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Old January 29th, 2008 #1
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This issue was already mentioned on the VNN Forum, but more newbies need to consider it. Notice that the conservative movement has failed. Nothing has been “conserved.” People who call themselves conservatives are more liberal today than they were 30 years ago. The American conservative movement is doomed to failure mostly by its race-blindness (and partly by its blindness to feminism, e.g., “career women”). As the U.S. fills up with non-White voters, the movement will have to shift further leftward in order for conservatives to win elections - i.e., in order for them to win the vital support of non-Whites - a shift which will, in turn, alienate the movement’s main support base of rightwing White men. In other words, the movement has no good options available, except one: recognize the importance of race to culture:
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Old January 29th, 2008 #2
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This issue was already mentioned on the VNN Forum, but more newbies need to consider it. Notice that the conservative movement has failed. Nothing has been “conserved.” People who call themselves conservatives are more liberal today than they were 30 years ago. The American conservative movement is doomed to failure mostly by its race-blindness (and partly by its blindness to feminism, e.g., “career women”). As the U.S. fills up with non-White voters, the movement will have to shift further leftward in order for conservatives to win elections - i.e., in order for them to win the vital support of non-Whites - a shift which will, in turn, alienate the movement’s main support base of rightwing White men. In other words, the movement has no good options available, except one: recognize the importance of race to culture:
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This is news?

The Republikahns have abandoned us and as the Paul campaign has shown there definitely is a shift here; Hell, you can't tell the difference between a conservative and a liberal now.

We need a NEW WAY.
 
Old January 29th, 2008 #3
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I do find it reassuring that people who gleefully adopt the moniker “white racialist” consider me outside their ranks. They are quite right. Anyone who elevates an attachment to ethnic identity over the fundamental truths of morality and the claims of supernatural charity will find no friend in me.
We'll all cry ourselves to sleep over that, Zmirak.
 
Old January 29th, 2008 #4
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Translation: anyone who brings up the fact that jew-directed race-mixing is tantamount to race-war leading to White genocide will find no friend in me, for I'm married to Jeboo, and will have eyes for no other.
 
Old January 29th, 2008 #5
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The paleocons come across as vicious women. They are man enough neither to face facts, nor treat fairly those who do. Their whole thing is morals, yet they argue like the sleazeball jews they fear.

Flemio pretends the White race does not exist. He does this in part because his income will drop if he discusses the jews murdering America and in part from Schadenfreude - Catholics never liked America to start with, and if they know that catholic mexes will ruin our nation, at least wicked Protestant America will go down too.
 
Old January 29th, 2008 #6
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You only have to watch these NeoCon talk shows to see that they don't recognize race. About a year ago Bill O'Reilly had the famous "racist" former Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker on his TV show and Rocker brought his Black girlfriend with him to the studio. He and his negro girl were launching a new campaign to get Hispanic immigrants in America to speak English!! O'Reilly made it clear that he had no problem with John Rocker having a Black girlfriend. O'Reilly was even a little proud of this fact because now the "liberals" couldn't accuse Rocker of being a "racist".

I have a lot of Republicans in my family and I challenged each and every one of them to call Sean Hannity's radio show and tell him that you don't like interracial couples..I DARED THEM, and they remained silent because they know damn well that if you questioned interracial sex on the radio show of Kosher approved Sean Hannity he'd hang up on you immediately.

The whole "Conservative" movement has deteriorated to the simplicities of "loving the military" and "loving the American flag", these are mere symbolic belches that are void of any larger racial/cultural significance.
 
Old January 29th, 2008 #7
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The paleocons come across as vicious women. They are man enough neither to face facts, nor treat fairly those who do. Their whole thing is morals, yet they argue like the sleazeball jews they fear.

Flemio pretends the White race does not exist. He does this in part because his income will drop if he discusses the jews murdering America and in part from Schadenfreude - Catholics never liked America to start with, and if they know that catholic mexes will ruin our nation, at least wicked Protestant America will go down too.
Interesting points, but you've got me confused here.

My impression has been that "Conservatism Without Race as its Core Feature" is an essential aspect of neo-conservatism, but that paleo-conservatives (of whom, for example, the Birchers are a mere derivative) in fact did maintain a racialist perspective. I've always understood that paleo-conservatism was considered to have become extinct with the [engineered] victory of "Ike' over Robert Taft in the run ups to the 1952 elections: Ike being the first of the neocons.

What am I missing here?
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Old January 29th, 2008 #8
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Interesting points, but you've got me confused here.

My impression has been that "Conservatism Without Race as its Core Feature" is an essential aspect of neo-conservatism, but that paleo-conservatives (of whom, for example, the Birchers are a mere derivative) in fact did maintain a racialist perspective. I've always understood that paleo-conservatism was considered to have become extinct with the [engineered] victory of "Ike' over Robert Taft in the run ups to the 1952 elections: Ike being the first of the neocons.

What am I missing here?
We're discussing different eras. Ours concerns 1980-present. The jews came into the right as neocons. It was in part bribery, in part hostile takeover. The upshot was that kikes now define the right as in the old days they defined the left. Those rightists who generally do not support the neos' agenda call themselves paleocons. They tend to be Catholics who either ignore or don't emphasize race, although they might criticize Israel. Some go a little farther, like the late fat Sam Francis. But none of them will defend Whites as Whites.

This is a very simple view. You can certainly find kike influence and even domination before the ~1983 neo/paleo fallout over Reagan appointing Bradford. William F. Buckley, for example, "cleaned up" conservatism by getting rid of anti-semites and racists, thereby making the party digestible for jewish controllers. Jared Taylor has said in so many words that he wants to be the WFB of white racialism, so be warned.
 
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We're discussing different eras. Ours concerns 1980-present. The jews came into the right as neocons.
Ah, yes.

So there's no disconnect between the notion of paleo extinction in the '50s and the re-emergence of a "neo-paleo" [sorry] in the '80s.

Good juxtaposition of WFB then and Taylor now, both performing about the same functions. (Buckley, of course, being in the main the heir to Robert Welch and his apparent treachery reported by RPO.)

In all honesty I have paid precious little attention to the differences between contemporary neocons and erstwhile paleocons. Neither have anything to offer WN.
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Why do we have so many labels and categories? Some Jews try to pass themselves off as conservatives in the media, but no one talks about conservative Jews, or liberal Jews, or Democratic Jews or Republican Jews and certainly not Israelis or Israeli Americans. Jews don't carry any labels at all. The same thing goes for Blacks except they are NOT to be called Negroes although they are the Negroid Race. Rather they are African Americans or, as they like to call themselves, "people of color. Cubans are labeled conservative because of their opposition to the communist regime in Cuba and as a rule do not vote for liberal candidates.

The worse label the white people can have is racist or white supremacist. We are not respectable unless we settle for a label like conservative or liberal.

Why are we going along with all these labels and categories and definitions?
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Old January 30th, 2008 #11
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So there's no disconnect between the notion of paleo extinction in the '50s and the re-emergence of a "neo-paleo" [sorry] in the '80s.
I can't remember a time when Republicans were not supportive of federal civil rights reform. They explicitly ran on a civil rights platform under Wilkie and Dewey. Conservatives have written several books bragging about this. Here's a
recent one recent one
. The Democratic Party didn't embrace "civil rights" until 1948.

Republicans supported federal anti-lynching legislation throughout the 1920s and 1930s. The "Party of Lincoln" that the paleocons eulogize was widely perceived as the party of racial liberalism from John C. Frémont to Richard Nixon. My great-grandparents thought the Old Right sucked.
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Old January 30th, 2008 #12
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The Paleoconservative, Libertarian, oh hell, let’s just called them "assholes". Are in denial of the deliberate breakdown of the social order of conscience. Even up to 1970s, society were racially conscience.
Western White nations at the time would have dismissed "racism", a Jewjitzu to subjugate the indigenous.
 
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How about Conservatism Without Conservatism as its Core Feature?

That's what we got now and it looks like their is more to come with McInsane.
 
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I can't remember a time when Republicans were not supportive of federal civil rights reform. They explicitly ran on a civil rights platform under Wilkie and Dewey. Conservatives have written several books bragging about this. Here's a recent one. The Democratic Party didn't embrace "civil rights" until 1948.

Republicans supported federal anti-lynching legislation throughout the 1920s and 1930s. The "Party of Lincoln" that the paleocons eulogize was widely perceived as the party of racial liberalism from John C. Frémont to Richard Nixon. My great-grandparents thought the Old Right sucked.
It's probably less simple than it seems.

Although before my personal recollections, there seems to have been an attempt at a significant re-orientation of both American political parties that turned on the events of the Roosevelt presidency. True, the Democrats were late comers to the civil rights movement and the Republicans had championed "civil rights" in the the first half of the 20th century.

As it became more generally apparent that the Rooseveltian cabal was rapidly moving toward "socialism" and the general acquisition of Bolshevist ideology, the Republicans attempted to capitalize on the increasing public unease and malaise by professing an erstwhile "conservatism." The result was a near perfect transposition of the storefront ideologies of the two parties.

As the jews expanded their influence and control of the Democratic party they increasingly embraced "civil rights" under the umbrella of egalitarianism. Playing (apparently) catch-up-ball, the Republicans tried to assume the mantle of "conservatism" which was then dressed up as support for "States rights," "freedom of association," etc. Of course this was indeed a straw man, and I guess the real question is whether "Ike" represented a crypto Democrat dressed out as a Republican (my view) or was a more nearly "true" Republican - a sorry speciman indeed - and a "reversion to type" of the tried and true Republican ideology.

My post quoted above refers to the earlier paleocons - Taft, Oliver, the pre-sellout Birchers, for example - as entirely distinct from those who would assume the title today. The ones today (Zmirak's absurd column posted here, for instance:http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=65299) are hardly distinguishable from the Limbaughs and O'Reillys. They may be Catholics, but they have learned all too well at the feet of the Talmudists. They bear no resemblance to those few forgotten souls who tried to steer Amerikwa away from the abyss it careened toward after the successes of the "greatest generation."
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None o this is any surprise, Rockwell explained the lies of kosher-conservatives, Pierce explained why they can't win, or even fight actually.
At least this twat admits he and his "cons" are the enemy.
The term Paleo only means they have been tools for the jew longer than teh Neos, but for all the silly names and fake labels they promote for each other,nothing they do matters anyway, its all a Con as their name implies.
These are the same twats that rushed across teh ocean to KILL White people at their jew-masters command , ever so eager to show how obedient they are in return for being allowed to play some jew approved identity politics and delusions of noble identity or cause, only allowed to exist because the jew let them. The false perceptions prosperity that they built their lives and values around are just rewards the jew masters threw these wiling slaves to justify treason and obedience.
There is nothing religious about these cunts either, they may try and hide behind some greater moral standards than "mere" racists, but what do they base that on? All they really worship is teh jew; they obviously do not care about WHite people, or White children since they admit they are NOT racially concerned, and if there is anything involving Racial identity, only as a mere coincidence balanced with their higher standards of what? The individual. They think themselves clever but all they are is delusional.
Any truly Religious racialist can throwl them a line like, God made WHite babies, we love WHite babies, we make more White babies, anything that changes the Race of the babies is clearly against the Creator and the Natural world. Palecons have nothing.
Some paleo made a lame lie that racialists are "materialists'. Thats projecting Pale-values onto those who are above the cons. What is "materialists" about Loving for and protecting-the great gift God gave the White Race? Paleos are the ones who would sacrifice anything WHTE to maintain their jew-approved material comforts and play-time politics.
They paleos will NEVER say JEW because then their money goes bye-bye and the Paleos place that far above any White child in tis world, well, maybe not their own, but they would readily admit their kids are not "just" WHite but something completely adaptable to the jewish-world they want to conserve which is al they serve, no matter how they lie about it.
Paleos are like dinosaurs, a dead issue.
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