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Old June 22nd, 2011 #1
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Default Is National-Socialism Transferable?

The underlying question is whether there is some essence to national-socialism beyond the mere aping of Hitler, some generally applicable principle or body of principles.


17 May 2011
National-Socialism Not for Export?



Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists, as of 1938 was referring to his worldview as national-socialism.


Occasionally some sophomore, somebody hostile to national-socialist ideology, usually somebody wedded to liberal notions (by which I mean a so-called conservative), will argue that national-socialist ideas have no application outside of Germany, adducing as evidence some statement attributed to Adolf Hitler: "National-Socialism is not for export." Ipse dixit!

Isn't it interesting how these people who are basically hostile to our worldview, suddenly, when it suits them, treat Adolf Hitler as a man whose every casual word must be taken as an inviolable commandment? The assumption seems to be that there is no general idea, no substance in national-socialism, except to copy Adolf Hitler on every point.

Let us examine, however, what this statement, in its original context, must have meant.

In 1934 and 1935 Dr. Joseph Goebbels declared that National-Socialism was not for export, as part of an attempt to maintain positive relations with foreign governments, including that of the United States, that were concerned about the influence of National-Socialist Germany on their substantial German minorities. The dictum, "National-Socialism is not for export," was in the first place simply a piece of diplomacy to avoid conflict with foreign governments.

In 1942 when Hitler himself made essentially the same statement in the context of a private conversation, he gave an additional motive behind the position that would have been impolitic to state publicly:

I am firmly opposed to any attempt to export National-Socialism. If other countries are determined to preserve their democratic systems and thus rush to their ruin, so much the better for us. And all the more so, because during this same period, thanks to National Socialism, we shall be transforming ourselves, slowly but surely, into the most solid popular community that it is possible to imagine. [Hitler's Table Talk, entry for 20 May 1942]
Hitler was not saying that other nations could not apply national-socialism: on the contrary, the assumption was that neighboring European states, having adopted national-socialism, would become strong. Hitler was saying that it was simply not in Germany's interest to encourage nations that might eventually come into conflict with her to adopt national-socialism.

At the same time, however, Hitler did not say that Germany should attempt to stifle the development of national-socialism anywhere, only that Germany should not exert herself to bring about such a development. Let the other nations keep their liberal system if that's what they want.

As with many things, Hitler had not been entirely consistent in the application of this principle.

Where it was a question of a nation's becoming strong and nationalist or aligning with Germany's enemies, as in the case of Spain in the 1930s, Hitler provided the necessary assistance for the ideologically kindred forces to prevail.

Also, for a few years Hitler subsidized Sir Oswald Mosley, who as of 1938 was referring to his political creed as national-socialism. At that time Hitler was hoping to avoid conflict and even to have harmonious future relations with Britain as described in Mein Kampf, with Britain ruling the seas and retaining its empire while leaving hegemony on the European continent to Germany. When the war broke out, a plan to have Mosley broadcast to Britain from a transmitter on German soil had to be scrapped.

Ultimately, whether or not to attempt to export national-socialism seems to have been determined in each case based on whether it appeared likely to help or hurt Germany's security.

The statements of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels about national-socialism being "not for export" did not mean that other nations could not apply national-socialism, only that Germany would not attempt to make the world National-Socialist the way the Soviet Union worked at making the world Communist.

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Old June 22nd, 2011 #2
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Where it was a question of a nation's becoming strong and nationalist or aligning with Germany's enemies, as in the case of Spain in the 1930s, Hitler provided the necessary assistance for the ideologically kindred forces to prevail.
I see the German and Italian intervention in the Spanish Civil War as more of an expedient attempt to combat the proliferation of Marxist Socialist doctrine in the region (ie. Spain particularly and Western Europe generally) rather than an attempt to spread National-Socialism. Any other goal would be long term (laying the foundations) but even these would be secondary compared to the military and social crisis that would rise if the Nationalists were to fail there.
 
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I see the German and Italian intervention in the Spanish Civil War as more of an expedient attempt to combat the proliferation of Marxist Socialist doctrine in the region (ie. Spain particularly and Western Europe generally) rather than an attempt to spread National-Socialism.
That is what I said.

Furthermore, the establishment of a Spanish government friendly to Germany could be seen as giving a possible strategic advantage over France.

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Old June 23rd, 2011 #4
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That is what I said.

Furthermore, the establishment of a Spanish government friendly to Germany could be seen as giving a possible strategic advantage over France.
Yes. North American Caucasians have our own unique set of circumstances that requires specific goals and applications of the National Socialist concept. Where do we go from here?
 
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Smile Chinamen Have Adopted National Socialism

It is not generally recognized, but the Chinamen have reduced National Socialism to an exact science. The reason that the Fuhrer, PBUH, did not want it exported, is because it is so powerful for nation states. National Socialism is adaptable to all races except the Jewish race. Zionism takes its place there.

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It is not generally recognized, but the Chinamen have reduced National Socialism to an exact science. The reason that the Fuhrer, PBUB, did not want it exported, is because it is so powerful for nation states. National socialism is adapable to all races except the Jewish race. Zionism takes its place there.
Very interesting observation!
 
Old June 22nd, 2011 #7
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Sir Oswald Mosley (1896 -1980) was the leader of the British Union of Fascists, and a friend of National-Socialist Germany. (He was also an hereditary baronet and fourth cousin of the mother of Queen Elizabeth II.)

The Westminster Gazette in the 1920s called Mosley "the most polished literary speaker in the Commons, words flow from him in graceful epigrammatic phrases that have a sting in them for the government and the conservatives. To listen to him is an education in the English language, also in the art of delicate but deadly repartee. He has human sympathies, courage and brains."

The original message was recorded by Mosley (without musical backing) in 1938. The original text appears below. Notably omitted from the musical adaptation is Mosley's reference to the national-socialist and also every specific reference to Britain.



Comrades in Struggle
Sir Oswald Mosley
(June 1938)


Brother Blackshirts, my comrades in the struggle:

Our fight is for the soul of Britain, and in that battle we go forward together till victory be won. Our struggle is hard, because we are fighting for something great, and great things are not lightly or easily gained. We are fighting for nothing less than a revolution in the spirit of our people. We must be worthy of our mission, for blackshirts are those who are summoned to lead the people to a new and a higher civilization.

The Blackshirt is a revolutionary dedicated to the service of our country. We must always possess the character of the true revolutionary. It is not the character that you observe in the little men of the old parties, blown hither and thither by every gust of transient opinion, elated by a little success, downcast by a little failure, gossiping and chattering about the prospects of the next five minutes, jostling for place, but not so forward in service, without loyalty, endurance, or staying power, Such a character is the hallmark of financial democratic politics. It is the opposite of the national-socialist.

In the true revolutionary, the first quality is the power to endure. Constancy, loyalty to cause and comrades, manhood, and stability of nature. These are the qualities of the true Briton, and the true revolutionary. In our movement that great character of the British has been reborn. And for that reason we carry within us the destiny of Britain. We care not whether we win tomorrow morning or at the end of a lifetime of labour and of struggle. For to us the little calculations of the little men mean nothing. All we care is that win we will because Britain demands it and no power on earth can hold down the will within us.

Struggles we have had and will have. Blows we have taken and will again. Victories we have had and will have again, yes greater victories than even Britons have ever known. Through good and ill we march on, till victory be won, for this is the character of the true revolutionary. In the great moments of supreme struggle and decision it is easy to hold that character, even in supreme sacrifice. It is not so easy in the hard daily task. It is then even more than in the great fights we have together that I would like to be the companion of every one of you. I would like to be with every action team that carries the message of our new faith to new streets. I would like to be with every man or woman doing the hard but vital job of giving leadership to the people in the block of houses for which they are responsible.

For these are the jobs that count. By the dedication of thousands to that mission of leading the people in their own homes and streets, revolution is won. In that task I cannot in body be with everyone of you every day. But in spirit I am with you alway*, because this work of the dedicated Blackshirt will win the Britain for which my whole spirit is given. Together in Britain we have lit a flame that the ages shall not extinguish. Guard that sacred flame my brother Blackshirts until it illumines Britain and lights again the path of mankind.

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Mr Hadding, you blog seems to be the best blog on national-socialism that I've seen that far. Keep the great work.


And of course national-socialism is applicable in all white countries, to the least. Haven't heard that democracy is only for the greeks, communism only for jews but we keep hearing from our enemies who don't understand nothing about national-socialism that national-socialism is purely german and it would be a joke for somebody to think to try it elsewhere. Some people are even that dumb that think that I am german nationalist (I'm from Bulgaria) and that I am looking for the prosperity of the german people because I declare myself a national-socialist.
 
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...national-socialism is purely german and it would be a joke for somebody to think to try it elsewhere...
The only thing "German" about it was the political phase played out by the Third Reich. The nationbal socialist economic/demographic form can be used by anyone capable of organizing it which would limit its application to only a minority.
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The German National-Socialist concept of the nation state was that of a People's Community (Volksgemeinschaft.) The national community was seen primarily as an organic whole and class conflict was discouraged in place of ‘class cooperation’.

The socialist Volksgemeinshaft was a utopian vision of what Germany could evolve into. A society where class divisions would no longer be an issue, but instead the recognition that each German, regardless of their station in life, be that he/she is a rocket scientist or a simple waiter, that each member of that people’s community had an important and altruistic obligation to think of the welfare of their Volk before self-interest. Only then could a new golden age arrive of a higher form of civilisation where hereditary illnesses, poverty and crime would become almost non-existent.


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“The fundamental principle is that the State is not an end in itself but the means to an end. It is the preliminary condition under which alone a higher form of human civilization can be developed, but it is not the source of such a development. This is to be sought exclusively in the actual existence of a race which is endowed with the gift of cultural creativeness.”-Mein Kampf




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"The programme was nothing other than the programme for the establishment of the new German Volkreichs. It were the theses of the national uprising and the basic insight that lay in these theses was that of the two most elementary forces of the time, nationalism and socialism, had to be subjected to a new definition and that from this definition the two theses had to be merged into a unified one. The two thoughts had to be transformed into a single idea and could then be carriers of a new force. A force that could one day make the Reich great, free and powerful again."
Adolf Hitler speech





Why the Name “National Socialists”?

Hitler says:

“You cannot be a true nationalist without also being a socialist; you others cannot be true socialists without also being nationalists.

To be a nationalist means loving ones own people more than all others, and worker to be sure that it can hold its own among them. If this people to hold its own against the rest of the world, I must wish and work for the health of each member, to see that things go as well as possible for each individual, and therefore the whole. But then I am a socialist!

And I cannot be a socialist without working to be sure that my people can defend itself from attacks by other peoples, and to secure its foundations for life, without working for the greatness of my people, thereby also being a nationalist. The strength and significance of my people is the foundation for the prosperity of the individual.

Therefore, you are National Socialists.”




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Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: "If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites - and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose." There was loud applause. Hitler went on: "How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?"
Hitler and the socialist dream

“I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home - the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over teacups.

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one." [Meaning the state belongs to the people/volk, the state works for the people, it does not rule over them in the sense of being subjects]

G. S. Viereck's 1923 interview with Adolf Hitler




Centre Radical

Many historians make the error of closely comparing National-Socialism to Communism in terms of economical policy, when in fact the two stand wide apart from each other. It is also interesting to note that the Communists claim National-Socialism was not socialism at all, and was in fact the purest form of Capitalism. The Soviet communists however created a false dichotomy for propagandistic reasons for the Soviet masses, and the claim that National-Socialism was the 'last bastion of Capitalism' has no basis in fact. In reality, National-Socialism was neither Capitalist nor Communist, but took natural and healthy elements from each one to form a more "centrist" style of government. The National-Socialist state allowed capitalistic principles, but not at the expense of the Volk. Businesses were allowed to make profits but those profits were capped. People were allowed to own their own homes. But they were encouraged not to own more than one property.





The Individual And The Collective

Man is neither hermit nor herd animal, but a little of both, because these traits are not mutually exclusive. He has individualistic traits, but he also has socialistic traits. He is both himself and part of a group. Only National-Socialism recognized this fact, whereas the capitalists would like us to believe that we are only individuals, and the communists are telling us we are only part of a greater collective. According to the ideology of National-Socialism individuality must be limited at the point where it is a detriment to the social good, and that collectivism must be limited where it begins to suffocate the creativity of the individual.

National-Socialism recognized the fact that men are born neither isolated individuals nor members of an ant colony.




Meritocratic

According to the doctrine of Marxism everyone is equal in worth, and each person has the innate ability to be whatever they desire to be. Be that a brain surgeon, rocket scientist, musical composer, philosopher etc. This ideal is known as egalitarianism. The doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

While all people most certainly do deserve equal rights and opportunities to better themselves. People are not equal in ability. Some people are destined to be artists or entertainers. While others are more suited to physical work. Some people are born leaders while others are incapable of leadership. But in the Communist system, those with natural talent are hamstrung by those of mediocre ability because of the false doctrine of egalitarianism.

In the National-Socialist system of government the best man, or indeed woman, for the job is the person who is the most able and gifted for that particular task.





Class Cooperation Not Class War


To promote better understanding between workers and employers, all labour unions were nationalised into one monolithic body, which in Germany was known as the Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF). This organisation was headed by one individual known as the Arbeitsführer (Work Leader) who is, in turn, was responsible to the Führer. Any conflicts or disputes that arose between employers and workers were resolved through mediation between representatives of the DAF and the employer, by an organization set up for that purpose.

When the National-Socialists came to power the Trade Unions were infested with Bolshevik revolutionaries and the regime also wanted to promote class cooperation and not class war and therefore amalgamated all Trade Unions into one.





Folk-Democracy [Ennobled Democracy]

The nation and the government in Germany are one thing. The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa.

The modern structure of the German State is a higher form of democracy [ennobled democracy]in which, by virtue of the people’s mandate, the government is exercised authoritatively while there is no possibility for parliamentary interference, to obliterate and render ineffective the execution of the nation’s will.

“On National-Socialist Germany And Her Contribution Towards Peace.” Speech to the representatives of the international press at Geneva on September 28. 1933. German League of Nations Union News Service, PRO, FO 371/16728




“We have modernized and ennobled the concept of democracy. With us it means definitely the rule of the people, in accordance with its origin.”


On National-Socialism, Bolshevism & Democracy (September 10, 1938)


Adolf Hitler Explains Plutocratic Democracy


The NS Volksgemeinschaft was an organic system of top-down government, where advice travelled upward, and decisions travelled downward. Leaders were chosen on individual merit alone, and not because of their status, their family background, or how much money the individual had. Ordinary people showing potential for leadership were educated at special Adolf Hitler schools. The government of National-Socialist Germany brought in many thousands of ordinary people into positions of government. Ultimately the folk in NS Germany commanded the state and not the other way around. The state was simply a means to an end and not an end in itself.

This system of government is called folk-democracy and is a true form of meritocracy. Not dictatorship or tyranny. Elections were occasionally held in the form of plebiscites for all key laws in the Reich, the states and provinces.



1935 Saarland Plebiscite Returns Region to Germany





Hitler wanted to create a socialism of nations with National-Socialist Germany as the sole protector and guarantor of free and independent socialist nations in the world.

The Socialism of nations could only have come about two ways:


1. All nations voluntarily submit and join the socialism of nations through internal National-Socialist revolution in each nation.

2. A war of liberation against Capitalism and Communism by a National-Socialist nation in order to bring into existence, guarantee and then secure the socialism of all free and independent nations.

Socialism of the Nations:

“There also exists a constructive international socialist idea. But it is altogether different. For, look here, once nations have begun to carry out a socialist and socio-economic reorganization within their own borders, the time is ripe for the totality of nations — that is, all the peoples and states — to give up fighting each other for power and supremacy, enslavement and exploitation, according to liberal principles — that is, acting according to imperialist principles. Then, even among them the time has come for giving consideration to pride of place, communal spirit, even ‘socialism.’ What first occurred on a small scale within the individual nations will then take place among the worldwide community of nations. Even the smallest of them will enjoy equal rights… That is socialism of the nations! But it is quite different from the international socialism of a Marx or a Lenin!”





“If, for example, acting out of a higher discernment, industrial plants decide not to compete with each other, establishing instead a community of interests, each enterprise remains independent in itself. The only change is that each will be integrated into the totality according to a higher plan, taking into account considerations of production and market conditions and according to principles of reason and profitability. So each must give up something of its sovereignty, in the interest of the whole — but consequently also in its own best interest. It is equally true within a nation that each individual citizen must surrender something of his own sovereignty — what is colloquially spoken of as ‘personal liberty’ –to the organization of self-administration, the state. All rights originate primarily with the people… The Volk, each separate person, however, yields as much as necessary — but not more than necessary — to the state it has created or the government it has established according to its constitution.

“The same thing will happen with the socialism of nations. Each nation remains independent. It yields to the community, to the organization of self-administration, to the world state only as much of its sovereignty as is necessary to enable the execution of the tasks that are in the interest of all and each separately.”

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