical follower of another religion as well: Quote:
First of all, no exhibit is stated by me to be the proof of anything, simply because I think there is no such thing as the one smoking gun that proves everything. Conclusions about historical facts are derived from the convergence of various independent elements of evidence, which may well be inconclusive if viewed in isolation but nevertheless lead to a certain inescapable conclusion when seen together. Second, I don’t think the "ash mountain" monument, if containing human ashes as it is reported to contain (and I see no reason to doubt), tells us anything other than that there were human ashes lying around on the soil of Sobibor when the monument was made. It doesn’t tell us whose ashes were lying there or where they had come from – for that we need other evidence, like eyewitness testimonies and documents showing what human beings were burned to ashes at Sobibor at what time and under what circumstances. Third, as an exhibit of physical evidence, and as evidence to the presence of mass graves containing large amounts of human remains in the area, the "ash mountain" monument is far less telling than other exhibits I have shown or referred to in my posts on VNN and in my blog series about the Sobibor mass graves starting under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...t-sobibor.html , namely the following: 1. Postwar photos of the Sobibor site suggesting robbery digs: 2. Photos of core drill samples from Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, shown under http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/...nia/index.html : 3. My own photos of the mass graves area and of human remains (bone fragments) that I found there (without having to look much, I may add), which are shown in my blog under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...th-update.html and in my RODOH thread under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/636...o-Sobibor.html . 4. Prof. Andrzej Kola’s description of the mass graves found in 2001, an English translation of which is included in my aforementioned blog: Quote:
6. Air and satellite photographs (the former from the Sobibor Archaeology Project, see their site under http://undersobibor.org/ , the latter courtesy of Mr. Gerdes) on which four of the mass graves plotted on Prof. Kola’s map (the ones numbered 2, 6, 3 and 4) can be made out with the naked eye: 7. Last but not least, the documentary and eyewitness evidence showing that Sobibor was an extermination camp and that at least about 150,000 people (the number established by a West German court in 1966 based on evidence assessed by a court expert; there is also an early Polish estimate of about 250,000 dead, which is reasonable but not supported by evidence as the lower figure is), of whom just about 40 survivors have become known in the 6 ½ decades since Sobibor was dismantled, were deported to Sobibor (without there being any evidence that any of the deportees were taken from Sobibor to the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories, as "Revisionists" would have it, even though there should be plenty of evidence if the deportees had been taken from Sobibor to the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories and put into ghettos or labor camps in those areas). Some of this evidence is mentioned in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 , item IV.1. If Thesaint thinks that an objective researcher would not accept the above as conclusive evidence that at least about 150,000 people were murdered at Sobibor (even though this was the conclusion of, among others, the very objective judges of the German Federal Republic at several murder trials held in the 1950s and 1960s, based on documentary and eyewitness evidence alone), I’d like him to explain why, i.e. based on what reasonable rules and standards of evidence and what logic, he thinks that an objective researcher would not accept this evidence as conclusive. If he thinks that this evidence is proof of what he calls a "total fraud", I’d like him to explain how he arrived at this conclusion based on the mentioned evidence. He must be hallucinating. And if he claims he has seen and been convinced by "PROOF" from the "Revisionist" side, I’d like him to show me that "PROOF". I’d expect something like conclusive evidence to massive evidence manipulation behind the exhibits I mentioned above and/or conclusive evidence to a scenario other than mass murder. I therefore invite Thesaint to have a chat with me on (at his choice) this VNN thread or the RODOH discussion forum under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/ . Let’s see if there’s anything like arguments behind your big mouth, my friend. And if you’re not a whimpering coward like Gerdes (who hides behind irrelevant and idiotic questions he repeats over and over again and ignores any pertinent question he is asked) or like Jonni "Hannover" Hargis (who never dares to stick his nose outside his warm and cozy CODOH Führerbunker, where he meets inconvenient opposition with censorship even though the place is supposed to offer open debate). I’m waiting for you, pal. |
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"If Thesaint thinks that an objective researcher would not accept the above as conclusive evidence that at least about 150,000 people were murdered at Sobibor, I’d like him to explain why, i.e. based on what reasonable rules and standards of evidence and what logic, he thinks that an objective researcher would not accept this evidence as conclusive." The reason of course, is that: Not so much as one single "huge mass grave" at Sobibor that contains so much as just one: 1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. has ever been found. NOT ONE! Of course, if retardo believes otherwise, she is free to show us just one of the alleged huge mass graves" that she beileves is the most convincing of all the alleged "huge mass graves." And if She claims She has convincing by "PROOF," I’d like her show me that "PROOF". I’d expect something like conclusive evidence to massive evidence evidence of that mass murder. However, I would accept for now, just one single "huge mass grave" at Sobibor that contains so much as just one: 1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. Let’s see if there’s anything like real proof behind your big mouth, my friend. Now retardo, HOW MANY MASS GRAVES DO YOU CLAIM HAVE BEEN LOCATED / PROVEN TO EXIST AT SOBIBOR AND TREBLINKA? Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 23rd, 2009 at 01:34 PM. |
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Please notice how the dullone refused to respond to my bitchslapping her with the following:
retardo: "actually my position is that the whole mass murder can be and has been proven without establishing the precise location and size of each of the mass graves in the Treblinka "death camp" sector." Let's see a map that shows the location of all alleged "huge mass graves" found. Let's see you answer the question - how many graves in total have allegedly been located / proven to exist at Treblinka? Let's see you locate / prove the existence of just one single "huge mass grave" at Treblinka that contains just one: 1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation." 2 - Complete human skeleton. 3 - Complete human skull 4 - Complete human bone. 5 - Human bone fragment. 6 - Human tooth. 7 - Ounce of human ash. 8 - Spent bullet. 9 - Shell casing. JUST ONE! Can you do it retardo? And "each mass grave?" How many are we talking about? And what is there general location. Show us on a map the location of the remains of the 870,000 jews alleged to have been murdered, buried, dug up, burned (NOT cremated), crushed (into bone fragments - NOT "ashes") and reburied INTO THE SAME "HUGE MASS GRAVES." Just do the best you can dullone. Narrow it down to the best of your limited ability. Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 23rd, 2009 at 01:34 PM. |
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Please notice how the dullone refused to respond to my bitchslapping her with the following:
Well well well, I just did another quik browse before moving on, and I found this at the bottom of roberta's last post: "There’s even a contemporary map showing the part of the Treblinka II area where the crater must have been located. Let’s see if Gerdes has found that map." So did you catch that? The retarded rabbi has had information about the alleged location of this mystery crater, but she hasn't shared it. Why not dullone? What are you afraid of? Now, let's see the maps of Sobibor and Treblinka that show the exact locations of all alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found, and / or the most general area that you believe them to be. If you can't provide a map that has the alleged "huge mass graves" clearly marked, then simply describe them to the best of your limited ability. And by the way dullone, I want to thank you for showing the world just how right I am about the impossibility of making jews "magically disapear." You really shot yourself in the foot on that last post. (BTW, have I ever told you that you're priceless?) I especially liked this: "The remains of corpses incinerated in the Majdanek camp's crematorium." YES - THE REMIANS!! LOTS AND LOTS OF "REMAINS"!!!!! And: "Depends on what one accepts as forensic proof... And he also cannot explain why on earth it should only be possible to prove a crime by forensic means." LOL!! PRICELESS!!! Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 PM. |
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Please notice how the dullone refused to respond to my bitchslapping her with the following:
Quote: Originally Posted by Gerdes 2 - Why did the Soviets / comjunists not admit to finding said graves / bodies? (Especially when that is what they went to Treblinka to do?) retardo: "Actually, as I said before, the Soviets made a report... and reported no bodies found in the area of Treblinka II - where in fact there were none - because the bodies had been cremated and the cremation remains mostly buried under ground, from where the Soviets saw no point in digging them up)." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! The comjunists admitted to doing excavations dumb ass! Priceless!!!!!!!!!! retardo: "As I pointed out, the Soviets had no reason to go looking for graves/bodies in the Treblinka II area... there was no point in digging for cremation remains" LOL - what do you call this dullone? On August 24, 1944, a commission composed of the Soviet officers previously named as well as representatives of the local Polish authorities produced the first official report concerning the camp Treblinka II - it says there: The statements of the witnesses, the book 'One Year in Treblinka' [by Jankiel Wiernik], the presence of a large quantity of ashes and cinders, the presence of personal commodities and documents strewn on the grounds - * as well as excavated from the pits * - confirm that there were ovens in the camp where people were cremated. In the beginning, the Germans buried the bodies of the murdered. After Himmler had visited the camp, the bodies were dug up with an excavator and cremated. At the present it is difficult to uncover the traces and secrets of this oven for the cremation of people, but based upon the available data, one can picture it. And get this one: "The Poles must also have found the human remains described by the Soviets in their report, even if they didn’t mention them." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Priceless!!!! Let's see this again: roberta: "Actually, as I said before, the Soviets made a report... and reported no bodies found in the area of Treblinka II - where in fact there were none." Yes dullone, that is exactly what I've been saying for months now. Haven't you been paying attention? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Last edited by Greg Gerdes; January 24th, 2009 at 05:31 PM. |
January 23rd, 2009 | #1855 |
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Now, you can tell just how tight the noose is getting around the retardo's neck by her refusal to answer this one simple question:
WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ALLEGED "HUGE MASS GRAVES" THAT YOU CLAIM: "actually my position is that the whole mass murder can be and has been proven" How many rabbi? Can there be a simpler question than that? What's wrong roberta, is the question too hard for you? What are you afraid of? |
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BTW dullone, your claim that:
"the whole mass murder can be and has been proven" Begs the question, if you really have accepted THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE - THEN WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? WHAT ARE YOU AFFRAID OF? What's wrong rabbi? Is just one "huge mass grave" that contains just 1/10 of 1% too hard for you? |
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Where's the Beef?
Here's a fact, Muley. Eyewitness testimony is the worst form of evidence.
Here's another fact. Forensic proof is the best form of evidence. Revisionists seek truth through forensic evidence. A crime scene as large as Treblinka, even after all these years, should yield plenty of usable evidence. Mr. Gerdes is challenging you to provide forensic proof and offering a large amount of cash to do so. Here's a direct question from me. Is there any forensic proof that the Treblinka Tales(TM) are true? Thank you for your consideration. |
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Boy, I almost missed this one (thanks Lisa!):
The retarded rabbi:" "First of all, no exhibit is stated by me to be the proof of anything" Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Yes retardo, that is the most obvious statement you've made to date. What's next? Are you going to finally admit that you’re a retarded liar? BTW, dullone, can you show us the exact location where those core samples were taken? I didn't think so. Unless and until you can show us where they were taken, they can't even be included amongst your sophistic and nonsensical "evidence." And while we're at it, when are you going to admit that those core samples don't contain so much as an iota of human remains. NOT AN IOTA!!! And lastly, where are the photos of the other 182 samples? Holy cow dullone, I can’t believe how much of a help you are in proving the Sobibor / Treblinka frauds than I am. Thank you rabbi. (BTW, have I ever told you that you're priceless? |
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Response to TFS (just in the improbable case he’s not a Gerdes sock-puppet).
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What did Gerdes do in response to my post # 1850 under http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=9...postcount=1850 ?
Well, just what I had expected the compulsive liar, whimpering coward and hysterical fishwife to do – he freaked out again and wrote some more (mostly repeated) nonsense, thereby again showing that he cannot read and has a compulsive tendency to misrepresent his opponent’s arguments (by quoting them out of context or otherwise) and tell other lies, but no arguments and no brains. I especially liked the part where he thanked his female alter-ego "Lisa" for having given him the idea of misrepresenting one of my statements in post # 1850. What Gerdes didn’t do, however, was the one thing he knows he should have done if he wants me to respond to his latest crap, which is to post a statement reading as follows: "I am prepared to, from now on, also answer questions and respond to challenges myself, and to address my opponent’s arguments and the evidence presented by my opponent (all of it)." And that’s also not about to happen, of course, because Fatso Gerdes: it too much a to post this simple statement. So the ignore situation remains as concerns discussion on this forum. If Gerdes wants me to comment his waffle despite lacking even the little courage required for posting a statement whereby he commits to answer questions and respond to challenges himself, he should also have understood by now that all he has to do is post the same waffle on the "CODOH Revisionist Forum" (as he has done in the past although he well knows that I have been banned on that forum and cannot post there). Of course the CODOH clowns won’t like that, especially now that Thesaint’s question forced Gerdes to finally post the link to this VNN thread on CODOH. I wonder where this Thesaint fellow is, by the way. Did he not read my invitation in post # 1850, or is he another piece of "Revisionist" chicken-shit? |
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