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HISTORY OF THE CHURCH OF THE CREATOR

THE BEGINNING:

A man variously named

A) Bernhardt Klassen
B) Benyamin Avroham Klass
C) "Ben" Klassen is born in:

A) 1914
B) 1917
C) 1918
D) 1919

at

A) Vilna, Lithuania;
B) Somewhere in the Ukraine;
C) Pressburg, Austria-Hungary;
D) A remote area in Polish Galicia;
E) A remote area in Ruthenia.

It is virtually impossible to discover the true facts about Benny Klassen's
early life. Klassen made conflicting statements at various times in his life
naming all of the above dates and places for his birth. No documentary evidence
of his birth was ever presented for public inspection, nor is any available from
other sources. Klassen at one stage produced some grainy photocopies of what
purported to be his family's Canadian immigration documents from about 1926.
Klassen's U.S. immigration records are unavailable, apparently "mislaid" by the
INS.

To be fair, in view of the time and place of his ostensible birth (and
assuming that there is at least some degree of general truth in Klassen's
mulifarious accounts,) documentation would be very hard to obtain in view of
that fact that at that point in time, that part of the world was being fought
over by about five contending armies in the heat of World War One and the
Bolshevik Revolution.
Circa 1920s.

Klassen claims to emigrate from

A) Russia
B) Germany
C) Canada
D) Brazil
E) Romania
F) Lithuania

to

A) Canada
B) the United States
C) An alleged Mennonite colony in Mexico

During his lifetime Klassen made all the preceding conflicting statements both
verbally and in writing. No documentation of any kind available. FOIA records
searches with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service reveal no
records of any kind anywhere for either a Bernhardt Klassen, a Benyamin Avroham
Klass, or a "Ben" Klassen. It is completely impossible to determine the country
of birth, the nationality or race, the religious affiliation, or the date of
entry into the United States of the man who called himself Benny Klassen.

1948 - In November Benny Klassen, Howard Katz, Esther Pollak Katz, and Martin
Weissman are indicted for mail fraud, bankruptcy fraud, and theft from
interstate commerce by a Federal grand jury in New Orleans. Details sketchy but
some kind of fraudulent patent or patent infringement apparently was involved.
Katz and Weissman serve 20 months in prison, Klassen and Esther Katz are fined
and place on probation. Case is known because Klassen had to have his
citizenship rights restored before he could run for office. This was done by
special grant from President Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965. This is not as
unusual as it sounds; presidential restorations such as this happen all the
time. It was probably done on private petition of a member of Congress, and no
assertion is implied that Klassen and LBJ knew each other.

1966 - Klassen is elected to a single term as a Florida state legislator. This
is the first recorded instance of his using the name "Ben" Klassen. His
religious affiliation is listed in the 1968 Florida State Government Who's Who
as Jewish.

1966 (?) - Around this time there are more undetermined legal problems with a
bankruptcy fraud probe by the FBI, U. S. Attorney's office, and Florida State
Banking Commission involving the liquidation of SKW Realty, Inc. in Palm Beach.
SKW are the initials of the partners---Arthur Shapiro, Benny Klassen, and Joseph
Weinleben. Interestingly, this is one of the few things in Klassen's shady past
that he is ever forced or tricked into discussing or accounting for. When
confronted with a series of news clippings on the SKW affair accumulated by the
late Dr. Oren Fenton Potito, Klassen writes in a letter to the NSWPP's William
Grimstad that "this experience taught me about the treachery and dishonesty of
the Jews" or some such. The reference to the SKW scandal was later redacted from
"The Klassen Letters".

1968 - Klassen's career in conservative and right-wing politics begins with
his involvement in a local American Party political action committee called
"Jews for Wallace." His involvement with right-wing politics results in his
losing the backing of the powerful Florida Jewish community and he accordingly
loses his legislative seat. This begins his alienation from Judaism and from his
ancestral racial heritage, an alienation which subsequently turns to hatred.

1973 - Benny Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of
"Jews for Wallace" during Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the
formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla. The
tenets of Klassen’s race-based "religion," called "Creativity," are detailed in
his book Nature’s Eternal Religion. Among its "16 Commandments": "It is our
sacred goal to populate the lands of this earth with White people exclusively."
The group’s war cry will be "Rahowa," short for RAcial HOly WAr.
Circa 1973 - At some point in this time period, Klassen is arrested for
something, no one is quite sure what. There are rumors ranging from everything
to more financial shenanigans to an arrest for homosexual solicitation in a
public toilet, but it is known that this incident eventually entails
court-appointed psychiatric examinations and some kind of probation or parole.
We know this because Klassen needed to get the court's permission to leave the
state in 1978, according to the vengeful Oren Fenton Potito who spent a lifetime
stalking Klassen as a Jew in the Movement. Harry Kelly found out about this
arrest while he was searching Klassen's private office in Otto, and discussed it
with Harold Covington and also with COTC members, claiming Klassen was arrested
for soliciting an undercover police officer in a public toilet in Pompano Beach
and allegedly appeared in court with his Jewish psychiatrist at his side and
wearing a yarmulke. These alleged documents have not
surfaced since. These documents may be one of the reasons for the murder of
Harry Kelly in 1989.

1978 - Klassen business manager Barry Edwards is murdered in what police call
a "gangland style execution." Edwards's body is found on June 12th, 1978 in the
trunk of a car parked at a public beach in West Palm Beach. Edwards has been
severely beaten, his throat has been cut, and an attempt had been made to
mutilate his fingertips and his face with sulphuric acid in order to prevent
identification. Klassen is questioned by police detectives but no charges are
ever filed due to lack of evidence. No one is ever arrested or charged in the
Edwards homicide.


1978 - In March, Klassen moves COTC headquarters from Florida to 22 acres of
land he has purchased in Otto, N.C., building a personal residence, a
three-story church, a small warehouse and a "School for Gifted Boys." Later in
the year, COTC is granted an exemption from state taxes based on its status as a
church. This exemption is later lifted by the state and an investigation for
mail fraud and fraudulent conversion of funds is launched by the State of North
Carolina around 1990. These investigations are eventually dropped without any
charges or indictments, and neither the [Southern Poverty Law] Center nor anyone
else has ever been able to obtain any information as to why.

1980 - Klassen stages quasi-Roman Goat Dance rituals on his property,
resulting in complaints from Christian neighbors to whom these rituals are
visible from the highway and from their homes. The Goat Dance is apparently an
attempt to invoke the Graeco-Roman god Priapus, also known in mythology as Pan.
The ritual involves Klassen dressing in toga-like vestments with a wreath of
leafy greenery on his head, and a number of young men or boys dancing around a
bonfire largely nude except for loin cloths of some kinds, thong type bathing
trunks or athletic supporters. A goat is also present, presumably because of the
animal's connection in myth to Pan, etc. Macon County Sheriff Homer Holbrooks
visits Klassen and informs him of complaints, and the Goat Dance ritual is
discontinued, or at least moved indoors.

1981 - Klassen publishes his second book, The White Man's Bible, which he
markets as a "program for the survival, expansion, and advancement of the White
race."

1983 Klassen begins publishing a monthly newsletter, Racial Loyalty, in June.

1979-early 1980s - Klassen employs as his first "Hasta Primus" a man from
Greenville, North Carolina named Richard Becker. Becker is a peripatetic among
right wing and racial groups. He is known as a practicing homosexual. Becker was
expelled from Harold Covington's Raleigh-based National Socialist Party of
America in 1979 when Covington was tipped off by a local contact that Becker was
committing homosexual acts at the local YMCA. Covington searched Becker's room
at the "Nazi Stormtrooper barracks" at 1217 Pierce Street in Raleigh and
discovered homosexual pornography, whereupon Covington and several associates
removed Becker and his belongings from the premises and awaited his return, then
informing him he was no longer welcome in the NSPA. After a short stay with his
parents in Greenville, Becker next appears in Otto as "The Reverend Richard
Becker". This is the first open association between the Klassen organization and
homosexuality, although there have been
numerous, frequent, and persistent rumors down through the years, largely due
to the Goat Dance.

1986 - The COTC has its first open brush with criminality in June, when
security chief Carl Messick fires 19 shots at the car of a Georgia couple who
strayed onto the COTC grounds. The COTC "reverend" is later sentenced to seven
years in prison.

1988 - Klassen travels to California to ask John Metzger, son of neo-Nazi
White Aryan Resistance founder Tom Metzger, about taking over COTC. Metzger,
saying he "wouldn’t want to be affiliated with a church," declines. Klassen
begins lengthy smear campaign against both Metzgers.

1989 - In July, "reverend" Harry Kelly is found dead in his New York City
apartment of a heroin overdose. Kelly, a former drug user, was believed to have
been clean for some time. The last person to be seen with Kelly alive was an
unknown white male whose physical description bears a resemblance to known
homosexual COTC "reverend" and suspected government informant Jerry Michael
Pace. Interestingly, the witnesses to Pace's presence, the last independent
witnesses to see Kelly alive, are Jeff and Gina Krause, who many years later are
involved in Andrew Greenbaum's bizarre internet "virtual Nazi Party" the
"Knights of Freedom."

1989 - Alabama Klan leader Roger Handley is arrested by the Alabama State
Police on gun charges in a nighttime raid. He is found in bed with 17 year-old
male COTC "reverend" Will Satterwhite, thus adding to the general air of homo
eroticism surrounding the original Klassen COTC.

1989 - A review by Macon County tax officials concludes that COTC’s North
Carolina property does not qualify for religious tax exemptions. In May, two
Milwaukee COTC members are arrested during a brawl with anti-racist activists.

1990 - On October 12th, 20 year-old former Skinhead Dennis Witherspoon is
found dead in a rural area of Dade County, Florida. He has been bound with duct
tape and shot several times in the head with a .22-caliber revolver. Witherspoon
was known to have been a former COTC "reverend" who claimed that in the summer
of 1989, a year previously, he arrived in the Otto, N.C. compound and was
invited to Klassen's basement rec room for a private showing of Leni
Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will." He was given drugged liquor and passed out.
Witherspoon then claims he suddenly awoke on the floor, doubled up nude with
sofa pillows under him, while Klassen was in the act of sodomizing him, with the
movie still playing. Witherspoon jumped up and assaulted Klassen, beating him
very badly and extorting a promise of money. Witherspoon claims he was given
$10,000 in cash next day and a used car, with which he drove to Florida. The
only comment Klassen ever makes about this incident is
that Witherspoon was attempting to blackmail him. Florida police write off
Witherspoon's death as a drug-related killing, which may be correct.

1990 - Declaring that church leadership would change "at the top of every
decade, on the decade," Klassen announces that Rudy "Butch" Stanko -- then
serving a six-year sentence for selling tainted meat -- will take over once he
is released from prison. In August, COTC Ohio leader Matthew Hayhow, 23, is
arrested after robbing two banks and ultimately is sentenced to a 25-year prison
term. (Nine years later, Hayhow will be writing articles for The Struggle, the
tabloid of the COTC’s successor organization.)

1991 - COTC "reverend" George Loeb is arrested and charged with the murder of
Harold Mansfield Jr., a black Gulf War veteran, in a Florida parking lot. Loeb,
whom Klassen had earlier honored as "Creator of the Month," is ultimately
convicted. Fellow COTC member Steve Thomas, who will later edit Racial Loyalty,
is charged with aiding Loeb’s initial flight from Florida. Thomas had earlier
served eight years for raping a Vietnamese woman, an incident upon which the
movie, "Casualties of War," was based. In November, Macon County, N.C.,
officials revoke COTC’s tax-exempt status.

[Note from KF - Steve Thomas turned state's evidence and testified against
Loeb during his trial in 1992, which can hardly be denied since it was seen on
live Court TV. During the time when Loeb was awaiting trial, Klassen was
sheltering and feeding the main witness against him, providing Steve Thomas with
free accommodation at the Otto compound and a salary of $1000 per month as
editor of Racial Loyalty. Loeb sits in prison to this day, because the man he
worshipped as a god on earth betrayed him for fear of being dragged into the
legal case.]

1991 - Skinhead Steve Martell commits suicide after leaving note describing
homosexual liaison with COTC "reverend" Jerry Michael Pace. Martell's brother
Dave vows homicidal vengeance against Pace. Pace disappears; later believed to
have re-surfaced in the Movement under several different pseudonyms.

1991 - British head of the COTC, Tim Hepple, is exposed by the London tabloids
as a long-time informer for the British police and for the "anti-fascist"
magazine Searchlight. Hepple was never genuinely racialist, but was apparently a
professional snoop and agent provocateur who set up the entire U.K. "Church" as
a gull on behalf of Searchlight editor Gerry Gable.

1992 - Klassen’s long-suffering wife Henrietta dies of cancer in January. Two
months later, Klassen cancels Stanko’s scheduled inauguration as COTC’s Pontifex
Maximus ("supreme leader"), ostensibly because of Stanko’s plans to move COTC
headquarters out of North Carolina and back to his home state of Colorado, and
names Baltimore pizza delivery man Charles Altvater as his successor instead.
Stanko came to Otto on his release from prison, took one look, and left after
two days, disavowing the "Church" and its founder. Stanko is known to have been
a sincere believer in the COTC "religion" and his behavior has never been
explained. Although he has never publicly commented on what it was he learned in
Otto, Stanko is believed to have been confronted with something which made it
morally impossible for him to continue.
1992 - In June, Klassen again changes his mind (a fortuitous move: in
November, Altvater is arrested after attempting to firebomb the home of a police
officer who’d had his car towed), naming Milwaukee COTC chief Mark Wilson, 25,
as the next COTC leader. Skinhead Wilson, aka "Brandon O'Rourke," rents a
storefront headquarters in Milwaukee which Klassen pays for, and "O'Rourke" and
his friends then proceed to literally drink up $50,000 given to them by Klassen
in less than a year. That's a lot of beer.

1992 - In July, fearing a civil lawsuit in connection with the Mansfield
murder, Klassen sells most of his Otto compound to William Pierce of the
neo-Nazi National Alliance. Pierce "borrows" the money from North Carolina
financial supporter Herb Horton, and so the property does not actually cost
Pierce anything. (It is not known why Pierce purchased the Klassen property; he
made no attempt to set up a National Alliance headquarters in North Carolina,
and immediately attempted to re-sell the compound in the local real estate
market, so the whole thing appears to have been simply a business deal.) Klassen
then flees from Otto to parts unknown to avoid service of legal papers. In
December, still in hiding, Klassen publishes his final, autobiographical book.

1993 - Tired of "Brandon O'Rourke" and his thirsty booze crew of Skinheads,
who are literally lying around drunk in their storefront in Milwaukee all the
time and have not produced a single Racial Loyalty issue with the money he gave
them, Klassen names still another successor: Richard "Rick" McCarty of
Niceville, Florida. McCarty is a late comer on the scene; no one seems to know
just who he is or how he ended up as Klassen's successor, but by now Klassen is
becoming increasingly frantic to sever all contact with the "Church" he himself
founded. Rumor has it (and this IS just rumor) that George David Loeb is
threatening to blow the whistle on the 1990 Dennis Witherspoon murder and
implicate Klassen. One thing is clear; in his last months of life, Benny Klassen
was a desperate and frightened man.

1993 - DEATH OF BENNY KLASSEN. In early August, Klassen returns secretly to
the house in Otto, N.C. which is the only remaining part of the property which
he still owns. On Aug. 7, Klassen commits suicide, leaving a smoldering pile of
shredded documents and a note describing suicide as an "honorable" way to die.
Klassen takes an overdose of sleeping tablets, but apparently he changes his
mind about suicide after taking them and crawls to the bathroom in an attempt to
induce vomiting. Macon County Sheriff's office files report stating that Klassen
is found dead with his head in the toilet.

1993 - In one of his first acts as the group’s leader, Rick McCarty moves COTC
headquarters back to Florida in January. In April, McCarty is arrested for DUI,
and his clearly intoxicated mug shots are distributed nationwide.

1993 - In July, COTC Washington state leader Jeremiah Knesal, 19, and two
other COTC members bomb the meeting hall of the NAACP in Tacoma, Wash.; two days
later, Knesal pipe bombs a Seattle gay bar. In his guilty plea, Knesal says the
group also planned attacks on blacks and Jews. In California that month,
COTC-linked Geremy von Rineman and girlfriend Jill Scarborough are arrested in a
plot to bomb Los Angeles’ largest black church. Later that year, Toronto COTC
leader and Rahowa band leader George Burdi helps form Resistance Records, based
in Detroit, to record and market racist rock music.

1994 - Representing the family of Harold Mansfield, the Southern Poverty Law
Center files suit against COTC in March, alleging the group is responsible for
his murder. [Note from KF - It has never been explained why Morris Dees waited
until Klassen was dead to file this lawsuit, or any other. It has been widely
rumored that Dees was ordered "hands off Klassen" by someone in the power
structure.] McCarty flees into the night, leaving behind a lasting mystery: the
whereabouts and true legal ownership of the last bulk stocks of Klassen's
privately printed "holy books," believed to be held in various rented storage
lockers around the country. There whereabouts of the Missing Klassen Books have
become one of the Movement's "Holy Grails," so to speak.

1995 - The Mansfield family is awarded a $1 million default judgment when
McCarty fails to contest the case. Dees makes search for the Missing Klassen
Books to seize and burn them publicly for the media, but cannot locate them and
quickly gives up the attempt. Later, the Law Center will sue Dr. William Pierce
for participating in Klassen’s scheme to keep the COTC headquarters from
Mansfield’s heirs. Ultimately, the Center wins a judgment for $85,000 -- the
profit Pierce realized after selling the COTC property. Pierce did not appeal,
but simply wrote Dees a check and paid him off, probably glad to be rid of the
accursed Klassen mess once and for all.

1995 - Opting to head a "religious" rather than a political group, 20-year-old
Matthew Hale dissolves his National Socialist White Americans Party in July and
resuscitates the COTC as the "New" Church of the Creator in East Peoria, Ill.,
where he lives with his father. Hale tells old COTC members that he is the
"great promoter" whom Klassen had searched for. Hale enters law school that
fall. In December, he renames the group the World Church of the Creator. John
McLaughlin, a man who will become close to Hale, is sentenced to 2 1/2 years’
probation after officials discover an arms stockpile meant for the "ultimate
race war."

1996 - After meeting with two old COTC stalwarts, Matt Hayhow and Guy
Lombardi, Hale convenes a May gathering at the Montana ranch of COTC leader Slim
Deardorff. Hale is elected Pontifex Maximus and Jonathan Viktor, a Klassen
devotee "educated" at his "School for Boys," is chosen Hastus Primus, or vice
president, of the reconstituted group.
1996-97 - Rudy Stanko resurfaces, selling a number of Klassen books by mail in
various Movement publications. He may have gained access to some of the Missing
Klassen Books mother lode, or else these may be books he glommed onto when he
was in Otto in 1992. No one knows. A few months later the ads cease and Stanko
disappears again.

1997 - Viktor presides over the May wedding of Hale and WCOTC member Terra
Herron, 16. When the couple divorce three months later, many Hale followers,
including Viktor, leave the group. Later in the year, WCOTC starts a Web site
run by Jules Fettu in Florida. In August, Fettu and WCOTC members Donald Hansard
and Raymond Leone are charged with assaulting a black man and his son who were
leaving a concert in Sunrise, Fla. (Hansard and Leone later plead guilty to
aggravated assault charges, and Fettu, the Florida WCOTC state leader, is
convicted of battery in a trial.) In November, William Johnson, an 18-year-old
California WCOTC member, is arrested for attempted murder after allegedly
stabbing a person who had insulted the group.

1998 - Four armed Florida WCOTC members, all under 25, rob a Broward Country
video store in March, allegedly planning to use the proceeds for the group.
(Three will later plead to federal conspiracy charges.) Three months later, Guy
Lombardi, now WCOTC’s southeast regional director and commander of the group’s
militant "White Berets," is charged with intimidating a witness in the Sunrise
beating case. (He later pleads guilty.) Hale ejects Lombardi soon after for
"insubordination," assuring his followers the dismissal has nothing to do with
Lombardi’s arrest, which Hale calls "a badge of honor." In May, Hale graduates
from law school, passing the bar exam that summer. Later in the year, a state
official rejects Hale’s application to practice law because of his "character
and fitness."

1999 - At an April hearing, Illinois State Bar Association officials hear
Hale’s appeal on the rejected law license. Among others, WCOTC member Benjamin
Nathaniel Smith testifies on behalf of Hale, who Smith claims has kept him from
violence. Two months later, three Sacramento synagogues sustain arson attacks,
and within days officials say they are looking at Hale’s group for possible
involvement. On July 2, headlines announce that bar officials have again turned
Hale down. Within hours, Smith -- a Hale intimate whom the leader honored as
"Creator of the Month" in late 1998 and then "Creator of the Year" in January --
begins a three-day shooting rampage, killing two people and wounding nine.
 
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It is not surprising that Creativity has roots in a foreign country. Creativity or at least it’s disciples teach hatred of America. I still think America with all it’s faults is the greatest place on the planet to live. Granted I live in a 98.8% white county. These Creatards idolize drug dealing spics and Arabs who hate the country in which they live. The same spics and Arabs they pay tribute to would kill them on site because they are infidels.

While the same Creatard would kill a White racist Christian. Actually many Creatards have killed White Racist Christians.

They do the Jews job for them.
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This was an interesting history. This Jewish pervert gangster troublemaker is just typical of the breed.
 
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Just curious, who is the author of this history?
 
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Those 3 guys are undercover ARAers who work for "citizens against hate"!!

Hey, JEW TOOl why not say that shit to my face! Come on down to our picnic on the 25th, and say that, you pussy!!!!
 
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Those 3 guys are undercover ARAers who work for "citizens against hate"!!

Hey, JEW TOOl why not say that shit to my face! Come on down to our picnic on the 25th, and say that, you pussy!!!!
I won't be in personal attendance at your little picnic on the 25th Reverend, but one of our Priests may attend. Good luck! & RAHOWA!


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Those 3 guys are undercover ARAers who work for "citizens against hate"!!

Hey, JEW TOOl why not say that shit to my face! Come on down to our picnic on the 25th, and say that, you pussy!!!!
ReverendLloyd. You don't have to flame the author of this thread you just have to post the real crystal clear biography of Ben Klasson.

A little like this............

Ben (Bernhardt) Klassen (1918 — 1993) Was the founder of the white supremacist Church of the Creator (COTC).

Klassen was born in the Ukraine to a Mennonite family. At the age of six, he moved with his family to Herschel, Saskatchewan (in Canada). He attended the German-English Academy (now Rosthern Junior College). In 1968, he moved to Florida to work for George Wallace's presidential campaign. In 1973 he founded the original Church of the Creator (COTC) which changed its name to the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) in 1996 when Matthew F. Hale was elected as its Pontifex Maximus, or Head Priest, and later to The Creativity Movement (TCM) in 2003 after a trademark dispute with the TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation. He attracted several hundred white supremacists as members from the US, Canada, Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, and South Africa.

Klassen first popularized the term Racial Holy War (RaHoWa) within the white supremacist movement. He also consistently called Black people "niggers" in public discourse as well as in the literature of the WCOTC, as opposed to many white nationalist leaders who use relatively more polite terms for the aforementioned race in public. For example, the 7th commandment of the WCOTC's "16 commandments of Creativity" openly uses the word "nigger".

Klassen committed suicide in 1993 after the death of his wife, by overdosing on sleeping pills. In his suicide note, he made reference to his book The White Man's Bible, which describes suicide as "an honorable and dignified way to die for any... of a number of reasons, such as having come to the decision that life is no longer worthwhile."

Klassen was the author of several books - Nature's Eternal Religion (1973), The White Man's Bible (1981), Expanding Creativity (1985), A Revolution of Values Through Religion (1991) and many others.
 
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Just curious, who is the author of this history?
Based very loosely on the Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Report, Montgomery, Alabama November 2002, with additions to the Klassen bio and COTC early years sections provided by Slim Deardorff, Matt Hale, Matt Hayhow, Gary Gallo, George Burdi, Carl Messick, and the late Harry Kelly as well as many former COTC members who wish to remain anonymous. - RD
 
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Well, we know Jewsus' provenance: God magically inseminated cross-eyed Mary. You have a lot of info, for a mere CI. Really, it's voluminous calumny you have, anti style. White Will was with Klassen for years. I expect he knows him better. Will's still a Creator too.
 
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Here, you forgot to put the heading on your research:
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HISTORY OF THE CHURCH OF THE CREATOR
HISTORY OF THE CHURCH OF THE CREATOR

[Based very loosely on the Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Report, Montgomery, Alabama November 2002, with additions to the Klassen bio and COTC early years sections provided by Slim Deardorff, Matt Hale, Matt Hayhow, Gary Gallo, George Burdi, Carl Messick, and the late Harry Kelly as well as many former COTC members who wish to remain anonymous. - RD]
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HISTORY OF THE CHURCH OF THE CREATOR

THE BEGINNING:

A man variously named

A) Bernhardt Klassen
B) Benyamin Avroham Klass
C) "Ben" Klassen is born in:

A) 1914
B) 1917
C) 1918
D) 1919

at

A) Vilna, Lithuania;
B) Somewhere in the Ukraine;
C) Pressburg, Austria-Hungary;
D) A remote area in Polish Galicia;
E) A remote area in Ruthenia.

It is virtually impossible to discover the true facts about Benny Klassen's
early life. Klassen made conflicting statements at various times in his life
naming all of the above dates and places for his birth. No documentary evidence
of his birth was ever presented for public inspection, nor is any available from
other sources. Klassen at one stage produced some grainy photocopies of what
purported to be his family's Canadian immigration documents from about 1926.
Klassen's U.S. immigration records are unavailable, apparently "mislaid" by the
INS.

To be fair, in view of the time and place of his ostensible birth (and
assuming that there is at least some degree of general truth in Klassen's
mulifarious accounts,) documentation would be very hard to obtain in view of
that fact that at that point in time, that part of the world was being fought
over by about five contending armies in the heat of World War One and the
Bolshevik Revolution.
Circa 1920s.

Klassen claims to emigrate from

A) Russia
B) Germany
C) Canada
D) Brazil
E) Romania
F) Lithuania

to

A) Canada
B) the United States
C) An alleged Mennonite colony in Mexico

During his lifetime Klassen made all the preceding conflicting statements both
verbally and in writing. No documentation of any kind available. FOIA records
searches with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service reveal no
records of any kind anywhere for either a Bernhardt Klassen, a Benyamin Avroham
Klass, or a "Ben" Klassen. It is completely impossible to determine the country
of birth, the nationality or race, the religious affiliation, or the date of
entry into the United States of the man who called himself Benny Klassen.

1948 - In November Benny Klassen, Howard Katz, Esther Pollak Katz, and Martin
Weissman are indicted for mail fraud, bankruptcy fraud, and theft from
interstate commerce by a Federal grand jury in New Orleans. Details sketchy but
some kind of fraudulent patent or patent infringement apparently was involved.
Katz and Weissman serve 20 months in prison, Klassen and Esther Katz are fined
and place on probation. Case is known because Klassen had to have his
citizenship rights restored before he could run for office. This was done by
special grant from President Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1965. This is not as
unusual as it sounds; presidential restorations such as this happen all the
time. It was probably done on private petition of a member of Congress, and no
assertion is implied that Klassen and LBJ knew each other.

1966 - Klassen is elected to a single term as a Florida state legislator. This
is the first recorded instance of his using the name "Ben" Klassen. His
religious affiliation is listed in the 1968 Florida State Government Who's Who
as Jewish.

1966 (?) - Around this time there are more undetermined legal problems with a
bankruptcy fraud probe by the FBI, U. S. Attorney's office, and Florida State
Banking Commission involving the liquidation of SKW Realty, Inc. in Palm Beach.
SKW are the initials of the partners---Arthur Shapiro, Benny Klassen, and Joseph
Weinleben. Interestingly, this is one of the few things in Klassen's shady past
that he is ever forced or tricked into discussing or accounting for. When
confronted with a series of news clippings on the SKW affair accumulated by the
late Dr. Oren Fenton Potito, Klassen writes in a letter to the NSWPP's William
Grimstad that "this experience taught me about the treachery and dishonesty of
the Jews" or some such. The reference to the SKW scandal was later redacted from
"The Klassen Letters".

1968 - Klassen's career in conservative and right-wing politics begins with
his involvement in a local American Party political action committee called
"Jews for Wallace." His involvement with right-wing politics results in his
losing the backing of the powerful Florida Jewish community and he accordingly
loses his legislative seat. This begins his alienation from Judaism and from his
ancestral racial heritage, an alienation which subsequently turns to hatred.

1973 - Benny Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of
"Jews for Wallace" during Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the
formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla. The
tenets of Klassen’s race-based "religion," called "Creativity," are detailed in
his book Nature’s Eternal Religion. Among its "16 Commandments": "It is our
sacred goal to populate the lands of this earth with White people exclusively."
The group’s war cry will be "Rahowa," short for RAcial HOly WAr.
Circa 1973 - At some point in this time period, Klassen is arrested for
something, no one is quite sure what. There are rumors ranging from everything
to more financial shenanigans to an arrest for homosexual solicitation in a
public toilet, but it is known that this incident eventually entails
court-appointed psychiatric examinations and some kind of probation or parole.
We know this because Klassen needed to get the court's permission to leave the
state in 1978, according to the vengeful Oren Fenton Potito who spent a lifetime
stalking Klassen as a Jew in the Movement. Harry Kelly found out about this
arrest while he was searching Klassen's private office in Otto, and discussed it
with Harold Covington and also with COTC members, claiming Klassen was arrested
for soliciting an undercover police officer in a public toilet in Pompano Beach
and allegedly appeared in court with his Jewish psychiatrist at his side and
wearing a yarmulke. These alleged documents have not
surfaced since. These documents may be one of the reasons for the murder of
Harry Kelly in 1989.

1978 - Klassen business manager Barry Edwards is murdered in what police call
a "gangland style execution." Edwards's body is found on June 12th, 1978 in the
trunk of a car parked at a public beach in West Palm Beach. Edwards has been
severely beaten, his throat has been cut, and an attempt had been made to
mutilate his fingertips and his face with sulphuric acid in order to prevent
identification. Klassen is questioned by police detectives but no charges are
ever filed due to lack of evidence. No one is ever arrested or charged in the
Edwards homicide.


1978 - In March, Klassen moves COTC headquarters from Florida to 22 acres of
land he has purchased in Otto, N.C., building a personal residence, a
three-story church, a small warehouse and a "School for Gifted Boys." Later in
the year, COTC is granted an exemption from state taxes based on its status as a
church. This exemption is later lifted by the state and an investigation for
mail fraud and fraudulent conversion of funds is launched by the State of North
Carolina around 1990. These investigations are eventually dropped without any
charges or indictments, and neither the [Southern Poverty Law] Center nor anyone
else has ever been able to obtain any information as to why.

1980 - Klassen stages quasi-Roman Goat Dance rituals on his property,
resulting in complaints from Christian neighbors to whom these rituals are
visible from the highway and from their homes. The Goat Dance is apparently an
attempt to invoke the Graeco-Roman god Priapus, also known in mythology as Pan.
The ritual involves Klassen dressing in toga-like vestments with a wreath of
leafy greenery on his head, and a number of young men or boys dancing around a
bonfire largely nude except for loin cloths of some kinds, thong type bathing
trunks or athletic supporters. A goat is also present, presumably because of the
animal's connection in myth to Pan, etc. Macon County Sheriff Homer Holbrooks
visits Klassen and informs him of complaints, and the Goat Dance ritual is
discontinued, or at least moved indoors.

1981 - Klassen publishes his second book, The White Man's Bible, which he
markets as a "program for the survival, expansion, and advancement of the White
race."

1983 Klassen begins publishing a monthly newsletter, Racial Loyalty, in June.

1979-early 1980s - Klassen employs as his first "Hasta Primus" a man from
Greenville, North Carolina named Richard Becker. Becker is a peripatetic among
right wing and racial groups. He is known as a practicing homosexual. Becker was
expelled from Harold Covington's Raleigh-based National Socialist Party of
America in 1979 when Covington was tipped off by a local contact that Becker was
committing homosexual acts at the local YMCA. Covington searched Becker's room
at the "Nazi Stormtrooper barracks" at 1217 Pierce Street in Raleigh and
discovered homosexual pornography, whereupon Covington and several associates
removed Becker and his belongings from the premises and awaited his return, then
informing him he was no longer welcome in the NSPA. After a short stay with his
parents in Greenville, Becker next appears in Otto as "The Reverend Richard
Becker". This is the first open association between the Klassen organization and
homosexuality, although there have been
numerous, frequent, and persistent rumors down through the years, largely due
to the Goat Dance.

1986 - The COTC has its first open brush with criminality in June, when
security chief Carl Messick fires 19 shots at the car of a Georgia couple who
strayed onto the COTC grounds. The COTC "reverend" is later sentenced to seven
years in prison.

1988 - Klassen travels to California to ask John Metzger, son of neo-Nazi
White Aryan Resistance founder Tom Metzger, about taking over COTC. Metzger,
saying he "wouldn’t want to be affiliated with a church," declines. Klassen
begins lengthy smear campaign against both Metzgers.

1989 - In July, "reverend" Harry Kelly is found dead in his New York City
apartment of a heroin overdose. Kelly, a former drug user, was believed to have
been clean for some time. The last person to be seen with Kelly alive was an
unknown white male whose physical description bears a resemblance to known
homosexual COTC "reverend" and suspected government informant Jerry Michael
Pace. Interestingly, the witnesses to Pace's presence, the last independent
witnesses to see Kelly alive, are Jeff and Gina Krause, who many years later are
involved in Andrew Greenbaum's bizarre internet "virtual Nazi Party" the
"Knights of Freedom."

1989 - Alabama Klan leader Roger Handley is arrested by the Alabama State
Police on gun charges in a nighttime raid. He is found in bed with 17 year-old
male COTC "reverend" Will Satterwhite, thus adding to the general air of homo
eroticism surrounding the original Klassen COTC.

1989 - A review by Macon County tax officials concludes that COTC’s North
Carolina property does not qualify for religious tax exemptions. In May, two
Milwaukee COTC members are arrested during a brawl with anti-racist activists.

1990 - On October 12th, 20 year-old former Skinhead Dennis Witherspoon is
found dead in a rural area of Dade County, Florida. He has been bound with duct
tape and shot several times in the head with a .22-caliber revolver. Witherspoon
was known to have been a former COTC "reverend" who claimed that in the summer
of 1989, a year previously, he arrived in the Otto, N.C. compound and was
invited to Klassen's basement rec room for a private showing of Leni
Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will." He was given drugged liquor and passed out.
Witherspoon then claims he suddenly awoke on the floor, doubled up nude with
sofa pillows under him, while Klassen was in the act of sodomizing him, with the
movie still playing. Witherspoon jumped up and assaulted Klassen, beating him
very badly and extorting a promise of money. Witherspoon claims he was given
$10,000 in cash next day and a used car, with which he drove to Florida. The
only comment Klassen ever makes about this incident is
that Witherspoon was attempting to blackmail him. Florida police write off
Witherspoon's death as a drug-related killing, which may be correct.

1990 - Declaring that church leadership would change "at the top of every
decade, on the decade," Klassen announces that Rudy "Butch" Stanko -- then
serving a six-year sentence for selling tainted meat -- will take over once he
is released from prison. In August, COTC Ohio leader Matthew Hayhow, 23, is
arrested after robbing two banks and ultimately is sentenced to a 25-year prison
term. (Nine years later, Hayhow will be writing articles for The Struggle, the
tabloid of the COTC’s successor organization.)

1991 - COTC "reverend" George Loeb is arrested and charged with the murder of
Harold Mansfield Jr., a black Gulf War veteran, in a Florida parking lot. Loeb,
whom Klassen had earlier honored as "Creator of the Month," is ultimately
convicted. Fellow COTC member Steve Thomas, who will later edit Racial Loyalty,
is charged with aiding Loeb’s initial flight from Florida. Thomas had earlier
served eight years for raping a Vietnamese woman, an incident upon which the
movie, "Casualties of War," was based. In November, Macon County, N.C.,
officials revoke COTC’s tax-exempt status.

[Note from KF - Steve Thomas turned state's evidence and testified against
Loeb during his trial in 1992, which can hardly be denied since it was seen on
live Court TV. During the time when Loeb was awaiting trial, Klassen was
sheltering and feeding the main witness against him, providing Steve Thomas with
free accommodation at the Otto compound and a salary of $1000 per month as
editor of Racial Loyalty. Loeb sits in prison to this day, because the man he
worshipped as a god on earth betrayed him for fear of being dragged into the
legal case.]

1991 - Skinhead Steve Martell commits suicide after leaving note describing
homosexual liaison with COTC "reverend" Jerry Michael Pace. Martell's brother
Dave vows homicidal vengeance against Pace. Pace disappears; later believed to
have re-surfaced in the Movement under several different pseudonyms.

1991 - British head of the COTC, Tim Hepple, is exposed by the London tabloids
as a long-time informer for the British police and for the "anti-fascist"
magazine Searchlight. Hepple was never genuinely racialist, but was apparently a
professional snoop and agent provocateur who set up the entire U.K. "Church" as
a gull on behalf of Searchlight editor Gerry Gable.

1992 - Klassen’s long-suffering wife Henrietta dies of cancer in January. Two
months later, Klassen cancels Stanko’s scheduled inauguration as COTC’s Pontifex
Maximus ("supreme leader"), ostensibly because of Stanko’s plans to move COTC
headquarters out of North Carolina and back to his home state of Colorado, and
names Baltimore pizza delivery man Charles Altvater as his successor instead.
Stanko came to Otto on his release from prison, took one look, and left after
two days, disavowing the "Church" and its founder. Stanko is known to have been
a sincere believer in the COTC "religion" and his behavior has never been
explained. Although he has never publicly commented on what it was he learned in
Otto, Stanko is believed to have been confronted with something which made it
morally impossible for him to continue.
1992 - In June, Klassen again changes his mind (a fortuitous move: in
November, Altvater is arrested after attempting to firebomb the home of a police
officer who’d had his car towed), naming Milwaukee COTC chief Mark Wilson, 25,
as the next COTC leader. Skinhead Wilson, aka "Brandon O'Rourke," rents a
storefront headquarters in Milwaukee which Klassen pays for, and "O'Rourke" and
his friends then proceed to literally drink up $50,000 given to them by Klassen
in less than a year. That's a lot of beer.

1992 - In July, fearing a civil lawsuit in connection with the Mansfield
murder, Klassen sells most of his Otto compound to William Pierce of the
neo-Nazi National Alliance. Pierce "borrows" the money from North Carolina
financial supporter Herb Horton, and so the property does not actually cost
Pierce anything. (It is not known why Pierce purchased the Klassen property; he
made no attempt to set up a National Alliance headquarters in North Carolina,
and immediately attempted to re-sell the compound in the local real estate
market, so the whole thing appears to have been simply a business deal.) Klassen
then flees from Otto to parts unknown to avoid service of legal papers. In
December, still in hiding, Klassen publishes his final, autobiographical book.

1993 - Tired of "Brandon O'Rourke" and his thirsty booze crew of Skinheads,
who are literally lying around drunk in their storefront in Milwaukee all the
time and have not produced a single Racial Loyalty issue with the money he gave
them, Klassen names still another successor: Richard "Rick" McCarty of
Niceville, Florida. McCarty is a late comer on the scene; no one seems to know
just who he is or how he ended up as Klassen's successor, but by now Klassen is
becoming increasingly frantic to sever all contact with the "Church" he himself
founded. Rumor has it (and this IS just rumor) that George David Loeb is
threatening to blow the whistle on the 1990 Dennis Witherspoon murder and
implicate Klassen. One thing is clear; in his last months of life, Benny Klassen
was a desperate and frightened man.

1993 - DEATH OF BENNY KLASSEN. In early August, Klassen returns secretly to
the house in Otto, N.C. which is the only remaining part of the property which
he still owns. On Aug. 7, Klassen commits suicide, leaving a smoldering pile of
shredded documents and a note describing suicide as an "honorable" way to die.
Klassen takes an overdose of sleeping tablets, but apparently he changes his
mind about suicide after taking them and crawls to the bathroom in an attempt to
induce vomiting. Macon County Sheriff's office files report stating that Klassen
is found dead with his head in the toilet.

1993 - In one of his first acts as the group’s leader, Rick McCarty moves COTC
headquarters back to Florida in January. In April, McCarty is arrested for DUI,
and his clearly intoxicated mug shots are distributed nationwide.

1993 - In July, COTC Washington state leader Jeremiah Knesal, 19, and two
other COTC members bomb the meeting hall of the NAACP in Tacoma, Wash.; two days
later, Knesal pipe bombs a Seattle gay bar. In his guilty plea, Knesal says the
group also planned attacks on blacks and Jews. In California that month,
COTC-linked Geremy von Rineman and girlfriend Jill Scarborough are arrested in a
plot to bomb Los Angeles’ largest black church. Later that year, Toronto COTC
leader and Rahowa band leader George Burdi helps form Resistance Records, based
in Detroit, to record and market racist rock music.

1994 - Representing the family of Harold Mansfield, the Southern Poverty Law
Center files suit against COTC in March, alleging the group is responsible for
his murder. [Note from KF - It has never been explained why Morris Dees waited
until Klassen was dead to file this lawsuit, or any other. It has been widely
rumored that Dees was ordered "hands off Klassen" by someone in the power
structure.] McCarty flees into the night, leaving behind a lasting mystery: the
whereabouts and true legal ownership of the last bulk stocks of Klassen's
privately printed "holy books," believed to be held in various rented storage
lockers around the country. There whereabouts of the Missing Klassen Books have
become one of the Movement's "Holy Grails," so to speak.

1995 - The Mansfield family is awarded a $1 million default judgment when
McCarty fails to contest the case. Dees makes search for the Missing Klassen
Books to seize and burn them publicly for the media, but cannot locate them and
quickly gives up the attempt. Later, the Law Center will sue Dr. William Pierce
for participating in Klassen’s scheme to keep the COTC headquarters from
Mansfield’s heirs. Ultimately, the Center wins a judgment for $85,000 -- the
profit Pierce realized after selling the COTC property. Pierce did not appeal,
but simply wrote Dees a check and paid him off, probably glad to be rid of the
accursed Klassen mess once and for all.

1995 - Opting to head a "religious" rather than a political group, 20-year-old
Matthew Hale dissolves his National Socialist White Americans Party in July and
resuscitates the COTC as the "New" Church of the Creator in East Peoria, Ill.,
where he lives with his father. Hale tells old COTC members that he is the
"great promoter" whom Klassen had searched for. Hale enters law school that
fall. In December, he renames the group the World Church of the Creator. John
McLaughlin, a man who will become close to Hale, is sentenced to 2 1/2 years’
probation after officials discover an arms stockpile meant for the "ultimate
race war."

1996 - After meeting with two old COTC stalwarts, Matt Hayhow and Guy
Lombardi, Hale convenes a May gathering at the Montana ranch of COTC leader Slim
Deardorff. Hale is elected Pontifex Maximus and Jonathan Viktor, a Klassen
devotee "educated" at his "School for Boys," is chosen Hastus Primus, or vice
president, of the reconstituted group.
1996-97 - Rudy Stanko resurfaces, selling a number of Klassen books by mail in
various Movement publications. He may have gained access to some of the Missing
Klassen Books mother lode, or else these may be books he glommed onto when he
was in Otto in 1992. No one knows. A few months later the ads cease and Stanko
disappears again.

1997 - Viktor presides over the May wedding of Hale and WCOTC member Terra
Herron, 16. When the couple divorce three months later, many Hale followers,
including Viktor, leave the group. Later in the year, WCOTC starts a Web site
run by Jules Fettu in Florida. In August, Fettu and WCOTC members Donald Hansard
and Raymond Leone are charged with assaulting a black man and his son who were
leaving a concert in Sunrise, Fla. (Hansard and Leone later plead guilty to
aggravated assault charges, and Fettu, the Florida WCOTC state leader, is
convicted of battery in a trial.) In November, William Johnson, an 18-year-old
California WCOTC member, is arrested for attempted murder after allegedly
stabbing a person who had insulted the group.

1998 - Four armed Florida WCOTC members, all under 25, rob a Broward Country
video store in March, allegedly planning to use the proceeds for the group.
(Three will later plead to federal conspiracy charges.) Three months later, Guy
Lombardi, now WCOTC’s southeast regional director and commander of the group’s
militant "White Berets," is charged with intimidating a witness in the Sunrise
beating case. (He later pleads guilty.) Hale ejects Lombardi soon after for
"insubordination," assuring his followers the dismissal has nothing to do with
Lombardi’s arrest, which Hale calls "a badge of honor." In May, Hale graduates
from law school, passing the bar exam that summer. Later in the year, a state
official rejects Hale’s application to practice law because of his "character
and fitness."

1999 - At an April hearing, Illinois State Bar Association officials hear
Hale’s appeal on the rejected law license. Among others, WCOTC member Benjamin
Nathaniel Smith testifies on behalf of Hale, who Smith claims has kept him from
violence. Two months later, three Sacramento synagogues sustain arson attacks,
and within days officials say they are looking at Hale’s group for possible
involvement. On July 2, headlines announce that bar officials have again turned
Hale down. Within hours, Smith -- a Hale intimate whom the leader honored as
"Creator of the Month" in late 1998 and then "Creator of the Year" in January --
begins a three-day shooting rampage, killing two people and wounding nine.
 
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Well, we know Jewsus' provenance: God magically inseminated cross-eyed Mary. You have a lot of info, for a mere CI. Really, it's voluminous calumny you have, anti style. White Will was with Klassen for years. I expect he knows him better. Will's still a Creator too.
You speak with the tenor of a whore, who has no visible means of support. I liked the video where the sheboon, had you almost shitting your pants at Kingston. RAHOWA!

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Here is jack88_2005's very first blog entry-- and I think he is 6killer. Notice the obsession with the Panzerfaust Records schoolyard project.
Then check below, the SPLC's page on me and the Panzerfasut obsession.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...le.jsp?aid=801
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He handed out copies of a racist CD music sampler as part of "Operation Schoolyard." And in 2005, he worked with Todd Vanbiber, a former Alliance member who served time after the bomb he was building to attack the approaches to Disney World in 1997 blew up in his face.
I googled a couple of the phrases from 6Killer's Ben Klassen post. The ONLY places it is on the internet at this time are on this very VNN thread and on jack88_2005's blog.

Other entries in his blog, jack says he is soon going to join ANSWAP (recent post), Stormfront going offline for good article from a couple of years back, Shaun Walker running down Strom I think, somebody in Utah named William Williams (NOT WN Will Williams) getting busted for prostitution etc etc.
http://fittic6.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html
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Thursday, June 30, 2005

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to israel. That is 13.7 million dollars per day! The
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# posted by Jack88_2005's Blog @ 7:39 PM 0 comments

Little girl is passing out the free CD's
Panserfaust records was offering free 100 cd's for $15.00 to distribute and itz being distributed
.
Absolutely no one on this board has ever met you in person, 6Killer, correct? Unless some confederate of yours cares to chime in.

Did you ever join ANSWP as jack88_2005 says in his blog?

Re the Kingston negress-- as I have logically stated, we were blocked in near to a niggeryarea of the city and she was on her cell calling homies. Further, niggers are apt at any time to shoot White people. We know this from reading years and years of mud crime stories on NNN and VNN. She and her boon friend could have done just that, but the greater immediate problem was her callin multiple tribal niggers in.
 
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Here is jack88_2005's very first blog entry-- and I think he is 6killer. Notice the obsession with the Panzerfaust Records schoolyard project.
Then check below, the SPLC's page on me and the Panzerfasut obsession.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...le.jsp?aid=801
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He handed out copies of a racist CD music sampler as part of "Operation Schoolyard." And in 2005, he worked with Todd Vanbiber, a former Alliance member who served time after the bomb he was building to attack the approaches to Disney World in 1997 blew up in his face.
I googled a couple of the phrases from 6Killer's Ben Klassen post. The ONLY places it is on the internet at this time are on this very VNN thread and on jack88_2005's blog.

Other entries in his blog, jack says he is soon going to join ANSWAP (recent post), Stormfront going offline for good article from a couple of years back, Shaun Walker running down Strom I think, somebody in Utah named William Williams (NOT WN Will Williams) getting busted for prostitution etc etc.
http://fittic6.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html
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Jack88_2005's Blog

Thursday, June 30, 2005

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KIKES never have to pay a penny back.


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# posted by Jack88_2005's Blog @ 7:39 PM 0 comments

Little girl is passing out the free CD's
Panserfaust records was offering free 100 cd's for $15.00 to distribute and itz being distributed
.
Absolutely no one on this board has ever met you in person, 6Killer, correct? Unless some confederate of yours cares to chime in.

Did you ever join ANSWP as jack88_2005 says in his blog?

Re the Kingston negress-- as I have logically stated, we were blocked in near to a niggeryarea of the city and she was on her cell calling homies. Further, niggers are apt at any time to shoot White people. We know this from reading years and years of mud crime stories on NNN and VNN. She and her boon friend could have done just that, but the greater immediate problem was her callin multiple tribal niggers in.
 
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From your lying article, 6Killer-- SPLC searchbox yields:

http://www.splcenter.org/search/s-index.html
  • Benyamin Avroham Klass yields Zero
  • jews for wallace yields hits on "wallace" but none having to do with "jews for wallace"

Likely the SPLC knows not to publish such disprovable luies on its website, so it comes onto VNNF and uses VNN's RSS feed, the all of their jew-lie claims based on a supposed CI "jack88_2005" blogger to get it going and repeated all over the internet. Such is kike disinformation.
This is their tried and true technique. For example, on VNNF, they start sock puppets and let them age like wine for a year or two with very little activity. Then, when they get busted in one sock puppet, or its outlived its dissension-purpose usefulness, they pick up the next sock puppet.

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I suggest everyone immediately give 6Killer negative rep and drive him into the red ala Sean Doc Martin. This tips newcomers to his disinformation campaign. I just whacked him 27 points, knocking out one of his two green stars. Again, we must warn newcomers of these disinformation agents. Keep giving it neg rep every time you cycle your rep. Thx.

Here is 6Killer's signup. He lists his birthday as Dr. Pierce's. Pierce was definitely not CI, LOL. Why not Pator Butler's birthday, 6Killer, since you are so hardcore CI?

Note 6Killer's join date, VNNers, Feb 13th, 2005--
http://vnnforum.com/member.php?u=2938
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Now let's look again at jack88_2005's poorly updated blog. The very first entry is from Thursday, June 30, 2005:
http://fittic6.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=2
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More 6Killer VNNF posts ( Feb. 15th, 2005, in an aside running down Rounder, very early on after he showed up) :
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=187179&postcount=143
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I'm an Lindstedt associate, not a subordinate.
Also on Feb 15th, 2005-- round about the time TAA was cookin' , as I recall:
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=187216&postcount=159
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I agree. Glenn Miller is a black traitor and Federal informant,
6Killer's last post from Sept. 8th, 2005 until 3 weeks ago!
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=268917&postcount=219
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That's because the only ones with testicular fortitude at $tormfront are females like Klaliff. The rest are all eunuchs like Muad Dib and Kludd.
And where have you shown up on the streets, 6Killer, and who knows you? Ypou link to sons of Yahweh--they know you?

Here is jack88_2005's Overthrow-copy & pasted blog entry about Stormfront dated Thursday, September 22, 2005, 2 weeks after his above VNNF post.
http://fittic6.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html
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Don Black May Close Stormfront
Don Black May Close Stormfront
White Nationalist Website Facing Bankruptcy; Cannot Continue Operating Costs

9/21/2005 8:59:39 AM
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Internet -- Don Black, publisher of the famous white nationalist Stormfront website, has said that his operation may shut down, as it is "too deeply in debt", facing bankruptcy, and unable to continue to meet its operating expenses.
Stormfront, which had been supported financially by National Alliance members and supporters of David Duke, lost a major pillar of support when the National Alliance collapsed and Kevin Alfred Strom reorganized his operations into National Vanguard. Jamie Kelso, known as Charles Lindbergh on the site, took over operations, and intensified an ongoing campaign of censorship that led to the expulsion of thousands of the website's members who were white nationalists critical of Strom and Duke. As a result, Stormfront's supporter base collapsed, and the website's ability to support itself through donations fell apart.

After the death of William Pierce, similar politicking by Strom and his allies in Duke's camp bankrupted the National Alliance, destroying what was once the largest white activist group in the United States. Since then, other organizations, such as the National Socialist Movement, have stepped in to take the organization's place.
I also note that 6Killer likes to parrot the same Sean Doc Martin, OPP line about me-- i.e., "no visible means of support".

Then there is his cutesy current avatar title "Keeping it between the lines", as in the saying "reading between the lines"...

Hit your negative rep button on 6Killer now and often. Thanks again.

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Old August 5th, 2007 #16
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Here we go as David takes us on another magic carpet ride. David, doesn’t it even bother you that you are a senior citizen with no means of income or wife and you lone contribution to racism is making thousands of posts with the sole purpose of giving out negative rep?

Although I have to say you have done much better than Will. At least you haven’t left a path of destruction of WN groups. Isn’t that similar to what Linder said when he banned him?

A senior citizen giving out negative rep, our race is saved.


Hey folks not only can he search thousands of VNNF posts while being the poster with the largest numbers of posts in less than a year. Oh, David that tale you spin about you old posts being added doesn’t fly, I can use the search function as well.

But he can also search thousands of posts on other forums searching for a single line that he may think came from a current poster.

You must take up half the bandwidth in the white AIDS capitol of the world by yourself.


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I suggest everyone immediately give 6Killer negative rep and drive him into the red ala Sean Doc Martin. This tips newcomers to his disinformation campaign. I just whacked him 27 points, knocking out one of his two green stars. Again, we must warn newcomers of these disinformation agents. Keep giving it neg rep every time you cycle your rep. Thx.
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Absolutely no one on this board has ever met you in person, 6Killer, correct? Unless some confederate of yours cares to chime in.
Actually many who are CI on this board know who I am, my father was an ordained minister in The Church of Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations his ordaination certificate was signed by both Dr. Wesley Swift and Bertrand Comparet. As I've stated before I'm 4th Generation CI, although my family were Mormons prior to being CI, my Great-Great grandfather and his father were both Mormons who practiced polygamy.

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Did you ever join ANSWP as jack88_2005 says in his blog?
No, I'm a member of The Church of the Sons of YHVH. Morris Gulett knows me and my family personally.

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Re the Kingston negress-- as I have logically stated, we were blocked in near to a niggeryarea of the city and she was on her cell calling homies. Further, niggers are apt at any time to shoot White people. We know this from reading years and years of mud crime stories on NNN and VNN. She and her boon friend could have done just that, but the greater immediate problem was her callin multiple tribal niggers in.
Yes, Coons are known to be violent, but you still had to change your pants, when you arrived back at the motel, huh? One could detect fear in your voice, which I'm sure the Sheboon noticed as well. I must say this though, Stan seemed quite calm throughout the ordeal.
 
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Be careful seems like David has been researching you a lot lately. He is now gathering intel on you. How long does it take a letter to get from the white HIV capitol of the world to Morris Dees these days David?




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Actually many who are CI on this board know who I am, my father was an ordained minister in The Church of Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations his ordaination certificate was signed by both Dr. Wesley Swift and Bertrand Comparet. As I've stated before I'm 4th Generation CI, although my family were Mormons prior to being CI, my Great-Great grandfather and his father were both Mormons who practiced polygamy.

No, I'm a member of The Church of the Sons of YHVH. Morris Gulett knows me and my family personally.

Yes, Coons are known to be violent, but you still had to change your pants, when you arrived back at the motel, huh? One could detect fear in your voice, which I'm sure the Sheboon noticed as well. I must say this though, Stan seemed quite calm throughout the ordeal.

Here is something interesting David had to say about bad Benny. Benny didn't even believe in Creatardivity his own self, but wanted to attract Jewish hippies while rejecting White Aryan Racists.

If that doesn't prove Creatardivity was nothing more than a plan to destroy White Nationalism then nothing will.


Creativity = the replacement of White Racist Christians with Atheist Hippies.


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Rev. James Mcmanus recently told me that Ben Klassen created a "no-God" racialist religion and a vegetarian diet because that was what was socially stylish in the period of the late 60's and early 70's, and Klassen thought that those "draws" would interest the youth of the time period- bring them around to White Racist beliefs.

Basically Benjamin attempted to appeal to the Jewish Created hippy element of society. he didn't even believe his own hype.
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Creatards such as Burdi, Hale, Lloyd, Chain and others, WhiggersWill had wealthy parents who didn't like him and he liked to beat white women.

Ben Klassen On Will Williams
The following is a direct transcription of part of Chapter 35 of the last
book written and published by Ben Klassen, entitled "Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs", Copyright 1993. The transcript runs from page 213 to 219 of the book. Only the sections pertinent to Will W. Williams are included here.



Chapter 35.

LUCINDA AND WILL WILLIAMS


Bobbi Johnson left with her car, the U-Haul, and all her kit and kaboodle on April 16, 1988. (I will never forget the day!) As if by
coincidence, and perhaps it was, no sooner had she left than one Sunday afternoon a young couple (in their late 30s) showed up at the house and said they had been hearing much about our movement and were very much interested in learning more, perhaps joining. Their names were Lucinda Coleman and Will White Williams. They were from Raleigh, North Carolina and Will said he had been active in different White racial movements for several years. In fact, he had been quite active in Glenn Miller's group until that movement was broken up by JOG.

The young man and young woman were not married, but said they had been going together, and living together, for six years off and on, although the going sometimes had been rather rough. Cindy, as Lucinda was called, had been married before, had an 11 year-old daughter named Heather, but had been divorced for some time. Heather at the time was living with her father. Will was a Vietnam veteran and had never been married. He had read only one of my books, BUILDING A WHITER AND BRIGHTER WORLD, which someone had incidentally given to him. However, that was enough, he said, to really get him going and that he had finally found the movement he had
been looking for. All the other racial movements he knew of either
embraced, or tolerated, Jewish Christianity, and he had decided a long time ago that he wanted no part of that Jewish garbage. They said they had stopped by our church a few weeks ago when Bobbi was there but had not gotten much cooperation or information. Well, I said, they had come to the right place this time.

Evidently, the experiences of the Vietnam war, in which Will had
been in Army Intelligence, had left a deep impression on him, such that
after all these years he still had not recovered from its psychological
scars.
There were times when he talked about it he would be on the verge of crying, and it had affected his whole outlook on the world, on the U. S. government, and on his moral attitudes in general.

I have previously been telling about all the con-men that had come my way, and of whom I had been a victim at times. However, there was no ambiguity about this matter with Will. He openly admitted he was a con-man, and in fact bragged that you can't con a con-man. Furthermore, he claimed that every man (or woman) had some secret skeletons in their closet, and he openly admitted he was going to find out what mine were. Will had been in the architectural and building game for a number of years after he got out of the army, but had finally given up the hassle and gone broke. He also had some bitter encounters with the IRS, and what made him even more bitter, they sent a dumb nigger to audit his returns. After that he had more or less thrown in the towel and taken up painting (portraits, etc.) not only as a hobby but as a means of making a living. And so he and Cindy lived a sort of disorderly and troubled life, together some of the time, separately the rest of the time, when they landed at the Church of the
Creator in the spring of 1988.

I told him of the experiences I had just gone through with the
Johnsons, that we had only put out three issues of RACIAL LOYALTY in more than a year, when before we had issued the paper regularly every month. One of the basics that I was looking for was a good typist to typeset the articles. In the past I had written most of the articles and done the paste-up work in putting the paper together myself. From here on out, however, I wanted a competent man to do the job. However, I also needed plenty of help in answering the volumes of mail, mailing out the book orders, and mailing out the stacks of RACIAL LOYALTY to our subscribers every month, not to mention mowing the lawns, providing security for our premises, and a thousand other items that needed work and attention. I was looking for a good, dedicated man who could do all these things, and in the past such a man had carried the title of Hasta Primus, which in Latin means Spearhead. I told him that in the past such Hastas had received a fee of $1,000 a month, and we did not make any withholding deductions, nor did we send in any financial reports.

When I showed them the two-bedroom apartment upstairs, they were delighted. It was certainly far superior to the little shack without
electricity out in the woods around Raleigh somewhere that they had
contemplated moving into. There was one problem---Will was no typist, and typesetting was the most essential skill needed to put out the paper. But no problem. Cindy could type, and he was capable of doing the paste-up and putting the paper together. If they took on the job, I would be getting a bargain, they said---two for the price of one. I then also reminded them of the case of Keith Williams, three years ago, who wanted to move in with his girl friend, and I made it clear that the job was available only to a couple who were married. No problem there, they would soon be getting married anyway. There was one more stipulation I made clear at the outset---no pets, no dogs or cats on the premises. They would think it over and let me know shortly.


Ben Klassen On Will Williams, Part Deux
They did let me know shortly, and they moved in on May 15, 1988,
and we soon got things moving. By the end of May, we had the June edition of RACIAL LOYALTY ready to go out. I had already written the key article "I Never Invented The Wheel", but I had it published under Will Williams' byline with the announcement that he was now the new Hasta Primus. From there on out, we regularly published an edition of RACIAL LOYALTY every month, for the next 16 editions, even after Williams left.

Cindy was a rather woe-begone and tearful personality, whereas
Will not only was a con man but he had a mean and stubborn streak in him. He came from a wealthy family, his father and brothers were in the insurance business and in the millionaire class, but Will was not one of them. He admitted he was the "black sheep" of the family and because of his stubbornness, because of his racist views, because of his disdain for Christianity, his father disowned him and they hadn't spoken to one another for some years.

It wasn't long before I began to notice obvious friction between
Will and Cindy, but nevertheless, they were soon going to get married and they set the date. Since Will was a great admirer of Adolf Hitler, to whom many in the Movement refer to as "88" for "Heil Hitler", (H is the 8th letter in the alphabet), Will decided the wedding date would be at 8
minutes after 8 o'clock on the 8th day of the 8th months (August 8). He
wanted me to perform the ceremony, and I was glad to oblige. It was quite a well attended affair, with many of their friends from Raleigh, as well as many other members of the church being in attendance. Even Will's mother was there. (Unlike his father, she was on good terms with him.) Heather, Cindy's 11 year-old daughter was there as well. She was a sweet, bright, and good looking girl.

The article in the September issue of RACIAL LOYALTY about the
wedding, written by Will himself, was entitled "The Bride Was Lovely In
White". Refreshments were served in the Sanctuary, and everyone seemed to have smiles on their face and be having a good time, except I never saw Lucinda smile. I signed their Wedding Certificate and I was going to make a copy of it for our records, as we did with all the other weddings we performed at the church. However, I never did get to make a copy of it, and I never saw it again, although I asked for it several times. Nor was it ever recorded in the Records of Macon County, as Wedding Certificates should be.

Even before the wedding, in fact within a week after they arrived
there, I noticed a little white kitten in the basement of the church. Next
I noticed four little white kittens in the basement, despite the fact that
I had definitely set down the "no pets" ruling. I asked "Where did all
these goddamn cats come from?" Oh, Cindy said, they're mine. Aren't they cute?"

One day I came into the library, and lying on the counter was a
cute photo of Heather holding a little puppy. Knowing how tricky Will could be, I realized that this was his sneaky way of letting me know that they now also had a puppy, and as we all know, puppies grow into dogs. The puppy did indeed grow into a dog, a huge hound, in fact. All too often he lay across the front door and became a veritable nuisance. Soon there were two dogs, a male and a female. But more about that later. There were other problems of a more serious nature.

Soon after they were married I got a phone call at the house from
Cindy. She was sobbing into the telephone and she wanted me to come over right away and protect her from Will. They were apparently having one hell of a fight and Will was beating up on her. Now if there is anything I dislike more than getting involved in a domestic fight, I don't know what it is, but since she was crying and asking me for help I rushed over as quickly as I could.

When I got there she was still crying, and Will was still in a
vicious mood as Cindy recited all the cruelties he had inflicted on her. He tried to pass it off as just another one of their domestic spats, and
resented the fact that I should even appear on the scene and get involved. This got my dander up, and as Cindy showed some of the bruises she had sustained I laid down the law to both of them. I told Cindy that I never wanted her to call me again to intervene should they have another fight. What did she want me to do about protecting her? Beat up on Will? He was bigger and stronger and thirty years younger than I was, so that was no solution. Next time, if there was a next time, and she was in danger, she should call the police and leave me out of it. And furthermore, if there ever was another row like this, they were both through, and contract or no contract, I would have them removed from the premises immediately.

Things simmered down after that, at least on the surface. I
noticed Will moved out of the upstairs bedroom and set up a cot in the
small southeast corner office on the ground floor, and the situation
remained that way for the duration. However, we were making a lot of
progress in the movement during 1988. For one thing, starting with issue No. 40 (June, 1988) we put out and issue a month and never missed a deadline for the next 16 issues. This I consider a major accomplishment, and it extended well beyond Will and Cindy's tenure. Will considered himself an artist and added a few touches here and there to improve interest. But the greatest boon which came to us without any solicitation on our part was the volume of excellent and hard-hitting cartoons drawn and sent to us by an artist and cartoonist named Ron Quinn in Tucson, Arizona. He sent us hundreds of well thought out cartoons that would fit in with our articles, or stand by themselves, that always hit the nail on the head. Many thanks, Ron. He was still sending them even long after I resigned.

During this period of continuity, our circulation increased, our
donations increased, and we were beginning to get some of our members from Milwaukee, Detroit, Baltimore, and even Toronto, Canada to come and visit us for a week or so. We would invariably put them up in the bunk beds in the school. They would, of course, have to supply their own blankets and bedding, but it was a morale-uplifting experience to get to visit with and know our racial supporters first hand. Some of these were ready and eager to quit what they were doing and come work with us at the center at almost any remuneration that would keep them alive.

One of these was a 20 year-old fellow by the name of Allen W.
Reynolds from the Atlanta area, East Point to be exact. He started helping Will with the correspondence, addressing labels in mailing out the paper, and Will was so impressed with his cooperation and willingness to work that he soon persuaded me to put him on the payroll at a mere $250 a month, starting the last week of April, 1989, then soon raised it to $300 a month. He seemed very much engrossed in our religious mission, and was eager to get the classes going for the School for Gifted Boys. I was also eager to get it going and had been trying to enlist candidates for the last several years, but we could never get enough boys together to make it worthwhile. A. W., as we called him, said he would make it his special project to get a class together. I said fine, you take charge. This would entail putting together a teaching curriculum for two weeks, getting groceries and holding classes and keeping the school clean and in good shape. A.W. said
he would take care of the whole thing. He himself was living at the school.


Ben Klassen on Will Williams, Part Trois
Well, he did draw up a fancy and detailed program for every day of the week, but by July 15, 1989 when the classes were to start we had only three candidates, despite the fact that we had advertised widely in RACIAL LOYALTY. None of the three paid for their required fee of $300 for the two week stay. There were, however, other members who did contribute donations to make up for these boys. We decided to go ahead with the program anyway and I went ahead and bought the groceries to get the program started. The three candidates were Mark Wilson, 20; Arno Michaels, 18; both from Milwaukee, and Matt Hayhow, 22.

With A. W. Reynolds in charge of the teaching and instructing, the
first week was a total flop. None of the three boys had the slightest
respect for him nor did they care to listen to him or take orders from him. Will Williams gave no support to the program, since he deemed it was A. W.'s idea and he and A. W. were by now bitter enemies. We should remember that it was initially Will who brought A. W. into the organization in the first place and had the highest of praise for his abilities and dedication. But as Cindy sadly warned me on their wedding day, Will's best friends invariably turn into his worst enemies, and the case of A. W. was no exception.

However, with the help of Paul Wheeler, an older member from
Andrews, North Carolina, they did have quite a lot of activity and fun
going camping, doing some target practice with the guns they had brought along, doing some rappelling with ropes in some cave located in South Carolina, and some other outdoor activities.

However, that was not the kind of activity I had in mind when I
planned the school for leadership training, interesting and beneficial as
they might be for the Forest Rangers or other occupations. They were here to be indoctrinated in Creativity and learn how to lead, teach, and recruit other members of the White race to join with us in spreading the ideology and the zeal of our religious teachings.

So the second week I took over, and we had regular classes in the
main dining room of the school in which we studied certain key chapters in our Basic Books for study and discussion and assigned chapters for reading and preparations for the next day. The classes were well prepared and we covered a lot of ground. Instead of being the instructor to whom nobody paid any attention, Allen Reynolds now became the fourth pupil, and everybody paid strict attention.

Meanwhile the situation between the two marrieds had not improved any. In fact, it had gotten intolerably worse, although I never again received a phone call for help from Cindy after the lecture and warning I had given the two of them, and Will still slept on his separate cot downstairs to the very end, which by July of 1989 was drawing near. The fights had been continuing, although they did not drag me into them. In one fight, Will had kicked Cindy around with his hob-nailed army boots, and when she tried to protect her behind with her hand, he kicked her so hard that he broke one of the metacarpal bones in her right hand. They had to go to a doctor and have the bone set and the whole hand and arm up to her elbow set in a cast. Since Cindy was our one and only typesetter, this put us in a dilemma as far as getting the paper out.

However, with my wife Henrie helping type some of the time, and
Will using his hunt-and-peck technique part of the time, and Cindy typing with only one hand the rest of the time, we did manage to get the paper out each month without fail, although her arm was in a cast for six weeks.

By the end of July 1989, Cindy left, to where I know not. Will
stayed on a little longer to get his affairs cleaned up (he still had his
old Airstream trailer in the back of the church) and he promised to stay on until we had the present edition of RACIAL LOYALTY put together. But he elshed on that promise and did next to nothing during the period between August 1 and August 19, when he too left. I paid him $400 for that time period, although he contributed very little.

 
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Absolutely no one on this board has ever met you in person, 6Killer, correct? Unless some confederate of yours cares to chime in.
I know 6KILLER.

& I know chain likes overseas sex-tours with little boys.
 
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