#1 World War I Thread

[Alex Linder]

World War I

by Taki

January 14, 2014


Joseph Caillaux

By the time August rolls around there will be hundreds of books, thousands of articles, and millions of words spoken by mostly pompous people about who was responsible for starting World War I. The Brits were the first off the mark to blame the Germans. They would, wouldn’t they? Max Hastings, a very good English historian who affects upper-class mannerisms (his father was a tabloid hack) and has the most extraordinary accent in a desperate effort to show he’s a blueblood, was among the first to produce a book and place the blame where it doesn’t belong. Among the few who got it exactly right is Christopher Clark, whose The Sleepwalkers hit the proverbial nail you-know-where. The irony is that the sixteen million dead, the disappearance of the great royal dynasties and of the upper classes, and the birth of communism and Nazism could all have been avoided if a certain Joseph Caillaux had kept his pants on. Let me explain.

Caillaux was French prime minister and a friend of Germany’s. He mistrusted the British who ruled half the world. He decided that Germans should not build a larger navy lest they get any big ideas about having an overseas empire like perfidious Albion. He had stepped down in 1912 and was running against a warmonger in the 1914 elections. In early 1914, Le Figaro, France’s most respected newspaper, published an exposé of the affair of Monsieur Caillaux with a certain Madame Henriette. (Plus ça change, as they say in the land of cheese.)

Madame Caillaux, known for her elegance and noble breeding, had herself driven to the offices of Le Figaro and asked to see the editor. He was out to lunch, so she waited in his office. As soon as he entered, she greeted him politely, announced her name, took out a revolver from her gilded purse, and shot him dead. She was immediately tried and exonerated—the French called it a crime passionnel—but her hubby had to resign. The warmongering Raymond Poincaré remained in power.

Gaston Calmette, the dead editor, was the first man to fall, but you won’t find his name among those who fell on the “Champs d’Honneur,” or field of honor. All but a few of the French aristocracy were wiped out, but even more nobles died on the German side. The British upper classes also lost big time, but not as many as the Germans and the French. The irony is that the much maligned Kaiser Wilhelm—a nut to be sure, but a silly nut—refused to believe a war would break out between his cousin George V and his other first cousin Nicky, who ended up murdered along with all his family by the reds in a cellar. An even bigger irony is that Germany did her utmost until the last second to avoid going to war.

Here it is nice and simple. Serbia is an Austrian dominion, or whatever you want to call it. She is part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand visits Sarajevo and is shot dead along with his wife by a Serb nationalist with close ties to other Serb nationalists in the armed forces. Austria is outraged and makes heavy demands, as well she should. This is stretching it, but let’s have some fun. What would Uncle Sam have done if, say, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton had been cut down by some extremist in Puerto Rico? Well, I for one would vacation in San Juan the next day, and I’d spend lots of money too, but then I am known to say and do rash things. So the Serbs ask the Russians for help and guarantees in case the Austrians march in, and the Russians give it. The trouble is that the Russkis have a treaty with the French and the British that if they go to war, the other two will follow. So the Austrians ask the Germans for a guarantee and the Germans refuse to give it.

This is the big lie historians have perpetrated since World War I. They’ve refused to acknowledge this fact. According to most British writers, Germany pushed Austria to declare war on Russia and make war on Serbia. Germany in fact declared war on Russia once the silly Tsar had mobilized and sent hundreds of thousands of troops to its western front. (If a man’s about to punch you, you hit him first, which is why Germany declared war on Russia.)

Well, we all know the rest. Yes, the great powers sleepwalked into war, and war was declared while all foreign ministers involved were on holiday, the French one taking the waters in Vichy, the German getting married in Baden-Baden, the Englishman—and among the few desperate to keep Britain out—Sir Edward Grey somewhere up in Scotland, and all three monarchs on their respective yachts working on their gout. European civilization has never recovered. Russia in its drive to dismantle Turkey and have access to the Dardanelles wanted war with Turkey’s ally, Germany. France wanted war to avenge her 1870 drubbing by Germany that saw Prussian troops march down the Champs-Élysées. Britain, ever sneaky, wanted to limit German power and to surround her with hostile alliances. Serbia wanted to split the Austrian Empire. Germany had to stick with her brothers the Austrians and reluctantly went to war.

It is a very sad story, a great tragedy that didn’t fully end until 1945. The intervention of American troops saved the day for the imperialists, and the Treaty of Versailles and that awful man Wilson ensured that Germany would be put to the cross. Hitler was a direct result of the narrow-mindedness of the victorious allies, especially the frog Clemenceau. Oh yes, I almost forgot. Monsieur Caillaux went on to divorce his wife and marry Henriette. He lived until 1944, long enough to see the Germans marching down the Champs-Élysées daily.

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[M. Gerard]

As I see it, both the World Wars were about sweeping away the Christian monarchies. As this article notes, the nobles were killed off.

CHRISTIAN Europe/white civilization never recovered.

Who benefited?

I actually have a 50s history book somewhere that notes that the Jews were the only ones who benefited from WWI, because they got the Balfour Declaration out of it.

Then, as I learned in school, "because of Hitler," Israel had to be created.

[MikeTodd]

I actually have a 50s history book somewhere that notes that the Jews were the only ones who benefited from WWI, because they got the Balfour Declaration out of it.

A definition of "modern war". Any war where the jew benefits to the exclusion of all other parties.

[M. Gerard]

And, I want to add, as the European Christian monarchies lost their power, Europe and European colonies either became communist or "democratic" - two Jewish-hatched political ideologies, according to some.

[Serbian]

A few points

Here it is nice and simple. Serbia is an Austrian dominion, or whatever you want to call it. She is part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Is this guy for real? Serbia was not Austria's dominion and was not part of the Austrian Empire. Serb populated Bosnia was, as it had been annexed by the empire in 1878. You can spin it how you want but this annexation was the direct cause of WW1 as the majority of Bosnia's population at the time, Serbs and even Croats and Muslims, did not want to be ruled by foreigners and sought independence.

Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand visits Sarajevo and is shot dead along with his wife by a Serb nationalist with close ties to other Serb nationalists in the armed forces. Austria is outraged and makes heavy demands, as well she should.

Princip was a Yugoslav nationalist who sought the unification of all southern Slavs into one big multi ethnic Yugoslav state, this is much different from real Serbian nationalism. During his trial he stated "I am a Yugoslav nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Yugoslavs, and I do not care what form of state, but it must be freed from Austria." There were also muslims and Croats in Mlada Bosna (Young Bosnia), the movement he belonged to.

With regards to ultimatum issued to Serbia which was just an excuse for plans which had already been drawn up long ago to invade the country, no one mentions why Austria failed to issue similar demands to Italy over Guglielmo Oberdan, who was an Italian irredentist, after his attempt to assassinate Austrian Emperor Francis Joseph. Oberdan become a martyr of the Italian unification movement.

more on him

He was born in the city of Trieste, then part of the Austrian Empire. His mother was a Slovene woman from Šempas in the County of Gorizia and Gradisca, while his father, Valentino Falcier, was a Venetian soldier in the Austrian army. He did not recognize his son, so Wilhelm took his mother's surname. He was educated in an Italian cultural milieu, embraced irredentist ideas and Italianized his name to "Guglielmo Oberdan". In 1877 he enrolled at the Vienna's College of Technology (now Vienna University of Technology) where he studied engineering. As he supported the idea of independence for all of the empire's national groups he resented the occupation of Bosnia-Herzegovina by Austria-Hungary and therefore deserted from the Austro-Hungarian Army because he did not want to take part in military activities there. Instead, he fled to Rome to continue his studies. In the Italian capital he adopted irredentist ideas, aiming at the annexation to Italy of the Italian lands still under the Austro-Hungarian rule. In 1882 he met with irredentist leader and co-founder Matteo Renato Imbriani. It was then that he came to the conviction that only radical acts of martyrdom could bring the liberation of Trieste from Austrian rule.

The assassination attempt[edit]

In the same year, Emperor Franz Joseph was planning a visit to Trieste as part of the celebration of the 500th anniversary of Habsburg dominion over the city. Although the city had earned itself the honorific title of urbs fidelissima ("most faithful city") for its non-participation in the revolutions of the 1840s, the city was nonetheless a hotbed for Italian irredentists. The ceremonies were accompanied by anti-Austrian demonstrations. At this opportunity, Oberdan and Istrian pharmacist Donato Ragosa plotted an assassination attempt on the Emperor. Oberdan's attempt failed. Oberdan was arrested and sentenced to hang by an Austrian court. Just before the execution, he cried "Viva l'Italia!" (Long live Italy!), which helped establish his later reputation as a martyr of the Italian National cause. Statues of him were erected in towns and cities throughout unified Italy. The subsequent assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914, and the revival of irredentism that followed, harked back to Oberdan's earlier attempt.

What would Uncle Sam have done if, say, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton had been cut down by some extremist in Puerto Rico?

I don't see the act (murder of Franz Ferdinand) in itself as an extremist act, even though I view the motive which was pan slavic Yugoslavianism just as hostile to Serbian national interests as the AU Empire.

Serbia wanted to split the Austrian Empire.

Wrong. Serbia basically gave in to all the demands of the July 1914 ultimatum except one, which was to give up its sovereignty and allow Austrian police to come into Serbia and conduct investigation and operations.

Serbs from Bosnia (in which there was no Austrian population btw) wanted freedom from the empire and to be allowed to join with Serbia, they didnt care about anything else.

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by M. Gerard

And, I want to add, as the European Christian monarchies lost their power, Europe and European colonies either became communist or "democratic" - two Jewish-hatched political ideologies, according to some.

All European Christian monarchies were degenerate, corrupt ,and in bed with the jews.

[Serbian]

Keep in mind that in 1876 Serbia went to war with Turkey and liberated Bosnia, yet some two years later at the Congress of Berlin Austria persuaded the great powers to give back Bosnia to Turkey, under Austria's 'protection'.

Austria would rather Turkey at its doorstep than an indepenmdent Serbian state, especially one with access to the sea, which is why they even created muslim Albania

Austro-Hungarian foreign minister Count Berchtold was determined to prevent Serbia from becoming a maritime state by creating an independent Albania (Muslim state in Europe)—and was apparently willing to resort to military means to achieve this goal. On November 28 1912 Albania declared independence with full support from Austria-Hungary.

[M. Gerard]

Originally Posted by Serbian

All European Christian monarchies were degenerate, corrupt ,and in bed with the jews.

Yeah, well the Jews never stop, do they? And when the government falls and the people are mongrelized, the Jews are still standing. They planned it that way. That's the problem.

What I'm wondering is if these "Italians" mentioned weren't crypto-Jews.