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Old January 23rd, 2014 #1
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Klitschko gets a fire-extinguisher discharged into his face:

Of course there's a lot more to it than that. On SF they are saying that the protests started out as being pro-EU, like the people of the Ukraine want mass immigration of shit-skins into their lives. But then the nationalists usurped the protests and it became a right-wing affair. So far, there are several dead, and some cops have been arrested by the protesters.

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A tense ceasefire was announced in Kiev on the fifth day of violence, with radical protesters and riot police holding their position. Opposition leaders are negotiating with the government, but doubts remain that they will be able to stop the rioters.

Read RT's live updates from Ukraine.

A ‘quiet period’ has been negotiated between police and opposition activists until 8pm local time (18:00 GMT), opposition leader Vitaly Klitschko said.

He promised he will be in Grushevskogo Street by the end of the ceasefire to report to the protesters on the meeting he and other opposition leaders are to have with President Viktor Yanukovich. The protesters promised to restrain from violence.

Eyewitnesses reported that the radical activists indeed stopped pelting police cordon with stones and firecrackers, which they had done for hours. Footage from the scene shows white steam clouds rising from where barricades of tires were previously burning.

Klitschko said police will not use stun grenades during the truce.

The meeting with the president will focus on the opposition’s demands to cancel a package of laws, which they see as dictatorial and draconian, Klitschko said. He added he will be demanding the resignation of the cabinet of ministers and an early presidential election.

“The chances are small, but they exist,” he said.
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Klitschko gets a fire-extinguisher discharged into his face:Of course there's a lot more to it than that. http://rt.com/news/ukraine-kiev-opposition-clashes-045/
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EU threatens to act unless Yanukovich ends Ukraine crackdown

The EU’s top official has warned Viktor Yanukovich, the Ukrainian president, that Brussels may take action unless he ends the violent crackdown on protesters, as European diplomats discussed the first steps towards possible sanctions against Kiev.

José Manuel Barroso, European Commission president, delivered the warning in a phone call with Mr Yanukovich on Thursday morning, the day after violence left as many as seven demonstrators dead in Kiev.

EU officials said Mr Yanukovich had promised not to impose a state of emergency and had agreed to meet EU mediators, led by Stefan Füle, the EU commissioner responsible for Ukrainian relations, in Kiev on Friday. Catherine Ashton, the EU foreign policy chief, may be part of a follow-on mission next week, officials said. Mr Barroso emphasised that dialogue was being prioritised ahead of Mr Füle’s visit.

The crisis was triggered by Mr Yanukovich’s last-minute decision in November not to sign a long-negotiated integration treaty with the EU and instead seek loans and closer links with Moscow. Anger has been stoked in the past week by the introduction of legislation banning protests and imposing harsh penalties on convicted demonstrators.

Mr Yanukovich on Thursday called a special session of parliament to discuss the crisis, although it was unclear if the move represented any form of compromise.

Volodymyr Rybak, the speaker of parliament, said all issues that had arisen in the past two months should be discussed when legislators meet next week. “The opposition and the parliamentary majority should come together and consider the questions which have arisen: the resignation of the government and those questions linked to laws passed by parliament,” he said in a statement on the president’s website.

Thousands of anti-government protesters had braved freezing overnight temperatures to guard their barricaded tent encampment on Kiev’s main square. But the streets were largely quiet on Thursday after opposition leaders told tens of thousands in the city centre on Wednesday night that they would give Mr Yanukovich 24 hours to respond to their demands for call snap elections.

The EU warnings came as ambassadors in Brussels met in a session diplomats said would include discussion of possible sanctions aimed at government figures responsible for the violence. According to several diplomats, ambassadors are expected to ask Lady Ashton to prepare an “options paper” that would include sanctions. The meeting was expected to go into the early evening.

“The president keeps saying all the right things but then doing all the wrong things,” said a British official.

Although several EU member states have been pushing for a harder line, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, told reporters she believed it was too early for sanctions. “Neither the foreign minister nor I believe that sanctions are the order of the day,” Ms Merkel said at a cabinet meeting at her official retreat in Meseberg.

Lithuania, long one of the most anti-Russian members of the EU, has become one of the most vocal EU members advocating a harder line against Kiev. Linas Linkevicius, its foreign minister, on Wednesday became one of the first to suggest it might be time to impose sanctions. Several other member states, including the UK and Sweden, are actively considering measures.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Ukraine’s prime minister, Mykola Azarov, called the protests “a genuine attempt at a coup d’état”, and said the government would not give in to protesters’ demands for early elections.

The EU can impose a range of sanctions against individuals and businesses, including visa and travel bans and the freezing of assets, but all member states must agree on the measures.

The US has already revoked the visas of several people seen as responsible for violence and a state department spokesperson said additional measures were being considered.
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Look at the remarkable restraint being shown by the Ukrainian police


Now ask yourself what would ZOG's response be to such scenes in DC?
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Old January 24th, 2014 #5
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Look at the remarkable restraint being shown by the Ukrainian police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKviJYIlJ4

Now ask yourself what would ZOG's response be to such scenes in DC?
The imperial capitol is such a police state that it would likely never get that far, but it all depends on who the rioters are, if they´re niggers, faggots, beaners, and twatz, Kwazog has a long history of behaving like a big fat sopping wet pussy when it come to dealing with such types.
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Ukrainain jews blaming Russians for attacks on their synagogues not local Nazis. Anyone still supporting this so called revolution is just so deluded there is no hope for them. This goes for all the hysterical neocon anti Russian shit we are seeing at Stormfront, including their 'I'm sick of judeo obsessives in WN' moderator of SF Russia 'Poison', who is probably a kike.


Who’s Really Behind Ukraine’s Synagogue Attacks?

Surprisingly, Jewish leaders aren’t blaming the local neo-Nazis.


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03.03.14

Ukraine’s tiny Jewish community is once again feeling under siege. But the Jewish leaders are not blaming the local neo-Nazis who participated in the recent revolution there; rather, these leaders believe that pro-Russian provocateurs are behind the attacks on their synagogues.

On Thursday evening, just hours before Russian troops poured into the Ukrainian province of Crimea, vandals spray painted swastikas and “death to Jews” on the only Reform synagogue in Crimea’s capital, Simferopol. Last month, another synagogue in the the Ukrainian city of Zaporizhiya was attacked by a mob who threw Molotov cocktails near the synagogue’s entrance. In January, a Hebrew school teacher named Hillel Wertheimer was beaten after returning from synagogue to his home in Kiev.

Ukraine has never been a very good country for the Jews. The 19th and early 20th centuries were marred by pogroms against Jewish communities. Under Soviet occupation, many Jews that stayed in Ukraine faced the state sponsored anti-Semitism of the Communist system. More recently, a few neo-Nazi groups have openly participated in the popular uprising that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych baring at times swastikas.

Nonetheless, leaders of Ukraine’s small Jewish community (experts estimate there are between 80,000 and 350,000 Jews in Ukraine) say they are more worried about anti-Semitic attacks from Russian operatives and Yanukovych loyalists than the nationalists who gathered in Kiev and other cities to oust him.

“In general, in Ukraine there have not been many of these attacks and less than in Western Europe and Europe as a whole,” Joseph Zissels, the president of the Ukrainian Jewish community known as the Vaad, said in a phone interview from Kiev. Zissels added it’s unclear who has been behind these attacks, but he suspects the recent vandalism against synagogues was provocations from Russian or pro-Russian forces who sought to occupy his country.

Rabbi Jacob Dov Bleich, the president of the Jewish Federation of Ukraine, signed a letter with other Ukrainian religious leaders Monday to the Russian federation urging them to end the aggression against Ukraine.

Speaking of the recent vandalism of the synagogue in Simferopol, Zissels said, “This is a provocation and a way to discredit the authorities in Kiev.”


The Rabbi of the Tamid synagogue in Crimea that was attacked last week agreed. He told the Times of Israel in an interview that he was urging Jews around the world to show solidarity with Ukraine and vocally oppose Russia’s invasion of Crimea. “We are very poor and miserable, but it’s not a question of money, it’s a question of freedom,” said Rabbi Michael Kapustin.

Zissels said he was more worried for the Muslim majority Tartar community in Crimea than he was for the 17,000 Jews who are estimated to live there. “The Jews in Crimea are not choosing any side in this conflict, so I do not think they are threatened,” he said.

The handful of attacks is also drawing attention from global Jewish organizations. “Our concern is that anti-Semitic elements not exploit the unrest to commit acts of violence against individual Jews or Jewish institutions,” said Ronald Lauder, the president of the World Jewish Congress in a statement Monday. “The future of East Central Europe depends on the maintenance of comity among diverse communities. We cannot afford a return of the demons of the past.”

Charles Ascher Small, the director of the Institute for the study of Global Anti-Semitism and Policy, also said he was worried. “Not too far beneath the surface are old hatreds that are not only brought upon the Jewish community in Ukraine but once unleashed they could affect the entire society,” he told The Daily Beast Monday.

Zissels said he was aware that some elements of the Ukrainian Maidan movement that ousted Yanukovych were enthusiasts of the Nazis. But he also said Russian propaganda has exaggerated the role of neo-Nazis in the new Ukrainian government. “There are those kinds of groups, but they are small, not well organized and do not play a major role,” he said. “There are more neo-Nazi groups in Russia than there are in Ukraine.”

The Ukrainian revolution has attracted tourists from all ideological stripes, including other European fascist parties. Members of the main Ukrainian fascist party known as Svoboda have received posts atop the new interim government including the defense, environmental and agricultural ministries. Zissels pointed out that a number of Jews are now governors in the new Ukrainian government. “One of the main candidates for presidents, Vitali Klitschko has Jewish roots. His grandmother is Jewish,” he said.

Zissels also said websites affiliated with Yanukovych supporters had initially tried to blame the popular uprisings in the country that have raged since November on the Jews. “Now of course Yanukovych is not in power, but there is the possibility of his loyalists provoking the Jewish population,” he said.

For now, Zissels said he does not have much faith President Obama will do much to save his native Ukraine. “I don’t believe Obama can do anything that will be useful or effective,” he said. “But if he could do anything I would want him to end the Russian occupation of Ukraine. But I think only Reagan among the American presidents is the one who could do that.”


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Latest infro I have in Serbian is that local Tatar leaders in Crimea have called for NATO intervetion based on the Kosovo model. They claim that they are under threat due to the referendum which will see the vast majority of local population voting to rejoin Russia.
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Tymoshenko urges West to unite against Putin

Monday, March 17, 2014

Ukraine’s former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, has urged Western powers to unite on a hard line against Russian president Vladimir Putin in the Crimea crisis.



“This aggressive striving for power with regard to Ukraine represents not only a danger for the Ukrainian state — other parts of eastern Europe are also in danger,” oy vey it could be a new lolocaust!she told German daily Der Tagesspiegel.

“Should Putin continue his attack on our country after the annexation of Crimea, I would call on the leaders of the democratic world to use the strongest measures to stop this aggressor.”

She said the West should under no circumstances accept the result of yesterday’s referendum in Crimea on breaking away from Ukraine to join Russia. “It is without precedent in recent history and such methods used by Russia in Crimea were no longer considered possible by many in the West.” Kosovo?

Tymoshenko, a leader of the pro-Western Orange Revolution in 2004, has been receiving treatment at Berlin’s Charite university hospital.

The 53-year-old was freed from prison on February 23, having served three years of a seven-year sentence for abuse of power, a charge she denied.

Der Tagesspiegel said she is in constant contact with allies in Kiev and on Thursday received a visit from former Russian oil tycoon and Kremlin critic jew Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

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Ukraine Moves to Disarm Paramilitary Groups

By ANDREW ROTHAPRIL 1, 2014

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine’s Parliament on Tuesday ordered law enforcement agencies to immediately disarm unofficial paramilitary groups, signaling growing resolve in the interim government to confront nationalists and other vigilantes who played a big role in the overthrow of Viktor F. Yanukovych, the country’s pro-Kremlin former president who was deposed more than a month ago.

The bill, introduced and passed unanimously, ordered both the Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine, the country’s successor to the K.G.B., to disarm the groups because of the “aggravation of the crime situation and systematic provocations on the part of foreigners in southeastern Ukraine and in Kiev.”


The attempt to further consolidate control domestically came as Russia delivered yet another blow to the fledgling Ukraine government, which the Kremlin regards as illegal. Gazprom, the Russian state gas giant, announced a 40 percent increase in the price of natural gas sold to Ukraine, which is heavily dependent on Russia for its gas supply.

The passage of the anti-paramilitary bill comes as tensions in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, have grown between nationalist groups who continue to patrol the main squares of the city and Arsen Avakov, the country’s new interior minister.

A member of Right Sector, arguably the largest and best-organized ultranationalist group in Kiev, was accused of opening fire with a pistol on the city’s main square on Monday evening during a dispute with members of other self-defense groups.

After the incident, police officers armed with automatic rifles surrounded the group’s headquarters at a downtown hotel and began negotiations. Just after dawn on Tuesday morning, members of the group, many in military fatigues and balaclavas, boarded buses and left for a “training ground” outside the city, according to local news and video reports.

“What should the minister do?” Mr. Avakov wrote in a post on his Facebook page, which has become a clearinghouse for information on police activity since he took office. “Correctly, I gave the order to blockade the gang and detain those who were guilty.”

In Moscow, Alexei Miller, the head of Gazprom, said Tuesday that Russia would revoke a discount on gas prices granted as part of a financial lifeline granted to Mr. Yanukovych in December, raising the price to $385.50 per thousand cubic meters from $268.50 per thousand cubic meters.

Mr. Miller, in comments to reporters in Moscow, also said that Ukraine owed more than $1.7 billion to Gazprom alone. Prime Minister Dmitry A. Medvedev of Russia said last month that Ukraine’s overall debt to Russia was $16 billion.


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Firefighters v arsonists: US confirms $5bn spent on 'Ukraine democracy'

Published time: April 22, 2014 10:38




People holding illegal arms and occupying government buildings are perfectly OK, as long as they are permitted to do so, believes Washington’s top diplomat in Europe. But doing exactly the same thing without permission is bad.

This piece of infallible logic came from the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, as she refused to equate the situation in Ukrainian capital, Kiev, in February with the present one in eastern Ukraine. In both cases armed militias have seized buildings and refused to leave.

“You can’t compare the situation in Kiev, where now everything that is still being held by protesters is being held with licenses and with the agreement of the government of Ukraine, with the agreement of the Rada, or with regular leases from the owners of the buildings,” Nuland told CNN in an interview.

Of course, when those militias were taking over buildings and building barricades in Kiev and elsewhere in in Ukraine, they didn’t have any license. It was only after they toppled the Ukrainian government that the new authorities moved to legitimize those seizures. The same authorities whose legitimacy is now being questioned by the protesters in the country’s east.

There is another difference between the two armed movements, according to Nuland.

“You can’t compare it to what is happening in eastern Ukraine, where you have armed separatists wearing balaclavas, carrying very heavy munitions, holding government buildings refusing to allow monitors in refusing to allow journalists in,” she claimed.

As if balaclava-wearing radical protesters never pelted the police with firebombs and didn’t shoot at them with guns stolen from police stations in Ukraine. But isn’t this is how the people presumably now in charge came to power?

The Kiev militias are where they are because they could topple the new government just as they did with the previous one. They already besieged the parliament demanded the resignation of the interior minister for the killing one of their leaders, and it took a lot of convincing on the part of the MPs to make them leave.

Of course when the authorities can’t force somebody to follow the law, they can save face by altering that law. Unfortunately for the Ukrainian government, disarming those unruly militias is what they agreed to by signing a joint statement with Russia, the US and the EU in Geneva last week. Pretending that this document applies only to those opposing Kiev simply won’t work.

Naturally, Washington blames Russia for making things worse in Ukraine, and fails to see the impotence of the current government.

“We continue to be concerned that you cannot dress yourself like a firefighter and behave like an arsonist,” Nuland said.

One can wonder what she was dressing herself like as she was treating Maidan activists to cookies and discussing the composition of the government which now sits in Kiev with the US ambassador to Ukraine.

Or how the $5 billion, which the US poured into “building civil society” in Ukraine helped the country overcome its inherent divisions and build a stable nation that can change its government without any street violence.

Alexandre Antonov, RT



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Anti Russian Neocon jews like Mark Levine are allowed on RT to spew the Washington lies while no Russian point of view is allowed on US channels like Fox.

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Ukraine Raising Volunteer Force to Attack Eastern Protesters

Conflicting Details on Plan, Which Seeks Right Sector Fighters


by Jason Ditz, May 06, 2014

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Ukraine’s government has announced the creation of a “volunteer” paramilitary force charged with “quickly restoring law and order” in the protester-held eastern cities around Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

Details of how this volunteer force will work are scant, but what we do know is ominous, with officials openly talking about recruiting the fighters from the Maidan protest that ousted the Yanukovych government, meaning the neo-Nazi Right Sector. anti racist neo-Nazis financed by jewish oligarchs like Kolomoyskyi

The faction’s legal structure is totally unclear, with some nominal control being given to the Defense Ministry, but the group being funded entirely by a “local charity foundation called Patriot.”

The fights for the new group are going to be paid handsomely too, with the reports suggesting they will receive Hr 15,000 (about $1,300) per month, far more than the roughly $200 per month Ukrainian soldiers are paid.

The move suggests a growing desperation in the interim government, as many Ukrainian soldiers are flat out refusing attacks on civilian protesters, while the Right Sector seems to be the only ones really spoiling for a fight against the ethnic Russian protesters.

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They label upcoming Syrian elctions a disgusting farce, while at the same time promoting these sham 'elections' which the illegitimate junta/international mafia are organizing in Ukraine. Assad certainly has much more legitimacy than the Maidanists and their jewish oligarchs


US Starts Spinning Credibility of Upcoming Ukraine Vote

Downplays Lack of Voting in Eastern Ukraine


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On Sunday, most of Ukraine will be able to go to the polls to vote for a new president to replace the “interim” President Oleksandr Turchinov. Only 23 of 34 districts in the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts are expected to open at all, meaning large numbers of voters in the east won’t be going anywhere at all.

The Obama Administration doesn’t need to wait to see the results to know what they think, however, and are already going to bat for the election, defending its credibility despite the election not covering major protester-held cities in the east.

The State Department treated 23 out of 34 as good “despite the difficult environment,” insisting that the vote is nationwide anyhow, and covers more than just that region.

Rather than expressing any misgivings about that, they insisted that the interim government had done everything to allow people to vote, and blamed Russia for any potential inability to vote that takes place in the east.

That’s in keeping with the position Secretary of State John Kerry staked out earlier this month, threatening to sanction Russia in retaliation for any problems with the Ukrainian vote.


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Job in Kiev is done kikes are in firmly in control. Now go home, or better yet, to the front in the east

Boxing champ Klitschko becomes mayor of Kiev, says time for protesters to leave

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KIEV Mon May 26, 2014 12:38pm EDT

(Reuters) - Vitaly Klitschko, a former world heavyweight boxing champion, has claimed victory in an election to become mayor of Kiev, clinching a major role in Ukraine's emerging new political order after Sunday's presidential election.

Klitschko is a close ally of Ukraine's new president, Petro Poroshenko, whom he backed for the top job after quitting the contest himself. Their alliance has been on display in the past 24 hours when Klitschko, who is some two meters (6 feet eight) tall, stood beside Poroshenko at two news conferences.

As mayor, Klitschko takes responsibility for the 'Maidan', central Kiev's Independence Square, nerve-center of the uprising which ousted president Viktor Yanukovich in February after his attempt to move Ukraine closer to Russia and away from Europe.

Backed by Poroshenko, Klitschko said on Monday it was finally time after fair and free presidential and mayoral elections, for hundreds of protesters who have kept up their vigil since Yanukovich fled to Russia to leave the Maidan.

"The main task of the Maidan has been achieved, we were saved from dictatorship. The barricades have fulfilled their function and must now be removed," Klitschko, 42, told a joint news conference with Ukraine's new president.

The square is still covered with tents and barricades, many festooned with posters, flags, banners and photographs of the 100-plus people killed by Yanukovich's forces israeli/american snipers last winter - a powerful symbol of "people power" in the ex-Soviet republic.

"PEACEFUL LIFE"

"We have to free Khreshchatyk (Kiev's main thoroughfare) for traffic and then return to normal peaceful life and this will be a fine example for other regions," said Klitschko.

He was referring to two regions of eastern Ukraine where pro-Russian separatists declared autonomous "people's republics" and prevented the presidential election taking place. On Monday, they were battling with Ukrainian forces in the city of Donetsk.

Poroshenko, reiterating an election campaign theme, said he wanted to remove all armed groups from the streets of Ukrainian cities and towns, in Donetsk, in Kiev and elsewhere.

Klitschko, leader of the Udar party in parliament, was one of the three main leaders of the Maidan protesters, though at times the trio was reduced to acting as messengers between the Yanukovich government and the increasingly radical protesters.

Poroshenko, known as the "chocolate king" because of his confectionary business, also backed the Maidan protests but stayed more in the background.

Klitschko's decision in March to stand aside and back Poroshenko's candidacy greatly smoothed the businessman's bid at a time of growing crisis in Ukraine, helping him to win the presidency in Sunday's first round. Had he failed to win more than 50 percent, Poroshenko would have faced a runoff vote on June 15.

Klitschko, who is famed for his powerful punches and earned the nickname 'Doctor Ironfist' on account of his doctorate in sports science, fielded questions on Monday in Ukrainian, Russian and English, as did Poroshenko.

They both pledged to fight in their new roles for the ideals of the Maidan protesters - transparency and an end to graft in public life and closer economic and political ties with the European Union.

Maidan diehards, who have camped out in all weather and braved snipers' bullets, have mixed views of Poroshenko, noting that as a former minister in Yanukovich's government, he hardly counts as a new face in Ukrainian politics.

"I am sure that in six months or so, people will again appear on the Maidan with placards shouting 'Ukraine without Poroshenko'," one Maidan veteran who gave his name only as Nikolai told Reuters before Sunday's election.

(Editing by Susan Fenton)

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We now also have very chauvinistic Hungarian organization 64 Counties (they are also active in Serbia) proclaiming open support to anti Kiev junta pro Russians, and their future republic of NovoRusija in the east/south. They hope that they will be able to take a chunk of western Ukraine for Hungary.



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Nudelman returns to the scene of the crime to plan further suppression of dissent with local jews who are now ruling Odessa with an iron fist, violently eliminating any potential opposition.

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U.S. Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland during a working visit to Odessa on June 8 discussed the current situation in Ukraine in general and Odessa region in particular.

U.S. Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland during a working visit to Odessa on June 8 met with Odessa Mayor Hennadiy Trukhanov, and heads of Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk regional administrations, Ihor Palytsia and Ihor Kolomoisky

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Eileen Kuch · Top Commenter · Holy Child Academy HS

And, Victoria Nudelman aka Nuland, has the gall to visit Odessa?? She's one of the war criminals responsible for creating the massacre in Odessa; since she's one of the masterminds behind it. The residents there ought to kick her *ss right out of the city; tell her never to come back.

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Who Violated Ukraine’s Sovereignty?

June 28, 2014

Exclusive: The West has accused Russia of violating a 1994 pledge to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty in exchange for its surrender of Soviet-era nuclear weapons. But the West’s political and economic interference might also represent a violation, says ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern.

By Ray McGovern

Did Russia’s annexation of Crimea on March violate the 1994 Budapest agreement among Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the U.S.? Specifically, in Paragraph One, Ukraine agreed to remove all nuclear weapons from its territory in return for a commitment by Russia, Britain and the U.S. “to respect the independence and sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine?”

I’m no lawyer, but I can read the words. And, taken literally, the answer seems to be Yes – despite a host of extenuating circumstances that can be adduced to explain why Crimea rejoined Russia, including the alarm among Crimean leaders over the unconstitutional ouster of Ukraine’s elected president and the Russian government’s fear about the possible berthing of NATO’s nuclear-missile warships at the naval base at Sebastopol.


Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland during a press conference at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, Ukraine, on Feb. 7, 2014. (U.S. State Department photo


But there’s also the item in Paragraph Three in which Russia, the UK, and the U.S. also commit “to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty?”

Might the EU’s take-it-or-leave-it proposal last fall offering Ukraine “associate” status in return for draconian economic austerity imposed on the Ukrainian people come under the rubric of the “economic coercion” prohibited at Budapest. An arguable Yes, it seems to me.

Some will try to dismiss President Viktor Yanukovych’s ill-fated rejection of these International Monetary Fund demands to make the hard lives of average Ukrainians even harder as “history,” now that the EU and Ukraine’s replacement President Petro Poroshenko signed on June 27 that “associate” status agreement – the same agreement that Yanukovich rejected in favor of what appeared to be a better deal from Russia.

Was Yanukovich also under pressure from Moscow to maintain Ukraine’s historic, cultural and economic ties to Russia? Of course. Putin reportedly weighed in heavily with Yanukovich last October and early November when U.S. and EU diplomats were pressuring the Ukrainian president as well.

But did Yanukovich expect to be overthrown if he opted for Moscow’s offer? If he did not, he sorely underestimated what $5 billion in U.S. “democracy promotion” can buy. After Yanukovych’s decision, American neoconservatives – the likes of National Endowment for Democracy President Carl Gershman and Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland – pulled out all the stops to enable Ukraine to fulfill what Nuland called its “European aspirations.”

The central problem confronting Ukraine, however, was not whether it leaned toward Europe or toward Russia. It was that after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, some ruthless businessmen used their insider connections to snap up (or “privatize”) the natural and industrial resources of the country. These handful of “oligarchs” then corrupted the political process, buying off politicians from both pro-EU and pro-Moscow perspectives.

Last fall, Yanukovych, who was elected from a political base in the more industrial Russian-ethnic east, was looking for how to bail Ukraine out of the financial and economic crisis that it was facing amid widespread unemployment and the hangover from the Great Recession.

In a layman’s way of understanding what happened in Ukraine, Yanukovych issued what in the consulting world is called a Request for Proposal (RFP), i.e., a feeler to see who could offer the most promising plan for helping Ukraine escape insolvency. After initially tilting toward the EU proposal (before he learned of its draconian IMF small print), he later shifted to the less onerous offer from Russia.

In the world of contractors and RFPs, there are orderly procedures for firms whose bids are turned down to contest the selection of the eventual winner. But I know of no case where one of the losing firms turned around and violently removed the leadership of the RFP-issuing institution, installed new leadership and got the contract.

Abortive Feb. 21 Agreement

And, in assessing which side – the U.S./EU or Russia – is in the wrong on Ukraine, there was also the agreement, facilitated on Feb. 21 by the foreign ministers of Poland, Germany and France, in which then-President Yanukovich acceded to demands from the opposition by accepting limits on his powers and agreeing to early elections to vote him out of office.

Yanukovych also fatefully agreed to pull back the police, opening the way for right-wing militias, including neo-Nazis, to seize government buildings and force Yanukovych and his government officials to flee for their lives. With these paramilitary forces patrolling government offices, what was left of the Parliament voted to replace Yanukovych and install a new regime, giving four ministries to the far right and the neo-Nazis in recognition of their crucial role.

As the U.S. and the EU hailed the “legitimacy” of this new regime — with Nuland’s hand-picked leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk appointed as the new prime minister – the Western “mainstream media” quickly forgot the Feb. 21 agreement (surprise, surprise!). But Russian President Vladimir Putin had a personal representative there, Russian Human Rights Commissioner Vladimir Lukin.

Yet, because the MSM was already parading Putin (and Yanukovych) around the op-ed pages and talks shows as the black-hatted villains of the Ukraine saga, few Americans got to hear Putin’s perception of what happened, as he explained at a Moscow press conference ten days after Yanukovich was overthrown:

“First of all, my assessment of what happened in Kiev and in Ukraine in general. … This was an unconstitutional takeover, an armed seizure of power. Does anyone question this? Nobody does. … The question is why this was done? …

“President Yanukovich, through the mediation of the foreign ministers of three European countries – Poland, Germany and France – and in the presence of my representative signed an agreement with the opposition on Feb. 21. I would like to stress that under that agreement (I am not saying this was good or bad, just stating the fact) Mr. Yanukovich actually handed over power. He agreed to all the opposition’s demands: he agreed to early parliamentary elections, to early presidential elections, and to return to the 2004 Constitution, as demanded by the opposition.

“He gave a positive response to our request, the request of western countries and, first of all, of the opposition not to use force. … he issued orders to withdraw all police forces from the capital, and they complied. He went to Kharkov to attend an event, and as soon as he left, instead of releasing the occupied administrative buildings, they [the opposition] immediately occupied the President’s residence and the Government building – all that instead of acting on the agreement.

“I ask myself, what was the purpose of all this? … He had in fact given up his power already; and as I believe, as I told him, he had no chance of being re-elected. … What was the purpose of all those illegal, unconstitutional actions, why did they have to create this chaos in the country? Armed and masked militants are still roaming the streets of Kiev. …

“If you want, I can tell you even more. He [Yanukovich] called me on the phone and I told him not to do it. I said, ‘You will have anarchy, you will have chaos in the capital. Think about the people.’ But he did it anyway. And as soon as he did it, his office was seized, and that of the government, and the chaos I had warned him about and which continues to this day, erupted.”

If Putin’s account of how the Feb. 21 agreement was violated the very next day is accurate, and by almost all indications it is, then we have the anatomy of an undisguised putsch – an unconstitutional overthrow of a duly elected president of a sovereign state. The apparent aim, to install a government friendlier to the EU, is relevant but not essential here. The fact of the coup is essential.

Guaranteeing Ukraine’s Sovereignty

Friday’s lead editorial in the neocon flagship Washington Post, “Potemkin drawdown: The West must hold Russia to a real withdrawal from Ukraine,” charged that “the rebellion in the east is manufactured by Russia to undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty. The United States and Britain guaranteed support for that sovereignty in 1994 when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons.”

That claim brought my thoughts back to a conference of distinguished scholars at the U.S.–Russia Forum in the Hart Senate office building on June 16. With Professors Stephen Cohen and Robert Legvold presenting, it was the most sensible discussion of the Ukraine imbroglio that I have witnessed to date.

The point was made that Russia had violated the Budapest agreement in annexing Ukraine. But were the Russians the only culprits? What about the rest of the story? Russia, the UK and the U.S. all pledged “to respect the independence and sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine?” Okay. Gotcha on Putin considering the “existing borders.”

But what about the political destabilization supported by the U.S. government, including the $5 billion that Assistant Secretary of State Nuland publicly announced had been invested in Ukraine’s “European aspirations” – or the scores of projects financed by the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy, training activists, supporting “journalists” and organizing business and political groups.

During the crisis, U.S. officials even showed up in Kiev’s Maidan square to urge on the protesters seeking to overthrow Yanukovych. Sen. John McCain gave a speech on a platform of the right-wing Svoboda party under a banner hailing the late Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera. Nuland went so far as to pass out cookies to the demonstrators and discuss with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine who should be take over after Yanukovych was ousted.

How does this overt and covert interference square with the Budapest pledge “to respect the independence and sovereignty … of Ukraine?” And how do the strong-arm tactics of the EU square with the commitment “to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty?”

Luckily, at the U.S.-Russia Forum, I was able to go first during the Q and A. [To see my question and the answer, click on
and go to the 2:01:00 point near the end.]

I said: “I have a brief question having to do with the Budapest agreement and also in the perspective of Vladimir Putin being more in a reactive mode than anything else. He’s been accused, of course, of violating that agreement because of the Crimea [annexation].

“I’m wondering, if you look at the putsch, if you look at the coup d’etat of Feb. 22nd, supported to the tune of $5 billion by outside forces over the course of several years, of course, could that not also be regarded as a violation of the Budapest memorandum?”

Columbia University Professor Legvold’s answer was, I think, instructive – instinctive, perhaps. His first thought was to associate my point with an argument the Russians have made. For many listeners, that might put me in the category of some kind of apologist for Putin. I know Legvold well enough to doubt this was his intent. But still: Is Putin’s account of the Feb. 21-22 events to be dismissed out of hand simply because it is from Putin?

The main takeaway for me from the forum was the Cohen-Legvold common assertion that we have already entered a New Cold War. Cohen was very direct in exposing the extraordinary abuse regularly accorded to scholars and specialists who try to discern and explain honestly Moscow’s point of view.

Legvold suggested it would be “naïve” not to recognize that the new Cold War is already upon us, that it will be “immensely expensive and immensely dangerous,” and that all of us need to do whatever we can to make it “short and shallow.”

That endeavor of averting the costs and the risks of Cold War II might well start with a truthful narrative of what happened, not the one-sided account that the American people have been seeing and hearing in the U.S. media.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. For 27 years he served as an analyst at the CIA, focusing mostly on Russian foreign policy. He serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

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German woman Margarita Zaidler who converted to Orthodox Christianity and went to East Ukraine to fight with the resistance, she was together with Strelkov at Slavyansk. She also speaks Russian.

Margaret Seidler, "The West is actively implementing provocateurs into the territory of the Russian Federation." first part

Volunteer from Germany described how Europe is becoming a modern Sodom, the methods Psy in the Ukrainian media and on the militias who are fighting for Christ.





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