LIVE RESULTS - BNP, Lib/Dem, Labour, Conservative - Counting, Seats Won, Likely Govt.

[Scott]

Darius, how many seats is the BNP expected to win?

[Darius Appleby]

Sky Q: Divisions in the party, economic policy, hoping for electoral reform?

Griffin says proportional representation leads to weak national governments.

British economy is going to go like Greece.

Back for another election in a few months time.

No results from Barking yet.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Scott

Darius, how many seats is the BNP expected to win?

Had a look earlier for a list of BNP candidates, but it isn't easy to find on their website, but I believe there were about 119 in 2005...

Griffin is the best chance to win a BNP parliamentary seat, in Barking.

Have just seen the betting markets which say Labour is odds on to win Barking 5 to 1.

I would like Griffin to win, and hope he can beat the betting markets. I would be happy to see more BNP MPs.

The simultaneous Local Council elections may be more important to win seats for the BNP, and they already have quite a few, maybe 50 or 100 across the UK? I think wikipedia has the numbers.

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[Darius Appleby]

Alistair Campbell : Mood at Labour HQ is good.

Labour man is arguing and yelling at the Sky interviewer over media bias.

Rupert?!!

Someone to Labour man: "You have gone mad, my son!" - "You should send a large cheque to Rupert Murdoch for the Labour coverage!"

[Darius Appleby]

David Cameron doesn't claim victory.

Conservatives will have by far the largest number of seats.

Says Labour has lost its mandate to govern.

Cameron will put national interest first for strong, stable government.

Sky: Subdued message...

Tussle for who won the election could go on for days..

[Bev]

Conservative have just taken Erewash from Labour by 200 or so votes. BNP Mark Bailey got 2337. Just lost the deposit - needed 5% got 4.9%.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Bev

Conservative have just taken Erewash from Labour by 200 or so votes. BNP Mark Bailey got 2300+. Might have retained deposit.

That sounds good Bev. Is the deposit to run really 5,000 pounds?

Have you been up all night?

12:25PM Friday lunchtime in Australia... What is the local time in the UK?

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

That sounds good Bev. Is the deposit to run really 5,000 pounds?

Have you been up all night?

What is the local time in the UK?

It's 3.25AM here. Deposit is £500. Yes, I've been up all night - just got back from the count.

Lots of rumours flying at our count - we heard that Sheffield have staged a sit in because they ran out of time to vote. Liverpool ran out of ballot papers. Nick Griffin's polling stations were allowed to stay open till 10.10 when they should have shut at 10. People left queueing outside polling stations all over Britain. From what we were hearing, the country is in chaos. Don't know how true any of this is.

[Bev]

Also - UKIP never turned up to the count. No representatives, none on the polling stations - nothing. We beat them easily but if they hadn't stood, we would have saved our deposit.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Bev

It's 3.25AM here. Deposit is £500. Yes, I've been up all night - just got back from the count.

Lots of rumours flying at our count - we heard that Sheffield have staged a sit in because they ran out of time to vote. Liverpool ran out of ballot papers. Nick Griffin's polling stations were allowed to stay open till 10.10 when they should have shut at 10. People left queueing outside polling stations all over Britain. From what we were hearing, the country is in chaos. Don't know how true any of this is.

Yes, I can confirm all the stories about the chaos at polling stations... I wrote about it early in the night.... saw it on Sky...

Clegg is in his black car now at his constituency home, but the television lights on him are so strong I can't tell what time of day it is...

Were you a polling official or a party scrutineer? What is the opinion of the local Lib/Dems about who they want to make king, Cameron or Brown?

Maybe we should let you get some rest

[OTPTT]

I'm watching the BBC election coverage on CSPAN and they dare not mention the BNP. They don't even show the BNP results and logo. I think the BNP votes are listed as 'other.'

Why are those men wearing ribbons on their lapels? Did they win some game at the country fair?

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

I'm watching the BBC election coverage on CSPAN and they dare not mention the BNP. They don't even show the BNP results and logo. I think the BNP votes are listed as 'other.'

Why are those men wearing ribbons on their lapels? Did they win some game at the country fair?

The reason they haven't mentioned the BNP yet is probably because Barking where Griffin is standing has not been declared yet. Only 200 out of 650 seats have been declared so far.

Don't you guys in the US like to wear lots of red white and blue ribbons? Maybe only at conventions. I must admit that Australian politicians are not as colourful as the Brits! You should have seen the LOONY candidate with his bright suit and hat who was running in Camerons seat! You wouldn't even see someone like him in The Wizard of Oz!

[Bev]

I was a scrutineer, though it's called something different here. The Lib Dems we were with were delighted that Labour were out, though this doesn't necessarily mean they will side with Cameron - it might just be that they hated the Labour MP.

Labour were absolutely furious when we clapped the Tory getting in - one cheeky Labour cow started hurling abuse through the Tory MP's speech - can't wait for that to be on the news. Got into a row as usual with one of the Labour dossers being smug about Griffin was going to lose, till I pointed out it was quite likely to be subject to an enquiry. The youngest ever candidate in Britain was also in our constituency. He stood as an independent, but when they went on the stage to announce, he was holding hands with the Labour candidate, and I'm positive he did the black power salute with his other hand. I'll try and find the clip tomorrow - doubt it'll be around yet.

Just heard - Sharon Wilkinson BNP 3,747 9.0% We've held 6 deposits so far. I'm off to bed - I'm knackered.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Bev

I was a scrutineer, though it's called something different here. The Lib Dems we were with were delighted that Labour were out, though this doesn't necessarily mean they will side with Cameron - it might just be that they hated the Labour MP.

Labour were absolutely furious when we clapped the Tory getting in - one cheeky Labour cow started hurling abuse through the Tory MP's speech - can't wait for that to be on the news. Got into a row as usual with one of the Labour dossers being smug about Griffin was going to lose, till I pointed out it was quite likely to be subject to an enquiry. The youngest ever candidate in Britain was also in our constituency. He stood as an independent, but when they went on the stage to announce, he was holding hands with the Labour candidate, and I'm positive he did the black power salute with his other hand. I'll try and find the clip tomorrow - doubt it'll be around yet.

Just heard - Sharon Wilkinson BNP 3,747 9.0% We've held 6 deposits so far. I'm off to bed - I'm knackered.

Absolutely Stunning Effort Bev!

Sending a hug across the ocean....

See you tomorrow.

[OTPTT]

What are the British equivalents to the U.S. Republican and Democratic parties?

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

What are the British equivalents to the U.S. Republican and Democratic parties?

Well, if you assume the US Democrats have some sort of connection to labour unions then the UK Labour Party might be close. The UK is more class conscious and working people generally vote Labour, as well as those with a socialist left-wing agenda.

My understanding of the UK Conservatives is that they believe in lower taxation and less government spending, so in that way they are similar to the US republicans. You would also get more wealthy Brits and social conservatives voting Conservative.

Of course every political party has different compositions of beliefs, ideology and personality and regional based factions, so you can't say that any US Democrat would vote UK Labour, or any US Republican would vote UK Conservative, it is only a rough guide.

[Gibson]

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

Well, if you assume the US Democrats have some sort of connection to labour unions then the UK Labour Party might be close. The UK is more class conscious and working people generally vote Labour, as well as those with a socialist left-wing agenda.

My understanding of the UK Conservatives is that they believe in lower taxation and less government spending, so in that way they are similar to the US republicans. You would also get more wealthy Brits and social conservatives voting Conservative.

Of course every political party has different compositions of beliefs, ideology and personality and regional based factions, so you can't say that any US Democrat would vote UK Labour, or any US Republican would vote UK Conservative, it is only a rough guide.

Yes, what Darius said.

The Conservatives have traditionally been roughly equivalent to Republicans.

Labour have traditionally been roughly equivalent to Democrats.

The Liberal Democrats are slightly to the left of Labour, but because they're the third biggest party, their policies are never really analysed by the media, so no-one really knows what they are.

In practice there's not much difference between the three.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Gibson

Yes, what Darius said.

The Conservatives have traditionally been roughly equivalent to Republicans.

Labour have traditionally been roughly equivalent to Democrats.

The Liberal Democrats are slightly to the left of Labour, but because they're the third biggest party, their policies are never really analysed by the media, so no-one really knows what they are.

In practice there's not much difference between the three.

Your comments about the Lib/Dems are interesting Gibson. My uncle from England told me they do very well in the South-West peninsula of England, Devon he said. He confused the Lib/Dems with the Australian Liberal Party which is the major centre-right Australian party, being more conservative than liberal-left.

I always knew the Lib/Dems had only about 50 in a UK parliament of 650, but their rise due to Clegg in the television leader debates has propelled them into relevance.

I didn't know that the Lib/Dems were more left-wing than UK Labour, because I thought that they might be 'Classical Liberals' who believed in less rather than more government. I might download some of the Lib/Dem policies, because they are bound to want to implement many of them since they are in such a powerful position.

The other thing that I wonder about in the UK is which major party appeals to 'Green' environmentalists. The Conservative Party logo with the tree makes me wonder.

[Darius Appleby]

Former Labour Home Secretary Jaqui Smith loses seat to Conservative

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She was one of the MPs investigated by the parliamentary commissioner for standards over inappropriate expense claims.[2] Smith was found to have "clearly" broken the rules on second home expenses and ordered to apologise.[3] On 5 June 2009, she stood down as Home Secretary in the Cabinet reshuffle.

[Gibson]

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

Your comments about the Lib/Dems are interesting Gibson. My uncle from England told me they do very well in the South-West peninsula of England, Devon he said. He confused the Lib/Dems with the Australian Liberal Party which is the major centre-right Australian party, being more conservative than liberal-left.

I always knew the Lib/Dems had only about 50 in a UK parliament of 650, but their rise due to Clegg in the television leader debates has propelled them into relevance.

I didn't know that the Lib/Dems were more left-wing than UK Labour, because I thought that they might be 'Classical Liberals' who believed in less rather than more government. I might download some of the Lib/Dem policies, because they are bound to want to implement many of them since they are in such a powerful position.

The LibDems might have been closer to the Conservatives in the past, but now they're international socialists, the furthest left of the big three. Definitely not Classical Liberals.

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

The other thing that I wonder about in the UK is which major party appeals to 'Green' environmentalists. The Conservative Party logo with the tree makes me wonder.

There is a 'Green' party, but it's really a Red party. They're on the far left, advocating Economic Marxism as well as Cultural Marxism, with a bit of environmentalism thrown in for show. They'll get some votes from Green voters who don't really question the policies too much. They won't get any MPs. (Wrong!)

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