RFM Debate: Brad Griffin ("Hunter Wallace") and Alex Linder

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Jethro

In the 1960s, twice as many people lived in Birmingham, the Iron Bowl was there, Fortune 500 companies were located there, and it was a "New South" rival to Atlanta. How has Birmingham fared under 33 years of an integrated negro government and 47 years of the Great Society welfare state?

In 2012, it is an economic powerhouse like Selma, Prichard, Tuskegee, Eutaw, Union Springs, Uniontown, Marion, Demopolis, Camden, Lowndesboro and the west side of Montgomery. Drive through any of those cities and counties and look specifically at the housing stock and it looks like an EMP pulse neutron bomb went off around 1965.

The only thing that flourishes in those areas is title pawn stores, car washes, and dollar stores. Earlier this year, I started working on a documentary called "Freedom Failed" which I hope will empirically prove that niggers are incapable of supporting anything beyond a dollar store economy.

I plan to return to that next year. The secessionists in Catalonia are using that economic argument to great effect. Is freedom and equality good for business? The answer is no.

Good stuff.

What's useful is to really take this stuff in hand, as the christian anti-feminists say.

Take someone like me. Of course I know the bigger picture.

But what is Alabama? What is the state contextual change from pre-'civil rights' to post-'disintegration'?

Sum that up as pithily and memorably as you can, that it will linger powerfully in men's minds, that they may know Alabama and her changes in a useful sense.

[Jethro]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Find me a single Southern Baptist who will trace our nation's moral decline to jews running the mass media and Hollywood. Find a single one who will admit it's all part of a strategy laid out publicly in The Authoritarian Personality.

You can't find a single one who will do that.

Southern Baptists are idiots. Period. The leaders are fools and crooks. The followers are dirt-eating morons.

See the story above.

That's how we put an end to black majority rule and restored our way of life. I have a picture of the historical monument somewhere.

[N.B. Forrest]

Slap some dueling scars on the war crime-committing bastard and you'd have Ernst Rohm's twin bro.

[Martin Simard]

Giles doesn't realize how poorly he came off in that last radio discussion. He presented himself as a man whose loyalty to Christianity is entirely based on the feelings of nostalgia he has for his childhood. A stronger man is willing to face up to the truth that much of what we are taught as children is neither true nor necessary.

[Jethro]

Here's another story about fomenting revolution and destroying the Union:

“Eufaula, Alabama occupies an important but little understood role in the events leading to the secession of Alabama in 1861. During the decade prior to the outbreak of the Civil War members of a small but vocal group based in the city, the so-called “Eufaula Regency,” worked as outspoken advocates for the rights of slaveholders and urged consideration of secession as a viable remedy for Southern grievances over the issue of slavery. The group has been recognized widely by historians as perhaps the most consistent secessionists in the state of Alabama in the 1850s. It was involved in the publication of one of the most stridently secessionist newspapers in the South, and some of its members were responsible for an outrageous pro-slavery scheme during the 1850s which briefly placed it in the middle of a national controversy….

Especially in the early 1850s, some even backed independent, “Southern Rights Party” or “State-Rights Party” candidates for office. William L. Yancey, who was quickly becoming widely recognized as a leading spokesman for Southern interests on a national level, took the lead in urging the formation of Associations throughout Alabama. Revealing the level of political agitation in the state, by February of 1851 there were an estimated 25 Southern Rights Associations operating in 14 Alabama counties. Five centers of this “fire-eating” sentiment soon emerged as the loci of Alabama’s nascent secessionist movement: Cahaba, Montgomery, Mobile, Jacksonville/Talladega, and Eufaula.
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The Eufaula Association, in which the Regency played an important role, soon separated itself from its peers and established itself in the vanguard of the secession movement with its radical agenda. Rejecting the Compromise of 1850 and the cautionary nature of the wait-and-see stance of its fellow associations publicly endorsed, the Eufaula group thought in bolder, and large, terms than most Alabamians. They urged Southerners to “discard all past political differences” and “turn aside from the submissionist as your worst enemy.” Striking a dramatic if provincial tone, they also suggested that Southerners “exclude all Northern newspapers from our midst” and “patronize Southern ministers and churches.” In the words of historian J. Mills Thornton III, whose illuminating study of antebellum Alabama discusses the Regency as a somewhat unique factor in state politics, the Eufaula Association “embraced long-term agitation to convert the entire electorate to resistance” and desired to “launch a crusade to convince the citizenry of the justice of the southern rights cause.” One of its primary moving forces, Regency member Jefferson Buford, clearly illuminated its position in an editorial printed in Eufaula and Montgomery newspapers in 1851 by arguing that it took: “a very long time for new ideas to enter and imbue the public mind, and then they must, as it were, sink into our very bones and marrow and become a part of our being before they develop the fruit of action … we must organize, agitate, persevere, endure; if we cannot, we are unworthy of our rights.” …

Many other prominent citizens of Eufaula and the surrounding region, including newspaper publisher John Black, and later Confederate Brigadier General Cullen A. Battle and lawyer, Confederate colonel and later governor of Alabama William C. Oates, lawyer, publisher and soldier Tennant Lomax, were also associated to varying degrees with the Regency. Politicians and editors elsewhere in the state and region were known to sympathize with the group, none more so than William L. Yancey. Yancey was not only one of the primary reasons for the group’s existence by way of his support for the formation of Southern Rights Associations, but a constant ally of the Eufaula group and a personal friend of many of its members.

Regency members formally announced their stance, and informally, the extent of the local influence, on October 15, 1850 when the weekly Eufaula Democrat officially changed its name to the Spirit of the South. Featuring a masthead boldly proclaiming “Equality in Union or Independence Out of It,” editors Alpheus Baker and proprietor John Black positioned the paper to become the foremost publication in the region to work in support of Southern interests as well as the unofficial organ for the Regency …

The paper continually and forcefully agitated in favor of secession throughout the 1850s to a degree almost unrivaled in the state of Alabama and only rarely so in other Southern states. A leading forum for secessionist thought, it continued in publication until the middle of the Civil War. It regularly featured articles and editorials from around the South and nation discussing the growing sectional tension over the issue of slavery and closely followed debate over legislation that might impact the institution. Especially in its early years, it also carried updates on the activities of other Southern Rights Associations in the region and lashed out at fellow Southern citizens who refused to join them in their crusade.

The paper’s editors claimed it would not support any political party, but rather, attempt to “unite all Southern men in firm resistance to Northern aggression.” Repeatedly, they attempted to remind readers of its bipartisan nature by claiming that “our friendship has not been for Whig or Democrat, but for him who was ready to rise up strike for his country.”

There was jubilant celebration in Barbour County upon hearing of the secession of South Carolina in December 1860. Admist the parading of militia companies, fireworks, ringing of bells and booming of cannon, Regency members Alpheus Baker and Eli Sims Shorter gave public addresses heralding the occasion. Less than a month later, the entire scene would be repeated when Alabama voted to secede on January 11, 1861. Regency member Jeremiah N. Williams was one of several to address a raucous crowd in Clayton at a party that lasted into the early hours of the morning, while Lewis L. Cato threw a party at his home in Eufaula which, according to legend, was attended by William L. Yancey.

Among the group of men that had led the state out of the Union at the Alabama secession convention in Montgomery were two of the Regency’s most recognized spokesmen, Alpheus Baker and John Cochran. John W. Izner, a delegate to the secession convention from St. Clair County, would later recall the Regency members present and leave a colorful account of the scene of their triumph. When several local woman came to present the convention a flag featuring patriotic mottoes emblazoned on it, convention president William McLin Brooks turned to Alpheus Baker and asked him to accept the banner. In “a perfect Niagara of eloquence,” Baker spoke to the assembly as if “the speaker seemed to have dipped down from the eternal world for that special purpose and on that extraordinary occasion.” Regency members must have relished the moment, as the prospect of an independent Southern nation seemed on the verge of becoming a reality.

Symbolically, though, the high point for the Eufaula Regency came in August of 1861 with the election of John Gill Shorter as governor of Alabama after a campaign begun by a few Regency members. In what must have certainly seemed like a triumphant vindication of over a decade of effort to shape public opinion, one of the most respected Regency members took office as the state’s chief executive.”

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Martin Simard

Giles doesn't realize how poorly he came off in that last radio discussion. He presented himself as a man whose loyalty to Christianity is entirely based on the feelings of nostalgia he has for his childhood. A stronger man is willing to face up to the truth that much of what we are taught as children is neither true nor necessary.

Funny, my rejection of Christianity is largely based on my childhood feelings of loathing that I felt for Judaic biblical characters that I was introduced to at an early age when attending church with my family.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by RFM

It's a wee bit more than simply technical work. You need me a lot more than I need you.

Don't kid yourself, son.

[fossilator]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

This is good stuff, Jethro, keep it coming.

Love of money more than kin. And Feminore Cooper is no Southron saying that, if I recall. He's a Yankee, more or less himself.

Yup. Something interesting about Cooper. James Fenimore Cooper was an ardent Germanophile, and his adventures through the German countryside prompted the novels 'The Bravo', 'The Heidenmauer' and 'The Headsman'. Susan Fenimore Cooper, the author’s daughter (and a nature writer), wrote of how her father decided to write "The Deerslayer":

“In the year 1709 a large party of Protestant Germans from the Palatinate, fleeing from the effects of religious persecution, and the poverty brought upon Rhenish Germany by the wars of Louis XIV., emigrated to America under the patronage of Queen Anne. Some three thousand crossed the Atlantic at this period. Many of these settled in Pennsylvania, others on the Hudson, others at the German Flats on the Mohawk. A colony of several hundred of these worthy industrious people settled on the banks of the Schoharie [New York] in 1711. … Natty, hero of "The Leather-Stocking Tales", and Hurry Harry are supposed to have approached Lake Otsego from the little colony on the Schoharie, founded thirty years earlier by the ‘Palatines,’ as they were called.

“There was a village of the Mohegans on the Schoharie, at the foot of a hill called by them ‘Mohegonter,’ or ‘the falling away of the Mohegan Hill.’ These Mohegans came, it is said, originally from the eastward, beyond the Hudson. The clan is reported to have numbered some three hundred warrieors when the Germans arrived among them. A tortoise and a serpent were the tokens of this clan. documents, chiefly sales of land to the Germans, still exist bearing their signatures in this shape.”

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by RFM

Let us not waste each others time then. I will free up your schedule. The Monday interview/debate is cancelled.

Ah, good ol' Jim. Same hotheaded dope he ever was.

Ok then. I will tape a little me-alone discussion of something interesting on Monday. It won't be two hours. But it will be worth listening to.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Mack

Talk about venomous hate. These screwballs-hardball on msnbc are extreme.they make kkk look like schoolgirls. They rub yer face in crap which their audience are made up of mostly fanatical toons who are on a gov dole.

Those are a bunch of Irish Catholic pantyliners. Anyone with an oz of brains (there goes 90% of the South) knows the anchors are a goyish facade on a jewish operation.

And what about Fox News?

For every tremblin' Chrissy Matthews, there's a somersaultin' Shep Smith (from Mississipping-spermi).

A pox on both your International Houses of Chickenshit.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Jethro

Specifically, they clash with Jews on gay marriage, faggotry in general, feminism, abortion, the traditional family, and other social issues related to the Jewish support for cultural degeneracy, which is why they vote Republican over at Kosher Republic.

The "godless liberals" are destroying the family and ruining the culture, etc. Those godless liberal are often Jews, but they lump them together with White liberals and respond to them as the same menacing force.

Except the jews go after their enemies by name, whereas the christians dont. The jews always win. The christians don't have the courage to name and fight theri real enemy. And of course many of them don't have the brains to figure it out either.

Point is, when you fight the same way for decades and never win, you have to mix it up at some point. But christians never do. Because their leaders are bought off either not to fight or to fight in ways that don't work. And the laymen are too dumb/cowed to figure out the scam.

If christianity worked in opposing illiberal kikes, the Nazis would have used it. It doesn't work. You have to go a different direction if you actually want to defeat the jews.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Jethro

It is another example of the Southern honor based culture.

A Yankee can insult a Southerner without meaning any harm in doing so. The Southerner will take great offense at any sign of disrespect or dishonorable behavior. The Yankee culture is based on guilt and materialism.

A Southerner would rather be ripped off than disrespected. A Yankee would rather be disrespected than ripped off.

What this amounts to in practice is a stiff society where looking at anything any too closely is impossible. Without realizing it you have identified why the South loses: its culture is inherently anti-intellectual and anti-analytical. How can you challenge hierarchy -- or anything -- without disrespecting it?

Southern culture is perfectly set up to be preyed on by ratty little jews who care nothing for appearances and everything for reality and are obsessed with difference-making details the Southerners can't notice.

[Jimmy Marr]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Except the jews go after their enemies by name, whereas the christians dont. The jews always win. The christians don't have the courage to name and fight theri real enemy. And of course many of them don't have the brains to figure it out either.

Point is, when you fight the same way for decades and never win, you have to mix it up at some point. But christians never do. Because their leaders are bought off either not to fight or to fight in ways that don't work. And the laymen are too dumb/cowed to figure out the scam.

If christianity worked in opposing illiberal kikes, the Nazis would have used it. It doesn't work. You have to go a different direction if you actually want to defeat the jews.

Yeah, and what exacerbates the North/South divide is that Southerners treat the Negroes as their paramount enemies, which is giving them vastly too much credit.

Who the heck has enemies with an average I.Q. of 85?

If they'd take on the Jewish elite, they'd eventually be seen by Northern liberals as the underdogs rather than as dumb ass bullies.

[Jethro]

Here's another except from Cavalier and Yankee by William R. Taylor:

Cavalier and Yankee: The Old South and American National Character: William R. Taylor: 9780195082845: Amazon.com: Books

Cavalier and Yankee: The Old South and American National Character: William R. Taylor: 9780195082845: Amazon.com: Books

[Mack]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

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And what about Fox News?

Fox News=MSM

Pisses me off about O’reilly, Hanity, and all, they keep refering Obama as our president when white males voted against this nig nog.

When Bush 2 became President, Al Sharpcoon said,” he’s not my president" Rightfully so.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

I think you will find that the Welsh would take great offense at being referred to as Angles or Anglo-Saxons. I know I would, being more than a little Welsh myself.

For your own peace of mind, I strongly suggest you never travel to the UK after visiting Germany. Or vice versa. Unhappy things will leap into your mind, unbidden.

[Martin Simard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Marr

Yeah, and what exacerbates the North/South divide is that Southerners treat the Negroes as their paramount enemies, which is giving them vastly too much credit.

Who the heck has enemies with an average I.Q. of 85?

If they'd take on the Jewish elite, they'd eventually be seen by Northern liberals as the underdogs rather than as dumb ass bullies.

My Southern relatives think that the labor unions are run by Blacks. Southerners have an exaggerated view of Black power.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

For your own peace of mind, I strongly suggest you never travel to the UK after visiting Germany. Or vice versa. Unhappy things will leap into your mind, unbidden.

Germany is a fine country, for Germans.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Jethro

Here's how the James Fenimore Cooper illustrated the cultural differences between Southerners and Yankees back in 1821. Harvey Birch could be Greg Johnson:

I added this excellent quotation to our yankee-mentality thread:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=141755

[Alex Linder]

You haven't heard of the Johnson Space Center in Houston?
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/home/index.html[/QUOTE]

I never heard of any Germans associated with it as they were with Huntsville.