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Old September 6th, 2005 #1
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Default American revolution play out circa Russia 1917

Will "American Revolution' play out as it did in Russia circa 1917? under enough pressure, ZOG would collapse quickly.

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Russian Revolution of 1917
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Old September 6th, 2005 #2
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There was nothing quick about the Russian Revolution. The Communists did not control the country untiil the early 1920s. Rather than a faction seizing the government here, I believe it will fade into irrelevance.
 
Old September 6th, 2005 #3
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Wouldn't you compare Bolsheviks to ZOGsters?
 
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Default The ingredients are there, similar to Russia 1917 revolution-civil war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_of_1917

The Russian Revolution of 1917 was a political movement in Russia that climaxed in 1917 with the overthrow of the Provisional Government that had replaced the Russian Tsar system, and led to the establishment of the Soviet Union, which lasted until its collapse in 1991.

The Revolution can be viewed in two distinct phases:

The first was that of the February Revolution of 1917, which displaced the autocracy of Tsar Nicholas II of Russia, the last effective Tsar of Russia, and sought to establish in its place a liberal republic.
The second phase was the October Revolution, in which the Soviets, inspired and increasingly controlled by Vladimir Lenin's Bolshevik party, seized power from the Provisional Government. This second revolution was especially widesweeping, affected both urban areas and the countryside. While many notable historical events occurred in Moscow and St.Petersburg, there was also a broadbased movement in the rural areas as peasants seized and redistributed land.
the two Revolutions of 1917 were broken down into two main parts: the overthrow of the tsarist regime (February Revolution) and the creation of the world’s first Communist state (October Revolution). The causes of these two revolutions encompass Russia’s political, social, and economic situation. Politically, the people of Russia resented the dictatorship of Tsar Nicholas II. The losses that the Russians suffered during World War I further weakened Russia’s view of Nicholas. Socially, the despotic tsarist regime had oppressed the peasant class for centuries. This caused unrest within the lower peasant class causing riots to break out. Economically, widespread inflation and famine in Russia contributed to the revolution.

Ultimately, a combination of these three, coupled with the leadership of Vladimir Lenin, led to the Russian Revolution.


The economic causes of the Russian Revolution were based largely on the Czar's mis-management, compounded by World War I. Over fifteen million men joined the army, which left an insufficient number of workers in the factories and on the farms. The result was widespread shortages of food and materials. Factory workers had to endure terrible working conditions, including twelve to fourteen hour days and low wages. Many riots and strikes for better conditions and higher wages broke out. Although some factories agreed to the requests for higher wages, wartime inflation nullified the increase. There was one protest to which Nicholas responded with violence (see Causes: Political); in response, industrial workers went on strike and effectively paralyzed the railway and transportation networks. What few supplies were available could not be effectively transported. As goods became more and more scarce, prices skyrocketed. By 1917, famine threatened many of the larger cities. Nicholas's failure to solve his country's economic suffering and communism's promise to do just that comprised the core of the Revolution. i am only editing this as it is a boring peice of work and it needs a bit of light shone upon it!!!!!!

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Social
The social causes of the Russian Revolution mainly stemmed from centuries of oppression towards the lower classes by the Czarist regime and Nicholas's failures in World War I. Roughly 85% of the Russian people were peasants, under harsh oppression from the upper classes and the Czarist regime. Serfdom is most often associated with the Middle Ages, yet it accurately describes the social situation in Russia under Nicholas: A small class of noble landowners controlled a vast number of indentured peasants. In 1861, Czar Alexander II of Russia emancipated these peasants not for moral reasons, but because it was preventing Russia from advancing socially. This newfound freedom was of limited use, however, since they now had no land to work. As a result, the government drafted new terms that gave the peasants set amounts of land to cultivate. However, the amount of land they were given was insufficient, thus mass riots broke out. World War I only added to the chaos. The vast demand for factory production of war supplies and workers caused many more labor riots and strikes. In addition, because more factory workers were needed, peasants moved out of the country and into the cities, which soon became overpopulated, and living conditions rapidly grew worse. Furthermore, as more food was needed for the soldiers, the food supply behind the front grew scarce. By 1917, famine threatened many of the larger cities. Overall, all of the aforementioned contributed to the vast discontent of the Russian citizens, which further motivated the Revolution.

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Political
The Political aspect of the Russian Revolution is essentially the combination or result of the Social and Economic problems created by the dictatorship of Czar Nicholas II. Since at least 1904, Russia's lower class workers had faced a dire economic situation. Most of them were working 11 hour days. Health and safety provisions were dismal, and wages were falling. There were numerous strikes and protests as time went on. Almost all of these were either ignored by Nicholas or broken up, often in a violent and deadly fashion (see Bloody Sunday). His failed attempt at conquest in and around Manchuria was also very unpopular with the people. Some in the educated classes (many educated in the West) of Russia also resented the autocracy of Nicholas. In 1915, things took a critical turn for the worse when Nicholas decided to take direct command of the army, personally overseeing Russia's main warfront and leaving his incapable wife Alexandra in charge of the government. By the end of October 1916, Russia had lost between 1.6 and 1.8 million soldiers, with an addition two million prisoners of war and one million who had gone missing, which likely did little for the army's morale. Mutinies began to occur, and in 1916 reports of fraternizing with the enemy started to circulate. Soldiers went hungry and lacked shoes, munitions, and even weapons. Rampant discontent lowered morale, only to be further undermined by a series of military defeats. Nicholas was blamed, and what little support he had left began to crumble. As this discontent and utter hate of Nicholas grew, the State Duma (lower class of Russian parliament comprised of landowners, townspeople, industrial workers, and peasants) issued a warning to Nicholas in November 1916 stating that disaster would overtake the country unless a constitutional form of government was put in place. In typical fashion, Nicholas ignored them. As a result, Russia's Czarist regime collapsed a few months later during the February Revolution of 1917. A year later, the Czar and his family were executed. Ultimately, Nicholas's inept handling of his country and the War destroyed the Czarist regime and cost him both his rule and his life.

February Revolution
Main article: February Revolution.

The February Revolution came about almost spontaneously when people of Petrograd protested against the tsarist regime because of food shortages in the city.

There was also great dissatisfaction with Russia's continued involvement in the First World War. As the protests grew, various political reformists (both liberal and radical left) started to coordinate some activity. In early February the protests turned violent as large numbers of city residents rioted and clashed with police and soldiers. When the bulk of the soldiers garrisoned in the Russian capital Petrograd joined the protests, they turned into a revolution ultimately leading to the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II in a nearly bloodless transition of power.

A new Provisional Government was formed, also called the Duma, while elections were being planned. Between February and October revolutionists attempted to foment further change, working through the Petrograd Soviet or more directly. In July, the Petrograd Bolsheviks, in combination with the Petrograd anarchists, fomented a civil revolt. This revolt failed.

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October Revolution
Main article: October Revolution.

The October Revolution was led by Lenin and was based upon the ideas of Karl Marx. It marked the beginning of the spread of communism in the twentieth century. It was far less sporadic than the revolution of February and came about as the result of deliberate planning and coordinated activity to that end. The financial and logistical assistance of German intelligence via their key agent, Alexander Parvus was a key component as well.

On November 7, 1917, Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin led his leftist revolutionaries in a nearly bloodless revolt against the ineffective Provisional Government (Russia was still using the Julian Calendar at the time, so period references show an October 25 date). The October Revolution ended the phase of the revolution instigated in February, replacing Russia's short-lived provisional government with a Soviet one. Although many bolsheviks (such as Leon Trotsky) supported a soviet democracy, the 'reform from above' model gained definitive power when Lenin died and Stalin gained control of the USSR. Trotsky and his supporters, as well as a number of other democratically-minded communists, were persecuted and eventually imprisoned or killed.

After October 1917, many Esers (Socialist-Revolutionaries) and Russian Anarchists opposed the Bolsheviks through the soviets. When this failed, they revolted in a series of events calling for "a third revolution." The most notable instances were the Tambov rebellion, 1919 - 1921, and the Kronstadt rebellion in March 1921. These movements, which made a wide range of demands and lacked effective coordination, were eventually crushed during the Civil War.

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Main article: Russian Civil War.

The Russian Civil War, which broke out in 1918 shortly after the revolution, brought death and suffering to millions of people regardless of their political orientation. The war was fought mainly between the "Reds", the communists and revolutionaries, and the "Whites" - the monarchists, conservatives, liberals and moderate socialists who opposed the Bolshevik Revolution. The Whites had backing from nations such as the UK,France,USA and Japan.

Also during the Civil War, Nestor Makhno led a Ukrainian anarchist movement which generally cooperated with the Bolsheviks. However, a Bolshevik force under Mikhail Frunze destroyed the Makhnovist movement, when the Makhnovists refused to merge into the Red Army. In addition, the so-called "Green Army" (nationalists and anarchists) played a secondary role in the war, mainly in Ukraine.
 
Old September 7th, 2005 #5
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More like the Spanish Civil War.

Really, read up on that and you'll know what I mean.

In the Spanish Civil War "anarchists" fought to preserve the Second Republic!

The union ZOG has with the marxist terror groups, ARA/ JDL, others will be made known publicly in the future.

We need to make the WN agenda profitable for the White elites.
 
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Here's a good site about the Spanish Civil War.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...-Civil-War.htm

Particularly interesting are the International Brigades organized by the COMINTERN.
 
Old September 8th, 2005 #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghetto-Blaster
More like the Spanish Civil War.

Really, read up on that and you'll know what I mean.

In the Spanish Civil War "anarchists" fought to preserve the Second Republic!

The union ZOG has with the marxist terror groups, ARA/ JDL, others will be made known publicly in the future.

We need to make the WN agenda profitable for the White elites.
You want to be High King of the White elites, kiddo?

What's your agenda? I'm not opposed to an aristocracy or monarchy. What do you have to offer? Please elaborate.
 
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Quote:
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You want to be High King of the White elites, kiddo?
No. I want to revive White elites.
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What's your agenda? I'm not opposed to an aristocracy or monarchy. What do you have to offer? Please elaborate.
I have an idea on part of what we need to do. Read this thread no one responded to at SF,

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=225502

We are fighting wars against Iraqis with an IQ of 92-94 when we could be fighting Africans with IQs of 62!

The Niggers only protest when the Jews allow and encourage them when it suits their agenda, ie. Snivel Rights and Apartheid. The reason the Niggers aren't demonstrating about Sudan is because they are kept from doing so by the (currently Jewish) powers who stand to gain nothing by a military engagement in Africa, even though it is profitable..... what good are the shekels if Israel is "Scud City"?

ZOG and other Jewish interests have always controlled the funding to the Black organizations.

We could operate in Africa with impunity and a literal "Media black-out". :box:

Related --

Are you familiar with the coup planned against Roosevelt prior to implementation of the New Deal?
 
Old September 17th, 2005 #9
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I think Bush, like that of Tsar Nicholas II , is in a similar situation from the turmoil abroad and within. He will not finish his term. Something has to give from here on out for ZOG to reshuffle the deck, or face a massive revolt.
 
Old September 17th, 2005 #10
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World War I had brought the civilian population to the point of starvation. Millions of Russians had been lost in a useless war. The people were starving in the cities because many of them had been thrown off the land. So what did the Bolsheviks or Communists promise to get people on their side? They promised bread, land and peace! What did the Russian people have before the war? Bread, land and peace. We all know what the Russian people really got by supporting the Communists. They got tyranny, terror and very little bread. That is why revolutionary change is occurring right now similar to what the Russians went through. The people still hunger for bread, land and peace. These privations they have suffered under almost 80 years of Judeo-Communist misrule.


the question is: Will the revolution play out like the German people took charge of theirs in 1933 and 1989, or will the people remain passive and disorganized like the Russians in 1917.

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