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Old May 27th, 2011 #1681
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Smile Steele's Local Fish Wrap Publishes LTE

It is amazing that Steele's local fish wrap would allow this letter to be published. You can comment at the link but keep it civil.
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Judge should withdraw, order new trial in case

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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:00 am

Attorney Edgar Steele is known as “attorney for the damned” because of his defense of the world’s most politically incorrect clients. Aryan Nation’s Richard Butler was one. Edgar, with his Conspiracy Pen Pal website for all to see and hear is very much politically incorrect in most all his views as well, but that is not a criminal offense. Or is it?

Edgar was charged with plot to murder his mother-in-law and his wife of 26 years for the life insurance payoff and was found guilty May 5 of all four counts. The copy of the insurance contract was, of course, entered into evidence, right? No? It did not even exist?

The biggest part of evidence government used to convict him were audio recordings of Edgar allegedly plotting with FBI informant, Larry Fairfax. To counter the defense had not just one but two expert witnesses to testify that the tapes were phony/contrived, but the judge ruled that the expert witnesses would just “confuse” the jury and would not be allowed to testify. Huh? In the USA?

Doesn’t that make the case very one sided? Doesn’t due process require allowance of witnesses, especially expert ones? Used to hear about tyrannical government of Communist East Germany with their Stasi “show trials” before the Berlin Wall came down in 1987. Is this not shades of the same?

At the very least this judge should step down and have a retrial. It is not just one life she has destroyed, but an entire family.

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Old May 27th, 2011 #1682
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You would have thought the Steele would have known The Five Words. He should have told the cops that he wasn't going to talk until he got a lawyer.
Lying Cop: Your wife is dead
Husband of not-dead wife: I need a lawyer

Is that the way normal people react? I think not.

Just because someone reacts calmly when told of a loved one dying is by no means evidence that they killed that person. The very suggestion is ridiculous at the face of it. Everyone is different, some will be calm, some will get hysterical.


Now, there have been plenty of these sting operations in which the FBI lies to a spouse suspected of arranging a murder-for-hire in which the spouse/suspect does a marvelous acting job worthy of an Oscar, tears/wailing etc. I'm just going by some of the cop shows in which they show police surveillance video of a known spouse who has arranged a murder-for-hire crying and wailing upon being told the (fake) murder occurred. In fact, going by these examples would indicate that calmness is an indication that he wasn't guilty.
 
Old May 27th, 2011 #1683
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Old Cop posted at 6:24 pm on Thu, May 26, 2011.
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No argument here Frank. Steele didn't get justice. Justice would have meant a rope and a tree outside the courthouse. Man! he got off easy. Most criminals don't get justice. They get caught up going around in the revolving door so they can get a second and a third chance at it. Many members of the bar get rich and the public picks up the tab.
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Frank F posted at 5:10 pm on Thu, May 26, 2011.
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One is naive to ever expect justice at the courthouse.
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Lovinlife posted at 2:05 pm on Thu, May 26, 2011.
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It is so unfair when you are guilty of a crime and you don't get set free, boo hoo Mr. Steele. Thank goodness the jurors were smart and convicted such a lowlife sick twisted person. So sick of horrible people being let back into society because of evidence or lack of. Everything in this case went exactly how it should have.
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Old Cop posted at 1:49 pm on Thu, May 26, 2011.
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Defense attorneys seldom handle cases where the client is a popular figure. Only Edgar self styles himself as Attorney for the Damned. Butler was a total wipeout jerk but infamous only for his nazi association not because his crimes were particularly heinous. Fair minded people don't hold an attorney in contempt because he/her represents people charged with crimes. That's their job and Edgar wasn't even particularly good at it. He is right where he belongs because of what he did not because anybody has it in for him. Evidently Steele's wife's testimony wasn't very believable or the prosecution might have had a tough time getting the verdict Edgar deserved. It's not really unusual for a judge to not allow testimony from a so called expert. Most usually it's done from a strong belief or outright knowledge that the witness is not qualified. I've seen witnesses spend hours providing information on their background to establish they truly are qualified to form an expert opinion. I have been qualified any number of times which usually makes the process a matter of stipulation. Without knowing what went on I would guess the judge decided they were not really experts in that field.
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Aaron C posted at 11:12 am on Thu, May 26, 2011.
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Wesley the biggest piece of evidence against Steele was his online affairs with Ukranian women. The insurance payout was going to be the money he used to go be with these women once his wife had been killed. He had all the motive and an accomplice who sold him out. The guy could care less about his wife cause he thinks with something lower than his belt. Hopefully his wife will get a chance to clear her head from his manipulating ways and see how she was being decieved.
 
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SANDPOINT — A Sagle attorney convicted of plotting the murders of his wife and her mother is threatening litigation over the Bonner County Jail’s book policy. Edgar Steele contends the facility’s policy of allowing only Bibles to be delivered to inmates violates his right to freedom of religion.

“I am a Taoist,” Steele said in the four-page tort claim, also known as a notice of intent to sue. Taoism is philosophical and religious tradition which dates back to 6th century China. It emphasizes compassion, moderation and humility.
WTF is a Taoist?

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Steele also contends the jail effectively censors inmate reading materials because jail chaplains distribute them. Steele said the materials tend to be of the Christian fundamentalist and dispensationalist varieties. “This constitutes an illegal and extensive entanglement of church and state,” Steele wrote.
The claim seeks a broadened book policy. If the claim is denied, Steele would be free to file suit against the county in 1st District Court. If the matter results in civil litigation, Steele intends to obtain unspecified monetary damages from the county.
They only have Christian books. They're discriminating against my religion. I'm suing. Wow the irony. Steele reminds me of
 
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There might be a tactical reason for it and good work. And it might provide insight into Steele's current state of mind.

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Tao Ching
Tao Classic - Chapters 1 to 37
Chapter 1
The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders
Chapter 2
When the world knows beauty as beauty, ugliness arises
When it knows good as good, evil arises
Thus being and non-being produce each other
Difficult and easy bring about each other
Long and short reveal each other
High and low support each other
Music and voice harmonize each other
Front and back follow each other
Therefore the sages:
Manage the work of detached actions
Conduct the teaching of no words
They work with myriad things but do not control
They create but do not possess
They act but do not presume
They succeed but do not dwell on success
It is because they do not dwell on success
That it never goes away
Chapter 3
Do not glorify the achievers
So the people will not squabble
Do not treasure goods that are hard to obtain
So the people will not become thieves
Do not show the desired things
So their hearts will not be confused
Thus the governance of the sage:
Empties their hearts
Fills their bellies
Weakens their ambitions
Strengthens their bones
Let the people have no cunning and no greed
So those who scheme will not dare to meddle
Act without contrivance
And nothing will be beyond control
Chapter 4
The Tao is empty
When utilized, it is not filled up
So deep! It seems to be the source of all things
It blunts the sharpness
Unravels the knots
Dims the glare
Mixes the dusts
So indistinct! It seems to exist
I do not know whose offspring it is
Its image is the predecessor of the Emperor
Chapter 5
Heaven and Earth are impartial
They regard myriad things as straw dogs
The sages are impartial
They regard people as straw dogs
The space between Heaven and Earth
Is it not like a bellows?
Empty, and yet never exhausted
It moves, and produces more
Too many words hasten failure
Cannot compare to keeping to the void
Chapter 6
The valley spirit, undying
Is called the Mystic Female
The gate of the Mystic Female
Is called the root of Heaven and Earth
It flows continuously, barely perceptible
Utilize it; it is never exhausted
Chapter 7
Heaven and Earth are everlasting
The reason Heaven and Earth can last forever
Is that they do not exist for themselves
Thus they can last forever
Therefore the sages:
Place themselves last but end up in front
Are outside of themselves and yet survive
Is it not due to their selflessness?
That is how they can achieve their own goals
Chapter 8
The highest goodness resembles water
Water greatly benefits myriad things without contention
It stays in places that people dislike
Therefore it is similar to the Tao
Dwelling with the right location
Feeling with great depth
Giving with great kindness
Speaking with great integrity
Governing with great administration
Handling with great capability
Moving with great timing
Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach
Chapter 9
Holding a cup and overfilling it
Cannot be as good as stopping short
Pounding a blade and sharpening it
Cannot be kept for long
Gold and jade fill up the room
No one is able to protect them
Wealth and position bring arrogance
And leave disasters upon oneself
When achievement is completed, fame is attained
Withdraw oneself
This is the Tao of Heaven
Chapter 10
In holding the soul and embracing oneness
Can one be steadfast, without straying?
In concentrating the energy and reaching relaxation
Can one be like an infant?
In cleaning away the worldly view
Can one be without imperfections?
In loving the people and ruling the nation
Can one be without manipulation?
In the heavenly gate's opening and closing
Can one hold to the feminine principle?
In understanding clearly all directions
Can one be without intellectuality?
Bearing it, rearing it
Bearing without possession
Achieving without arrogance
Raising without domination
This is called the Mystic Virtue
Chapter 11
Thirty spokes join in one hub
In its emptiness, there is the function of a vehicle
Mix clay to create a container
In its emptiness, there is the function of a container
Cut open doors and windows to create a room
In its emptiness, there is the function of a room
Therefore, that which exists is used to create benefit
That which is empty is used to create functionality
Chapter 12
The five colors make one blind in the eyes
The five sounds make one deaf in the ears
The five flavors make one tasteless in the mouth
Racing and hunting make one wild in the heart
Goods that are difficult to acquire make one cause damage
Therefore the sages care for the stomach and not the eyes
That is why they discard the other and take this
Chapter 13
Favor and disgrace make one fearful
The greatest misfortune is the self
What does "favor and disgrace make one fearful" mean?
Favor is high; disgrace is low
Having it makes one fearful
Losing it makes one fearful
This is "favor and disgrace make one fearful"
What does "the greatest misfortune is the self" mean?
The reason I have great misfortune
Is that I have the self
If I have no self
What misfortune do I have?
So one who values the self as the world
Can be given the world
One who loves the self as the world
Can be entrusted with the world
Chapter 14
Look at it, it cannot be seen
It is called colorless
Listen to it, it cannot be heard
It is called noiseless
Reach for it, it cannot be held
It is called formless
These three cannot be completely unraveled
So they are combined into one
Above it, not bright
Below it, not dark
Continuing endlessly, cannot be named
It returns back into nothingness
Thus it is called the form of the formless
The image of the imageless
This is called enigmatic
Confront it, its front cannot be seen
Follow it, its back cannot be seen
Wield the Tao of the ancients
To manage the existence of today
One can know the ancient beginning
It is called the Tao Axiom
Chapter 15
The Tao masters of antiquity
Subtle wonders through mystery
Depths that cannot be discerned
Because one cannot discern them
Therefore one is forced to describe the appearance
Hesitant, like crossing a wintry river
Cautious, like fearing four neighbors
Solemn, like a guest
Loose, like ice about to melt
Genuine, like plain wood
Open, like a valley
Opaque, like muddy water
Who can be muddled yet desist
In stillness gradually become clear?
Who can be serene yet persist
In motion gradually come alive?
One who holds this Tao does not wish to be overfilled
Because one is not overfilled
Therefore one can preserve and not create anew
Chapter 16
Attain the ultimate emptiness
Hold on to the truest tranquility
The myriad things are all active
I therefore watch their return
Everything flourishes; each returns to its root
Returning to the root is called tranquility
Tranquility is called returning to one's nature
Returning to one's nature is called constancy
Knowing constancy is called clarity
Not knowing constancy, one recklessly causes trouble
Knowing constancy is acceptance
Acceptance is impartiality
Impartiality is sovereign
Sovereign is Heaven
Heaven is Tao
Tao is eternal
The self is no more, without danger
Chapter 17
The highest rulers, people do not know they have them
The next level, people love them and praise them
The next level, people fear them
The next level, people despise them
If the rulers' trust is insufficient
Have no trust in them
Proceeding calmly, valuing their words
Task accomplished, matter settled
The people all say, "We did it naturally"
Chapter 18
The great Tao fades away
There is benevolence and justice
Intelligence comes forth
There is great deception
The six relations are not harmonious
There is filial piety and kind affection
The country is in confused chaos
There are loyal ministers
Chapter 19
End sagacity; abandon knowledge
The people benefit a hundred times
End benevolence; abandon righteousness
The people return to piety and charity
End cunning; discard profit
Bandits and thieves no longer exist
These three things are superficial and insufficient
Thus this teaching has its place:
Show plainness; hold simplicity
Reduce selfishness; decrease desires
Chapter 20
Cease learning, no more worries
Respectful response and scornful response
How much is the difference?
Goodness and evil
How much do they differ?
What the people fear, I cannot be unafraid
So desolate! How limitless it is!
The people are excited
As if enjoying a great feast
As if climbing up to the terrace in spring
I alone am quiet and uninvolved
Like an infant not yet smiling
So weary, like having no place to return
The people all have surplus
While I alone seem lacking
I have the heart of a fool indeed – so ignorant!
Ordinary people are bright
I alone am muddled
Ordinary people are scrutinizing
I alone am obtuse
Such tranquility, like the ocean
Such high wind, as if without limits
The people all have goals
And I alone am stubborn and lowly
I alone am different from them
And value the nourishing mother
Chapter 21
The appearance of great virtue
Follows only the Tao
The Tao, as a thing
Seems indistinct, seems unclear
So unclear, so indistinct
Within it there is image
So indistinct, so unclear
Within it there is substance
So deep, so profound
Within it there is essence
Its essence is supremely real
Within it there is faith
From ancient times to the present
Its name never departs
To observe the source of all things
How do I know the nature of the source?
With this
Chapter 22
Yield and remain whole
Bend and remain straight
Be low and become filled
Be worn out and become renewed
Have little and receive
Have much and be confused
Therefore the sages hold to the one as an example for the world
Without flaunting themselves – and so are seen clearly
Without presuming themselves – and so are distinguished
Without praising themselves – and so have merit
Without boasting about themselves – and so are lasting
Because they do not contend, the world cannot contend with them
What the ancients called "the one who yields and remains whole"
Were they speaking empty words?
Sincerity becoming whole, and returning to oneself
Chapter 23
Sparse speech is natural
Thus strong wind does not last all morning
Sudden rain does not last all day
What makes this so? Heaven and Earth
Even Heaven and Earth cannot make it last
How can humans?
Thus those who follow the Tao are with the Tao
Those who follow virtue are with virtue
Those who follow loss are with loss
Those who are with the Tao, the Tao is also pleased to have them
Those who are with virtue, virtue is also pleased to have them
Those who are with loss, loss is also please to have them
Those who do not trust sufficiently, others have no trust in them
Chapter 24
Those who are on tiptoes cannot stand
Those who straddle cannot walk
Those who flaunt themselves are not clear
Those who presume themselves are not distinguished
Those who praise themselves have no merit
Those who boast about themselves do not last
Those with the Tao call such things leftover food or tumors
They despise them
Thus, those who possesses the Tao do not engage in them
Chapter 25
There is something formlessly created
Born before Heaven and Earth
So silent! So ethereal!
Independent and changeless
Circulating and ceaseless
It can be regarded as the mother of the world
I do not know its name
Identifying it, I call it "Tao"
Forced to describe it, I call it great
Great means passing
Passing means receding
Receding means returning
Therefore the Tao is great
Heaven is great
Earth is great
The sovereign is also great
There are four greats in the universe
And the sovereign occupies one of them
Humans follow the laws of Earth
Earth follows the laws of Heaven
Heaven follows the laws of Tao
Tao follows the laws of nature
Chapter 26
Heaviness is the root of lightness
Quietness is the master of restlessness
Therefore the sages travel an entire day
Without leaving the heavy supplies
Even though there are luxurious sights
They are composed and transcend beyond
How can the lords of ten thousand chariots
Apply themselves lightly to the world?
To be light is to lose one's root
To be restless is to lose one's mastery
Chapter 27
Good traveling does not leave tracks
Good speech does not seek faults
Good reckoning does not use counters
Good closure needs no bar and yet cannot be opened
Good knot needs no rope and yet cannot be untied
Therefore sages often save others
And so do not abandon anyone
They often save things
And so do not abandon anything
This is called following enlightenment
Therefore the good person is the teacher of the bad person
The bad person is the resource of the good person
Those who do not value their teachers
And do not love their resources
Although intelligent, they are greatly confused
This is called the essential wonder
Chapter 28
Know the masculine, hold to the feminine
Be the watercourse of the world
Being the watercourse of the world
The eternal virtue does not depart
Return to the state of the infant
Know the white, hold to the black
Be the standard of the world
Being the standard of the world
The eternal virtue does not deviate
Return to the state of the boundless
Know the honor, hold to the humility
Be the valley of the world
Being the valley of the world
The eternal virtue shall be sufficient
Return to the state of plain wood
Plain wood splits, then becomes tools
The sages utilize them
And then become leaders
Thus the greater whole is undivided
Chapter 29
Those who wish to take the world and control it
I see that they cannot succeed
The world is a sacred instrument
One cannot control it
The one who controls it will fail
The one who grasps it will lose
Because all things:
Either lead or follow
Either blow hot or cold
Either have strength or weakness
Either have ownership or take by force
Therefore the sage:
Eliminates extremes
Eliminates excess
Eliminates arrogance
Chapter 30
The one who uses the Tao to advise the ruler
Does not dominate the world with soldiers
Such methods tend to be returned
The place where the troops camp
Thistles and thorns grow
Following the great army
There must be an inauspicious year
A good commander achieves result, then stops
And does not dare to reach for domination
Achieves result but does not brag
Achieves result but does not flaunt
Achieves result but is not arrogant
Achieves result but only out of necessity
Achieves result but does not dominate
Things become strong and then get old
This is called contrary to the Tao
That which is contrary to the Tao soon ends
Chapter 31
A strong military, a tool of misfortune
All things detest it
Therefore, those who possess the Tao avoid it
Honorable gentlemen, while at home, value the left
When deploying the military, value the right
The military is a tool of misfortune
Not the tool of honorable gentlemen
When using it out of necessity
Calm detachment should be above all
Victorious but without glory
Those who glorify
Are delighting in the killing
Those who delight in killing
Cannot achieve their ambitions upon the world
Auspicious events favor the left
Inauspicious events favor the right
The lieutenant general is positioned to the left
The major general is positioned to the right
We say that they are treated as if in a funeral
Those who have been killed
Should be mourned with sadness
Victory in war should be treated as a funeral
Chapter 32
The Tao, eternally nameless
Its simplicity, although imperceptible
Cannot be treated by the world as subservient
If the sovereign can hold on to it
All will follow by themselves
Heaven and Earth, together in harmony
Will rain sweet dew
People will not need to force it; it will adjust by itself
In the beginning, there were names
Names came to exist everywhere
One should know when to stop
Knowing when to stop, thus avoiding danger
The existence of the Tao in the world
Is like streams in the valley into rivers and the ocean
Chapter 33
Those who understand others are intelligent
Those who understand themselves are enlightened
Those who overcome others have strength
Those who overcome themselves are powerful
Those who know contentment are wealthy
Those who proceed vigorously have willpower
Those who do not lose their base endure
Those who die but do not perish have longevity
Chapter 34
The great Tao is like a flood
It can flow to the left or to the right
The myriad things depend on it for life, but it never stops
It achieves its work, but does not take credit
It clothes and feeds myriad things, but does not rule over them
Ever desiring nothing
It can be named insignificant
Myriad things return to it but it does not rule over them
It can be named great
Even in the end, it does not regard itself as great
That is how it can achieve its greatness
Chapter 35
Hold the great image
All under heaven will come
They come without harm, in harmonious peace
Music and food, passing travelers stop
The Tao that is spoken out of the mouth
Is bland and without flavor
Look at it, it cannot be seen
Listen to it, it cannot be heard
Use it, it cannot be exhausted
Chapter 36
If one wishes to shrink it
One must first expand it
If one wishes to weaken it
One must first strengthen it
If one wishes to discard it
One must first promote it
If one wishes to seize it
One must first give it
This is called subtle clarity
The soft and weak overcomes the tough and strong
Fish cannot leave the depths
The sharp instruments of the state
Cannot be shown to the people
Chapter 37
The Tao is constant in non-action
Yet there is nothing it does not do
If the sovereign can hold on to this
All things shall transform themselves
Transformed, yet wishing to achieve
I shall restrain them with the simplicity of the nameless
The simplicity of the nameless
They shall be without desire
Without desire, using stillness
The world shall steady itself

Te Ching
Virtue Classic - Chapters 38 to 81
Chapter 38
High virtue is not virtuous
Therefore it has virtue
Low virtue never loses virtue
Therefore it has no virtue
High virtue takes no contrived action
And acts without agenda
Low virtue takes contrived action
And acts with agenda
High benevolence takes contrived action
And acts without agenda
High righteousness takes contrived action
And acts with agenda
High etiquette takes contrived action
And upon encountering no response
Uses arms to pull others
Therefore, the Tao is lost, and then virtue
Virtue is lost, and then benevolence
Benevolence is lost, and then righteousness
Righteousness is lost, and then etiquette
Those who have etiquette
are a thin shell of loyalty and sincerity
And the beginning of chaos
Those with foreknowledge
Are the flowers of the Tao
And the beginning of ignorance
Therefore the great person:
Abides in substance, and does not dwell on the thin shell
Abides in the real, and does not dwell on the flower
Thus they discard that and take this
Chapter 39
Those that attained oneness since ancient times:
The sky attained oneness and thus clarity
The earth attained oneness and thus tranquility
The gods attained oneness and thus divinity
The valley attained oneness and thus abundance
The myriad things attained oneness and thus life
The rulers attained oneness and became the standard for the world
These all emerged from oneness
The sky, lacking clarity, would break apart
The earth, lacking tranquility, would erupt
The gods, lacking divinity, would vanish
The valley, lacking abundance, would wither
Myriad things, lacking life, would be extinct
The rulers, lacking standard, would be toppled
Therefore, the honored uses the lowly as basis
The higher uses the lower as foundation
Thus the rulers call themselves alone, bereft, and unworthy
Is this not using the lowly as basis? Is it not so?
Therefore, the ultimate honor is no honor
Do not wish to be shiny like jade
Be dull like rocks
Chapter 40
The returning is the movement of the Tao
The weak is the utilization of the Tao
The myriad things of the world are born of being
Being is born of non-being
Chapter 41
Higher people hear of the Tao
They diligently practice it
Average people hear of the Tao
They sometimes keep it and sometimes lose it
Lower people hear of the Tao
They laugh loudly at it
If they do not laugh, it would not be the Tao
Therefore a proverb has the following:
The clear Tao appears unclear
The advancing Tao appears to retreat
The smooth Tao appears uneven
High virtue appears like a valley
Great integrity appears like disgrace
Encompassing virtue appears insufficient
Building virtue appears inactive
True substance appears inconstant
The great square has no corners
The great vessel is late in completion
The great music is imperceptible in sound
The great image has no form
The Tao is hidden and nameless
Yet it is only the Tao
That excels in giving and completing everything
Chapter 42
Tao produces one
One produces two
Two produce three
Three produce myriad things
Myriad things, backed by yin and embracing yang
Achieve harmony by integrating their energy
What the people dislike
Are alone, bereft, and unworthy
But the rulers call themselves with these terms
So with all things
Appear to take loss but benefit
Or receive benefit but lose
What the ancients taught
I will also teach
The violent one cannot have a natural death
I will use this as the principal of all teachings
Chapter 43
The softest things of the world
Override the hardest things of the world
That which has no substance
Enters into that which has no openings
From this I know the benefits of unattached actions
The teaching without words
The benefits of actions without attachment
Are rarely matched in the world
Chapter 44
Fame or the self, which is dearer?
The self or wealth, which is greater?
Gain or loss, which is more painful?
Thus excessive love must lead to great spending
Excessive hoarding must lead to heavy loss
Knowing contentment avoids disgrace
Knowing when to stop avoids danger
Thus one can endure indefinitely
Chapter 45
Great perfection seems flawed
Its function is without failure
Great fullness seems empty
Its function is without exhaustion
Great straightness seems bent
Great skill seems unrefined
Great eloquence seems inarticulate
Movement overcomes cold
Stillness overcomes heat
Clear quietness is the standard of the world
Chapter 46
When the world has the Tao
Fast horses are retired to till the soil
When the world lacks the Tao
Warhorses give birth on the battlefield
There is no crime greater than greed
No disaster greater than discontentment
No fault greater than avarice
Thus the satisfaction of contentment
is the lasting satisfaction
Chapter 47
Without going out the door, know the world
Without peering out the window, see the Heavenly Tao
The further one goes
The less one knows
Therefore the sage
Knows without going
Names without seeing
Achieves without striving
Chapter 48
Pursue knowledge, daily gain
Pursue Tao, daily loss
Loss and more loss
Until one reaches unattached action
With unattached action, there is nothing one cannot do
Take the world by constantly applying non-interference
The one who interferes is not qualified to take the world
Chapter 49
The sages have no constant mind
They take the mind of the people as their mind
Those who are good, I am good to them
Those who are not good, I am also good to them
Thus the virtue of goodness
Those who believe, I believe them
Those who do not believe, I also believe them
Thus the virtue of belief
The sages live in the world
They cautiously merge their mind for the world
The people all pay attention with their ears and eyes
The sages care for them as children
Chapter 50
Coming into life, entering death
The followers of life, three in ten
The followers of death, three in ten
Those whose lives are moved toward death
Also three in ten
Why? Because they live lives of excess
I've heard of those who are good at cultivating life
Traveling on the road, they do not encounter rhinos or tigers
Entering into an army, they are not harmed by weapons
Rhinos have nowhere to thrust their horns
Tigers have nowhere to clasp their claws
Soldiers have nowhere to lodge their blades
Why? Because they have no place for death
Chapter 51
Tao produces them
Virtue raises them
Things shape them
Forces perfect them
Therefore all things respect the Tao and value virtue
The respect for Tao, the value of virtue
Not due to command but to constant nature
Thus Tao produces them
Virtue raises them
Grows them, educates them
Perfects them, matures them
Nurtures them, protects them
Produces but does not possess
Acts but does not flaunt
Nurtures but does not dominate
This is called Mystic Virtue
Chapter 52
The world has a beginning
We regard it as the mother of the world
Having its mother
We can know her children
Knowing her children
Still holding on to the mother
Live without danger all through life
Close the mouth
Shut the doors
Live without toil all through life
Open the mouth
Meddle in the affairs
Live without salvation all through life
Seeing details is called clarity
Holding on to the soft is called strength
Utilize the light
Return to the clarity
Leaving no disasters for the self
This is called practicing constancy
Chapter 53
If I have a little knowledge
Walking on the great Tao
I fear only to deviate from it
The great Tao is broad and plain
But people like the side paths
The courts are corrupt
The fields are barren
The warehouses are empty
Officials wear fineries
Carry sharp swords
Fill up on drinks and food
Acquire excessive wealth
This is called robbery
It is not the Tao!
Chapter 54
That which is well established cannot be uprooted
That which is strongly held cannot be taken
The descendants will commemorate it forever
Cultivate it in yourself; its virtue shall be true
Cultivate it in the family; its virtue shall be abundant
Cultivate it in the community; its virtue shall be lasting
Cultivate it in the country; its virtue shall be prosperous
Cultivate it in the world; its virtue shall be widespread
Therefore observe others with yourself
Observe other families with your family
Observe other communities with your community
Observe other countries with your country
Observe the world with the world
With what do I know the world?
With this
Chapter 55
Those who hold an abundance of virtue
Are similar to newborn infants
Poisonous insects do not sting them
Wild beasts do not claw them
Birds of prey do not attack them
Their bones are weak, tendons are soft
But their grasp is firm
They do not know of sexual union but can manifest arousal
Due to the optimum of essence
They can cry the whole day and yet not be hoarse
Due to the optimum of harmony
Knowing harmony is said to be constancy
Knowing constancy is said to be clarity
Excessive vitality is said to be inauspicious
Mind overusing energy is said to be aggressive
Things become strong and then grow old
This is called contrary to the Tao
That which is contrary to the Tao will soon perish
Chapter 56
Those who know do not talk
Those who talk do not know
Close the mouth
Shut the doors
Blunt the sharpness
Unravel the knots
Dim the glare
Mix the dust
This is called Mystic Oneness
They cannot obtain this and be closer
They cannot obtain this and be distant
They cannot obtain this and be benefited
They cannot obtain this and be harmed
They cannot obtain this and be valued
They cannot obtain this and be degraded
Therefore, they become honored by the world
Chapter 57
Govern a country with upright integrity
Deploy the military with surprise tactics
Take the world with non-interference
How do I know this is so?
With the following:
When there are many restrictions in the world
The people become more impoverished
When people have many sharp weapons
The country becomes more chaotic
When people have many clever tricks
More strange things occur
The more laws are posted
The more robbers and thieves there are
Therefore the sage says:
I take unattached action, and the people transform themselves
I prefer quiet, and the people right themselves
I do not interfere, and the people enrich themselves
I have no desires, and the people simplify themselves
Chapter 58
When governing is lackluster
The people are simple and honest
When governing is scrutinizing
The people are shrewd and crafty
Misfortune is what fortune depends upon
Fortune is where misfortune hides beneath
Who knows their ultimate end?
They have no determined outcome
Rightness reverts to become strange
Goodness reverts to become wicked
The confusion of people
has lasted many long days
Therefore the sages are:
Righteous without being scathing
Incorruptible without being piercing
Straightforward without being ruthless
Illuminated without being flashy
Chapter 59
In governing people and serving Heaven
There is nothing like conservation
Only with conservation is it called submitting early
Submitting early is called emphasis on accumulating virtues
Accumulating virtues means there is nothing one cannot overcome
When there is nothing that one cannot overcome
One's limits are unknown
The limitations being unknown, one can possess sovereignty
With this mother principle of power, one can be everlasting
This is called deep roots and firm foundation
The Tao of longevity and lasting vision
Chapter 60
Ruling a large country is like cooking a small fish
Using the Tao to manage the world
Its demons have no power
Not only do its demons have no power
Its gods do not harm people
Not only do its gods not harm people
The sages also do not harm people
They both do no harm to one another
So virtue merges and returns
Chapter 61
The large country is like the lowest river
The converging point of the world
The receptive female of the world
The female always overcomes the male with serenity
Using serenity as the lower position
Thus if the large country is lower than the small country
Then it can take the small country
If the small country is lower than the large country
Then it can be taken by the large country
Thus one uses the lower position to take
The other uses the lower position to be taken
The large country only wishes to gather and protect people
The small country only wishes to join and serve people
So that both obtain what they wish
The larger one should assume the lower position
Chapter 62
The Tao is the wonder of all things
The treasure of the kind person
The protection of the unkind person
Admirable words can win the public's respect
Admirable actions can improve people
Those who are unkind
How can they be abandoned?
Therefore, when crowning the Emperor
And installing the three ministers
Although there is the offering of jade before four horses
None of it can compare to being seated in this Tao
Why did the ancients value this Tao so much?
Is it not said that those who seek will find,
And those with guilt will not be faulted?
Therefore, it is the greatest value in the world
Chapter 63
Act without action
Manage without meddling
Taste without tasting
Great, small, many, few
Respond to hatred with virtue
Plan difficult tasks through the simplest tasks
Achieve large tasks through the smallest tasks
The difficult tasks of the world
Must be handled through the simple tasks
The large tasks of the world
Must be handled through the small tasks
Therefore, sages never attempt great deeds all through life
Thus they can achieve greatness
One who makes promises lightly must deserve little trust
One who sees many easy tasks must encounter much difficulty
Therefore, sages regard things as difficult
So they never encounter difficulties all through life
Chapter 64
When it is peaceful, it is easy to maintain
When it shows no signs, it is easy to plan
When it is fragile, it is easy to break
When it is small, it is easy to scatter
Act on it when it has not yet begun
Treat it when it is not yet chaotic
A tree thick enough to embrace
Grows from the tiny sapling
A tower of nine levels
Starts from the dirt heap
A journey of a thousand miles
Begins beneath the feet
The one who meddles will fail
The one who grasps will lose
Therefore, sages do not meddle and thus do not fail
They do not grasp and thus do not lose
People, in handling affairs
Often come close to completion and fail
If they are as careful in the end as the beginning
Then they would have no failure
Therefore, sages desire not to desire
They do not value goods that are hard to acquire
They learn to unlearn
To redeem the fault of the people
To assist the nature of all things
Without daring to meddle
Chapter 65
Those of ancient times who were adept at the Tao
Used it not to make people brighter
But to keep them simple
The difficulty in governing people
Is due their excessive cleverness
Therefore, using cleverness to govern the state
Is being a thief of the state
Not using cleverness to govern the state
Is being a blessing of the state
Know that these two are both standards
Always knowing these standards
Is called Mystic Virtue
Mystic Virtue: Profound! Far-reaching!
It goes opposite to material things
Then it reaches great congruence
Chapter 66
Rivers and oceans can be the kings of a hundred valleys
Because of their goodness in staying low
So they can be the kings of a hundred valleys
Thus if sages wish to be over people
They must speak humbly to them
If they wish to be in front of people
They must place themselves behind them
Thus the sages are positioned above
But the people do not feel burdened
They are positioned in front
But the people do not feel harmed
Thus the world is glad to push them forward without resentment
Because they do not contend
So the world cannot contend with them
Chapter 67
Everyone in the world calls my Tao great
As if it is beyond compare
It is only because of its greatness
That it seems beyond compare
If it can be compared
It would already be insignificant long ago!
I have three treasures
I hold on to them and protect them
The first is called compassion
The second is called conservation
The third is called not daring to be ahead in the world
Compassionate, thus able to have courage
Conserving, thus able to reach widely
Not daring to be ahead in the world
Thus able to assume leadership
Now if one has courage but discards compassion
Reaches widely but discards conservation
Goes ahead but discards being behind
Then death!
If one fights with compassion, then victory
With defense, then security
Heaven shall save them
And with compassion guard them
Chapter 68
The great generals are not warlike
The great warriors do not get angry
Those who are good at defeating enemies do not engage them
Those who are good at managing people lower themselves
It is called the virtue of non-contention
It is called the power of managing people
It is called being harmonious with Heaven
The ultimate principle of the ancients
Chapter 69
In using the military, there is a saying:
I dare not be the host, but prefer to be the guest
I dare not advance an inch, but prefer to withdraw a foot
This is called marching in formation without formation
Raising arms without arms
Grappling enemies without enemies
Holding weapons without weapons
There is no greater disaster than to underestimate the enemy
Underestimating the enemy almost made me lose my treasures
So when evenly matched armies meet
The side that is compassionate shall win
Chapter 70
My words are easy to understand, easy to practice
The world cannot understand, cannot practice
My words have basis
My actions have principle
People do not understand this
Therefore they do not understand me
Those who understand me are few
Thus I am highly valued
Therefore the sage wears plain clothes but holds jade
Chapter 71
To know that you do not know is highest
To not know but think you know is flawed
Only when one recognizes the fault as a fault
can one be without fault
The sages are without fault
Because they recognize the fault as a fault
That is why they are without fault
Chapter 72
When people no longer fear force
They bring about greater force
Do not limit their place
Do not reject their livelihood
Because the ruler does not reject them
Therefore they do not reject the ruler
Therefore the sages:
Know themselves but do not glorify themselves
Respect themselves but do not praise themselves
Thus they discard that and take this
Chapter 73
The bold in daring will be killed
The bold in not daring will survive
Of these two, one may benefit, the other may harm
The one hated by Heaven – who knows the reason?
Even the sages still find this difficult
The Tao of Heaven:
Does not contend and yet excels in winning
Does not speak and yet excels in responding
Is not summoned and yet comes on its own
Is unhurried and yet excels in planning
The heavenly net is vast
Loose, and yet does not let anything slip through
Chapter 74
People do not fear death
How can they be threatened with death?
If people are made to constantly fear death
Then those who act unlawfully
I can capture and kill them
Who would dare?
There exists a master executioner that kills
If we substitute for the master executioner to kill
It is like substituting for the great carpenter to cut
Those who substitute for the great carpenter to cut
It is rare that they do not hurt their own hands
Chapter 75
The people's hunger
Is due to the excess of their ruler's taxation
So they starve
The people's difficulty in being governed
Is due to the meddling of their ruler
So they are difficult to govern
The people's disregard for death
Is due to the glut in their ruler's pursuit of life
So they disregard death
Therefore those who do not strive for living
Are better than those who value living
Chapter 76
While alive, the body is soft and pliant
When dead, it is hard and rigid
All living things, grass and trees,
While alive, are soft and supple
When dead, become dry and brittle
Thus that which is hard and stiff
is the follower of death
That which is soft and yielding
is the follower of life
Therefore, an inflexible army will not win
A strong tree will be cut down
The big and forceful occupy a lowly position
While the soft and pliant occupy a higher place
Chapter 77
The Tao of Heaven
Is like drawing a bow
Lower that which is high
Raise that which is low
Reduce that which has excess
Add to that which is lacking
The Tao of heaven
Reduces the excessive
And adds to the lacking
The Tao of people is not so
It reduces the lacking
In order to offer to the excessive
Who can offer their excess to the world?
Only those who have the Tao
Therefore sages act without conceit
Achieve without claiming credit
They do not wish to display their virtue!
Chapter 78
Nothing in the world is softer or weaker than water
Yet nothing is better at overcoming the hard and strong
This is because nothing can replace it
That the weak overcomes the strong
And the soft overcomes the hard
Everybody in the world knows
But cannot put into practice
Therefore sages say:
The one who accepts the humiliation of the state
Is called its master
The one who accepts the misfortune of the state
Becomes king of the world
The truth seems like the opposite
Chapter 79
After settling a great dispute
There must be remaining resentments
How can this be considered good?
Therefore the sage holds the left part of the contract
But does not demand payment from the other person
Those who have virtue hold the contract
Those without virtue hold the collections
The Heavenly Tao has no favorites
It constantly gives to the kind people
Chapter 80
Small country, few people
Let them have many weapons but not use them
Let the people regard death seriously
And not migrate far away
Although they have boats and chariots
They have no need to take them
Although they have armors and weapons
They have no need to display them
Let the people return to tying knots and using them
Savor their food, admire their clothes
Content in their homes, happy in their customs
Neighboring countries see one another
Hear the sounds of roosters and dogs from one another
The people, until they grow old and die
Do not go back and forth with one another
Chapter 81
True words are not beautiful
Beautiful words are not true
Those who are good do not debate
Those who debate are not good
Those who know are not broad of knowledge
Those who are broad of knowledge do not know
Sages do not accumulate
The more they assist others, the more they possess
The more they give to others, the more they gain
The Tao of heaven
Benefits and does not harm
The Tao of sages
Assists and does not contend
 
Old May 29th, 2011 #1686
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If this was a simple murder for hire investigation, the issue of Aryan Nations would not come up. Note the quote above where the execution of the search warrant is discussed. Why did Steele's worthless lawyers not make a big issue of this?

That is a good point Don. One of the things that got me was the cops calling his home a " big ole trailer" when it is a beautiful multilevel home. Was that some sort of dig at Steele for being racial meaning the cop thinks we should all be living in a trailer park?
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That is a good point Don. One of the things that got me was the cops calling his home a " big ole trailer" when it is a beautiful multilevel home. Was that some sort of dig at Steele for being racial meaning the cop thinks we should all be living in a trailer park?
While April has been on Steele's ranch and I haven't, I think that she is barking up the wrong tree. Steele had his trailer hooked up to pick up a big load of lumber in Spokane with Banks coming over to drive. This was part of Steele's supposed alibi.

The first Idaho cop says:
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"Branch: Big ole' trailer."
. This is consistent with a big trailer being parked in front of the ranch house.

The second Idaho cop follows up immediately with:
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"Spike: . This is quite a spread he's got here. Beautiful. What we're gonna do is walk him up to the porch."
Both remarks are properly considered complements. The moral of the story is that this transcript must be read VERY carefully to put all remarks in proper context. I have not been able to find where Steele was given his Miranda warnings or told that he was under arrest and what for.
 
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To follow up on my point, something seems to be missing here. We go from the lie by the cops about Cyndi being dead to Steel being under arrest.
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Spike: You said that: you and Cindy spoke a fair amount.

Steele: (UZ) they talked (UI) I know that (UI)

SA Sotka: (UI)

Steele: (UI) he asked me, however, how she was doing (UI) .

SA Sotka: (UI)

Steele: (UI) (Skip)

SA Sotka: (UI} Do you suspect him and her (UI, skipping}? (skip)

SA Sotka: (UI) and that's why we're here. Yeah. no, no, no, here's' your chance to come clean. (Skip) (UI) (Skip)

Steele: (UI)

SA Sotka: Okay, thanks for following your alibi. That was really good. (UI, Skipping} ·

Unknown female: Central, seventeen on eight.
 
Old May 29th, 2011 #1689
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This post by Cyndi is of great interest. If this is true, she claims that her husband has signed over all of their property to her full control. This means that she can have NO financial motive to support him and must be doing so out of her heart. This does not mean that she is correct in the way that she is going about it. Her husband's lawyers are leading her down the road to ruin . This post provides some interesting rebuttals to other posters which I include in the next section. Take note that Mona Montgomery is mouthing there after she was effectively thrown off of this forum.
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Free the Innocent posted at 12:12 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.
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For those who continue to degrade my stance for my husband, you are sadly the ones who are blind. You don’t know me, nor my husband. More importantly, you do not know the facts about this case most of which were not brought out in the trial. As some have been willing to admit, you weren’t there and you certainly are not walking in my shoes. Well, I have been and the injustice and corruption of our government that I have witnessed is a disgrace to all Americans.

Old Cop: I agree with your latest post. NO ONE has the right to threaten my life, or anyone’s life, period. I will never stand up for anyone that has or ever will ever pose a threat; that would include any man, woman or child and my mom, my own children, any family member and my husband. Its a line that nobody can cross in my mind. If they do, I will use all the legal means available such that they are prosecuted and do what it takes to keep me, as well as others, safe. Of course, since you don’t know me, it is easier for you to make false assumptions. Then you are chastising people for not getting the facts right. Well, Old Cop and others, you need to get YOUR facts right. Larry Fairfax is the person who put the bomb on my car. The FBI had evidence of a bomb at least 6 days before I found it – THEY FAILED TO WARN ME AND THUS ALLOWED IT TO STAY ON MY CAR AND PUT ME AND OTHERS IN GRAVE DANGER. The judge denied all the evidence that would have proved my husband’s innocence, including a large portion of my testimony and other testimony. The prosecution witnesses openly lied for the government, especially Agent Sotka; but then he had been lying to me since the day of my husband’s arrest, changing his story numerous times, even as late as during trial he gave new revelations. I had information to prove his lies, but I was not allowed to testify to any of that. If I had, it would have exposed them as the criminals that they are. And yes, more importantly they wrongly denied the defense audio experts the chance to testify, who had both knowledge and proof that the tapes are fabricated, edited and spliced. Consider this, if the Judge and prosecution, who were working together, had allowed the proof that the recordings were false to be heard by the jury, that really would have exposed their corruption. Did you know that the original recordings were destroyed by the government and yet they pretended, until the last minute, that they had the originals? This is the game that the government plays, they pretend to be respectable and honorable when deception shrouds their accusations. Did you know that they lie about almost everything, and are allowed to get away with it? Did you know that there was a third tape (of the arrest) which they claimed was the most incriminating, of all but they failed to produce it? If they would have, Agent Sotka wouldn’t have been able to lie on the stand about what happened that day and if that recording had been played for the jury, it would have destroyed the government agenda to silence my husband.

Aaron C: You have demonstrated that you do not pay attention to the facts. I understand that you will believe what you want, but there were no Ukrainian girlfriends. There was only innuendo. What I and others testified to was that this was all a part of my husband’s efforts to expose a human trafficking ring related to the Russian Bride Scam. This was a case he was working for a man who lost thousands of dollars, after being romanced by the rote emails, written and reused by some controlling force. My husband was close to exposing the Florida office of the Romantic Tour, which could have saved many from losses; plus, he saw this as a potential book. I knew about it and worked with him on this case. My head is clear, thank you! The ones who have lied and deceived me are from the government; however, they are either deceiving you or you have set your bias level against my husband so that you deny all truth that is favorable to him. Remember Aaron, denial is not just a River in Egypt.

Montgomery: Ed did not offer to pay Larry Fairfax any money, other than for legitimate work as a handy man. As proved by the audio experts that those recordings are edited in order to incriminate an innocent person. The evidence is clear, the money Fairfax did get is from the silver that he stole from us. Ed and I were happy and there was no divorce in the works and there was not going to be any divorce in the future either. We were making plans for our future, which was to start doing activities that we didn’t have time to do while raising our children or while he and my mom were struggling with serious health issues. Who controlled the money in our marriage was not an issue for either of us. If he was so money hungry and was afraid that I was going to take him for everything we had, explain why he has signed EVERYTHING over to me (our home, our personal property, our cash) with a full power of attorney. Why? Because he is keeping his long standing promise to me that I will be financially secure no matter the circumstances and he trusts me.

Lovinlife: No, everything in this case did not go exactly how it should have. The case should have been done with truth and honor, but it wasn’t. If it had been, my husband would be free today as he should be.
Look folks! The bottom line is that my husband is innocent and that is the only reason I’m standing up for him. You can believe what you want and you can be cruel with all your name calling and making false assumptions of things you know nothing about. I can hold my head up high for there is no shame in standing up for what I know is right and for what is the truth.
I hope the government never attacks one of your innocent loved ones, but if they do, likely you and your family will be bombarded by many who will ridicule you for standing by them. I will not be one of them. Only then would you be able to see what it has been like for me. You are all intelligent people, but your approach to the false charges against my husband has been based on unreasoned prejudice.

Best wishes to you for the future,
Cyndi Steele
 
Old May 29th, 2011 #1690
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There might be a tactical reason for it and good work. And it might provide insight into Steele's current state of mind.
I thought exactly the same thing myself about the Taoist book demand. It is about time for him to be doing something from jail besides studying Russian. He wanted to write his Ukrainian girlfriend without her having it translated from English. It is encouraging that he has at least some brain function left. This is the first proof of that since his arrest.
 
Old May 30th, 2011 #1691
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Pauly, It's pretty obvious to everyone that you are a Zogbot and troll.

After reading Cydi Steele rebuttals to the cruel comments made on the forum of the local fishwrap, it should be obvious to even the densest VNN'er that there is not and never was any Ukrainian "Girlfriend".

You sir, are a fraud and agitator.
 
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Pauly, It's pretty obvious to everyone that you are a Zogbot and troll.

After reading Cydi Steele rebuttals to the cruel comments made on the forum of the local fishwrap, it should be obvious to even the densest VNN'er that there is not and never was any Ukrainian "Girlfriend".

You sir, are a fraud and agitator.
Why don't you tell that to the worthless defense attorneys who admitted that Steele sent 14,000 emails to Ukrainian women? Cyndi has admitted that they are authentic. Why don't you tell Steele's lawyers that they should have objected to the video testimony of the Ukrainian Tatiyana Loganova and the admission of Steele's letters to her written from jail? Cyndi's post in her local Judenpresse does not refute any of these things.

Perhaps if you read the last 80 or so pages of this thread you will realize that we were all scammed by the allegation that Steele was framed. Evidence is overwhelming that mini-strokes from his aneurysm surgery have caused massive brain damage. This is no justification for the scumbag Fairfax to get a light sentence however.
 
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WTF is a Taoist?
I'm suing. Wow the irony. Steele reminds me of
Listen up asshole. You have the entire Internet at your greasy finger tips and can look up the question yourself. Lazy isn't a word we use here.

When you're locked up in a steel and concrete cage and treated in a manner that constitutes torture in civilized nations, then and only then, can you throw stones. U.S. jails are about as sadistic as it gets in the Western world.

He's fighting them in about the only way he can at this point; with paper bullets. I've been there and know what he's going through although I didn't have a life sentence facing me.
 
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I have not been able to find where Steele was given his Miranda warnings or told that he was under arrest and what for.
The police do not have to give anyone a Miranda warning unless they are about to interrogate that person. Steele is a criminal defense lawyer and knows this I'm sure.
 
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Listen up asshole. You have the entire Internet at your greasy finger tips and can look up the question yourself. Lazy isn't a word we use here.

When you're locked up in a steel and concrete cage and treated in a manner that constitutes torture in civilized nations, then and only then, can you throw stones. U.S. jails are about as sadistic as it gets in the Western world.

He's fighting them in about the only way he can at this point; with paper bullets. I've been there and know what he's going through although I didn't have a life sentence facing me.
"jew convicted of trying to murder his wife sues prison for discrimination"

"oh noes the evil Christians are discriminating against poor ole me". The reason they have only Christian literature is because 99% of the people in the state are Christian. Are they really supposed to have literature for every religion ever invented?
 
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"jew convicted of trying to murder his wife sues prison for discrimination"

"oh noes the evil Christians are discriminating against poor ole me". The reason they have only Christian literature is because 99% of the people in the state are Christian. Are they really supposed to have literature for every religion ever invented?
What evidence do you have that leads you to conclude that Edgar Steele is a Jew? Are you aware of the forum rules?
 
Old May 31st, 2011 #1697
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What evidence do you have that leads you to conclude that Edgar Steele is a Jew? Are you aware of the forum rules?
Obviously Edgar Steele is not a Jew. I am commenting on the behavior of shrieking "oh the evil Christians are discriminating against me because they don't have my religious books. I'll just sue".

If a Jew was convicted of trying to murder his wife and sued for discrimination because they didn't have torahs or yarmukles we'd all be having a good laugh over it. As it is now I do not find this funny.
 
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This is your best shot, ah,huh, pffft.

There is a war on humanity/Western civilization.


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Old May 31st, 2011 #1699
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Obviously Edgar Steele is not a Jew. I am commenting on the behavior of shrieking "oh the evil Christians are discriminating against me because they don't have my religious books. I'll just sue".

If a Jew was convicted of trying to murder his wife and sued for discrimination because they didn't have torahs or yarmukles we'd all be having a good laugh over it. As it is now I do not find this funny.
Rather than people beating up on you, they should listen to what you are trying to say. The economy is coming down on our heads and Steele is whining about not being able to get a book on Taoism. It might be a bit of a joke under normal conditions. He can have Kelsey send him all of the books that he wants on virtually any subject. The fact that he threatens a lawsuit over this is a further proof to me that his mind has been seriously damaged.

He never whined when the Spokane jail restricted his mail to post cards only but is complaining when Bonner County won't give him a free Taoist book. They have rather loose mail and visitor policies and it is rather unwise for him to beat up on them over this book. I understand that the Feds have threatened to move him to Seattle until sentencing on 22 August and they probably are not bluffing. That will stop almost all visits from his family.
 
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Pauly, It's pretty obvious to everyone that you are a Zogbot and troll.

After reading Cydi Steele rebuttals to the cruel comments made on the forum of the local fishwrap, it should be obvious to even the densest VNN'er that there is not and never was any Ukrainian "Girlfriend".

You sir, are a fraud and agitator.
No he is not, I personally vouch for Don, as a personal friend of mine. You on the other hand are just a new name with 3 posts.....
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