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Old October 2nd, 2005 #121
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The jew didn't actually dispute the quotes.

The reasoning of the jew was like "Sure, we write that even the best of the goyim should be killed, but somewhere else in the Talmud we write "Thou shalt not kill" so it's OK."

I'll check on that. That's why I hate debating religous scripture because it is usually full of contradictions and the supporters of said literature will always come up with the most mind-boggling explanations for something. Even if what he were saying were true- point out the massive contradiction.

Also if both quotes are genuine they both have "equal footing" meaning they would have no grounds to say, this is the quote we follow- not this. If they did we would have to ask why follow one and not the other and more importantly, why even INCLUDE the opposite quote at all?
 
Old October 2nd, 2005 #122
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I'll check on that. That's why I hate debating religous scripture because it is usually full of contradictions and the supporters of said literature will always come up with the most mind-boggling explanations for something. Even if what he were saying were true- point out the massive contradiction.

Also if both quotes are genuine they both have "equal footing" meaning they would have no grounds to say, this is the quote we follow- not this. If they did we would have to ask why follow one and not the other and more importantly, why even INCLUDE the opposite quote at all?
Yes, your reasoning is the kind of reasoning that can solve the Gordian knots of the Talmud. All it takes is logic and common sense -- which are two things that the rabbis are lacking. If it makes sense, the rabbis shriek to the sky and rip their shirts to tatters, howling and screaming they accuse you or being an ant-semite and an unbeliever in an attempt to get you to forget that you actually won the argument.
 
Old October 2nd, 2005 #123
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Yes, your reasoning is the kind of reasoning that can solve the Gordian knots of the Talmud. All it takes is logic and common sense -- which are two things that the rabbis are lacking. If it makes sense, the rabbis shriek to the sky and rip their shirts to tatters, howling and screaming they accuse you or being an ant-semite and an unbeliever in an attempt to get you to forget that you actually won the argument.

Thank you but let's remember that the same style of contradictions and irrational statements exist in other works of Jewish literature as well *Cough..cough*.
 
Old October 3rd, 2005 #124
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The jews and their Christian TV whores frequently quote passages from the Koran, don't they ?? And Jews condemn bible passages they don't like, such as: "And the jews cried, "crucify him, crucify him. And let His blood be upon us and our children." (In fact Mel Gibson omitted that passage from his movie for fear of his life, remember?)

Therefore, since everybody knows that the jews raise hell about passages from both the Koran and the Bible, then who can honestly complain about us quoting and raising hell about passages in the Talmud ???

Furthermore, since there are many thousands of White Christians who've already been convinced the Talmud is as vile, evil and blood thirsty as we say it is, then logic tells us there's bound to be many thousands (even millions) more out there who can be convinced, as well.

Our job therefore, is to make our Talmud Expose Project as articulate, professional, and as persuasive as we possibly can. Then our consciences will be clear.
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Old October 10th, 2005 #125
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"The Last Temptation of Christ" An Unnecessary Disaster in Christian-Jewish Relations

By Rev. Ted Pike

It was the most savage, blasphemous attack on Jesus that ever came out of Hollywood. Church leaders were aghast after-previewing "The Last Temptation of Christ." Jesus was portrayed as a charlatan, a lecher, a fool.

Yet Hollywood was promising more. At least another film spectacular was in the works that was touted to be even more extreme, shattering all that is sacred concerning our Lord.

Dr. Jerry Falwell, at the height of national prestige during the late 1980’s, made a very well publicized threat to the Hollywood film moguls. He said, in effect, that if they continued to distribute "The Last Temptation of Christ," it could mean a disaster for Jewish-Christian relations. Why Jewish-Christian relations? Because Falwell was broadly hinting that MCA, producer of the film, was Jewish owned and controlled.

MCA was undaunted. Yet what could I do, where hundreds of public protests, tens of thousands of letters to Hollywood failed to stop this anti-Christ juggernaut?

The answer: get specific.

I wrote a brochure entitled, "The Real Reason Behind the Last Temptation of Christ." I named the owners and directors of MCA, identifying them as Jewish. Further, I pointed out that the central, blasphemous theme of the movie precisely reflected the blasphemy against Christ within the greatest spiritual and legal authority of Judaism, the Babylonian Talmud. The Talmud, written by the pharisees, the same evil Jewish leaders who had Christ crucified, remains the greatest spiritual authority for religious Jews – far surpassing the Old Testament. Here, from my brochure, is how "The Last Temptation" compares with the Talmud.



THE LAST TEMPTATION


TALMUD*

*The Babylonian Talmud, translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein, Soncino Press, London


JESUS MISGUIDED, FOOLISH

JESUS: All my life I’ve been followed by voices." "I’m ashamed when I think of all the mistakes I’ve made – all the wrong ways I’ve looked for God."


"He was a fool, and we do not pay attention to what fools do." Sanhedrin 67a (uncensored version)

JESUS A TRAITOR, DECEIVER

Jesus, a carpenter, is in business making crosses for the Romans. He assists in crucifying Jewish freedom fighters.

Jesus was a "bloody and deceitful" man. Sanhedrin 106b (uncensored) He was counted among the "sinners of Israel," one of the three greatest enemies Israel has ever known. Gittin 56b, 57a

JESUS AN APOSTATE

JESUS: "I never tell the truth…I don’t have the courage. I want to rebel against…God." "Lucifer is inside me." This movie repeatedly suggests Christ does miracles through Satan.


Jesus. "…practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy." Sanhedrin 43a


JESUS IMMORAL, BLASPHEMOUS

Jesus watches Mary Magdalene all day as she has sex with many customers. Mary Magdalene says: "You’re pitiful. I hate you!" Jesus says, "I’m the Saint of Blasphemy!"


Jesus was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman. In his ensuing grief he fell down and worshipped a brick. Sanhedrin 106a (uncensored version)

JESUS NOT GOD, MESSIAH

"The Last Temptation of Christ" lends credence to the traditional rabbinic view that Christ was not God incarnate. He was not divinely conceived, but was an imposter, a misfit to his people and tradition. JESUS: "How could I be the Messiah? I wanted to kill the people stoning Mary!" "I am a man like everyone else!"

Jesus was born out of wedlock: Mary "…who was descendant of princes and governors, played the harlot with carpenters." Sanhedrin 106b Jesus was killed by "…stoning, burning, decapitation, and strangling…he met his death at the age of thirty-three…he had no portion in the world to come." Sanhedrin 106a, 106b He is now in hell, "punished with boiling hot excrement." Gittin 56b, 57a
Our National Prayer Network sent this brochure to 192,000 evangelical pastors in America, virtually all of whom were aware of Falwell’s threat.

I was expecting an avalanche of criticism saying, "How dare you criticize God’s chosen people!" Instead, I received only six critical letters and many hundreds of orders for my book, "Israel: Our Duty…Our Dilemma" and video documentary, "The Other Israel."

I was amazed at the lack of criticism. So was the Anti-Defamation League, who angrily claimed that my report of such small criticism was a lie.

Several years ago, a prominent national Jewish leader said that "The Last Temptation of Christ" was the biggest public relations disaster in Jewish-Christian relations during the last century. I never intended my expose to cause a disaster between Christians and the Jewish people. Yet, tragically, evil Jewish leaders had made it such by basing their film on blasphemies from the Talmud. This caused untold Christians and Americans to throw the blame on "the Jews," just as the German people did before WWII.

The Jewish owners of MCA had not counted on anyone having the courage to specifically blame false Jewish leadership. They knew most Christian/conservative leaders [even knowing of the Jewish origins of the film] would never point the finger beyond such obscure terminology as "Hollywood moguls" or "secular humanist media," etc. Yet the outspokenness of Jerry Falwell, plus my even more specific mass-mailing, had shown a glaring floodlight on them.

The mega-blasphemous follow-up movie was never made.

Do you want to know how to save America? Answer, have the courage to get specific concerning false Jewish leadership behind the media.

If you do not, the Jewish media will continue to trample on everything that is sacred to our faith and liberty.
Christianity will suffer.

And so will the Jewish people.

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With anti-Jewish feeling on the rise worldwide, it is now necessary to criticize false Jewish leadership, which, by its anti-Christianity, stimulates a backlash of anti-semitism against the Jewish people in general. Only by restraining such leadership can Christians be assured that a remnant of the Jewish people will be preserved from possible persecution to fulfill their destiny of restoration to faith in Christ at his Second Coming.

Rev. Ted Pike is head of the National Prayer Network, a Christian, conservative watchdog organization. He can be contacted for interview at 503-631-3808, website www.hatelawsexposed.org, or P.O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 97045.
 
Old November 6th, 2005 #126
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I just now noticed the above article. How many followers does Ted Pike have? I never heard of him. Mighty insightful and effective article though.

I'm hopeful that the Soncino Talmud will be posted on govnn.com soon. Just waiting for the preliminary work to be completed.
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Old November 6th, 2005 #127
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I just now noticed the above article. How many followers does Ted Pike have? I never heard of him. Mighty insightful and effective article though.

I'm hopeful that the Soncino Talmud will be posted on govnn.com soon. Just waiting for the preliminary work to be completed.

I don't know how many followers he has, but here is his website.

http://www.truthtellers.org/
 
Old November 20th, 2005 #128
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hurry up and get what you can on the talmud.
the rabbis back in shitsreal are putting the white out to them.
afraid of what people might find?
 
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