Are we any better than the Christians?

[Gerald Wheeler]

Can someone explain to me why I or any other White man, woman or child needs a religion, especially an organized one, in order to conduct their life in a productive and honest manner?

The origins of the universe and man are riddles that will never be solved, so why can't people accept the fact that we are here for what ever cause or reason and get on with being what we term as "decent" folk? I will concede that the phenomena of life itself, in its many forms, is certainly beyond my grasp, and I contend that it is beyond the comprehension of any religious person.

Frankly, I could care less whether I am better than any Christian or whatever.
I just try to be better than myself.

[banjo_billy]

Originally Posted by brutus

Are we any better than the Christians?

Many will criticize the Christians for being too passive in this war against the jew. And much of this criticism is well founded. The judeo-Christian is taught to turn the other cheek and to love their enemy. We recognize this as masochisticly suicidal.

The biggest problem with Christianity is that the Jews recognized it for the danger to their monopoly of both gold and god, and they took pains to change its impact at the earlist possible moment. The Pharisee Jew, Saul of Tarsus, a.k.a. Saint Paul, was a fast-talking con-artist of a Pharisee. He warped Christianity very early. Debating and out-talking St. Peter, who was a simple fisherman, at an early time he claimed to be one of "Christ's Disciples" which was an obvious lie which Christians accept because he was so "inspired". He did his teaching only in places where he couldn't be rebuked by real Christians. Saul the Pharisee Jew, who had tortured and murdered countless Christians, became, through his pushy Jewishness, a leader of the early Church. He established the false doctrine that Jesus was God incarnate, thus, setting up the schizms that led to Christian wars as well as to Mohammad and Islam getting their start.

The problem is not the Christians, the problem is that the Christians believe the lies of the Jews and so are deceived.

So, for WN to be effective in the battle, we must be able to show the Christians where they have been mislead. This one graphic is all that you need. If a Christian does not believe what Jesus said about the Jews, then he is not a Christian, simple as that. The Christians must be taught the error of their ways.

Originally Posted by brutus

I'd like to know what makes us more of a formidable adversery of the jew than the Christian? What have we, as White Nationalists, done to slow the onslaught of jew's agenda?

We are more dangerous to the Jews than are the Christians because we oppose the Jew on the material plane of existence, the very level that the Jews cling to so desperately. We can oppose the Jews on this level while still maintaining a higher spiritual level of attainment than the Jews, and this just scares the shit right out of them.

With the Christians, the Jews aren't so worried because of all of the false teachings that the Jews have been able to sneak into the Christian Doctrine over the centuries, false teachings that destroy the Christians while empowering the Jews. Plus Christians are content to pray for heaven and leave the World to the Jews. That suits the Jews just fine since everything on Earth is what they want anyway. So, if the Christians all die and leave the world to the Jews, that couldn't be a better deal for the Jews. So, they are willing to help the Christians self-destruct whenever they can.

However, WN doesn't brook no BS from the Jews. The banking and money swindles, the destruction of race and family, the destruction of national borders and morality, etc., are all on the table to be settled with the Jews. The Jews won't get away with their evil deeds whether the Christians wake up to help or not.

Originally Posted by brutus

When we suggest to our comrads that White Nationalists "keep it legal"......What's the difference between that admonishment and the Christian belief in "turning the other cheek"? So what if we openly proclaim our hatred for what the jew/nigger is doing to us and the Christian doesn't outwardly express his hatred..

"Keeping it legal" is part of the psycho-politics of the Jews. It is a method of reducing danger to themselves. They, the most illegal and immoral entity to ever have existed on this earth, promotes the concept of "keep it legal and don't say or think of doing anything bad to the holy and innocent Jews."

The Jews have always used terrorism to promote their agendas. Ever since Jacob's sons exterminated the town of Shechem and fucked all the little girls, the Jews have gloried in creating "fear of the Jew" as a national strategy.

Using such vile methods such as persecuting 99-year-old ex-Nazis, building fake legal cases against WN leaders so as to frighten their followers into silence, sueing in the courts in order to frighten people into submission, are just a few of their tricks. They don't have the power to defeat us, so they put on a show and pretend that they do. The only bad result is if we believe the lying Jews or not.

Originally Posted by brutus

Both Christianity and White Nationalism seem to have the same end result. And that is an ineffective strategy against the jew.

I have already listed a few reasons why the Christians are ineffective against the Jews. It's mainly because they have been deceived from the earliest days. Believing the lying devil Jews, rather than believing Jesus, the founder of Christianity, is why Christians fail to defeat the devil and are defeated by him.

White Nationalism fails quite simply because white nationalists think that using legal means against criminals, is the best way to act. When the criminals control the courts and write the laws, and control the media that slanders you before you even reach the court house, then you know that you have a problem that can't be solved with "legal" means.

The Jews do not use legal means. They cheat, lie, slander, libel, poison, assassinate, murder, kidnap, beat, arson, seduce, blackmail, debauch, rape, molest, burglarize, steal, hack your computers and websites, ruin your credit, and impoverish anybody and everybody who gets in their way. And after the evil deed, they push their palms together, raise their hypocritical eyes to heaven and praise their god for making Jews who can serve Him best by killiing off all the goyim. Even the laws that they write to control social development are illegal laws, all designed to give the Jews power while destroying the Constitution and the Magna Carta and throwing down God and morality.

The Jews are devils. To think that there is a "legal" way to deal with these arch fiends and inveterate criminals, is just plain stupid. How "legal" can you be when the laws are written by Jews, the lawyers are Jews, the judges are Jews, and the people whom we entrust to run the government are all working for the Jews?

To defend the People and the Country requires that the blood of the Jews flow like water into the gutter. How you accomplish that feat, is your own business. I don't want to hear about it except as headlines in the newspapers.

White wolf howls at white moon,
Ice cracks beneath black pines.
Silence of a snow puff.

[OTPTT]

Paul wrote the following:

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Titus 1:14

[aherne]

Both Christianity and White Nationalism seem to have the same end result. And that is an ineffective strategy against the jew.

Care to discuss this?
Not much to discuss: we are too cowardly to live up our words!

[Cthulhu]

Alex is strident. Listen, Herr Hitler was right, in that, with a jewish victory, the Earth would just become a mud planet circumambulating the Sun.

"For whom do you shine, O Sun, if not for me."

Before the opening of the first Aryan eye, there was no world. What is Christianity without the Aryan? We give value to all things.

The only piece in this game, or so I keep on telling Wakena, is the Aryan. ALL THINGS, revolve around us, including the jew. Without us is nothing but void, and maybe hunting for grubs under rocks.

Don't underestimate your value. We are not only, the building, it's foundations, but also the very rock under which it is built. Without the Aryan there is nothing.

We are all there is, or will ever be.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by 2eyedJack

Can someone explain to me why I or any other White man, woman or child needs a religion, especially an organized one, in order to conduct their life in a productive and honest manner?

He doesn't.

Take a great cathedral, like Chartres. Does it testify to the faith of the men who built it?

No, it does not.

It testifies to the doubt.

The origins of the universe and man are riddles that will never be solved

We know more about the world today than was ever known before. Who knows where our knowledge will end?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Alex is strident. Listen, Herr Hitler was right, in that, with a jewish victory, the Earth would just become a mud planet circumambulating the Sun.

"For whom do you shine, O Sun, if not for me."

Before the opening of the first Aryan eye, there was no world. What is Christianity without the Aryan? We give value to all things.

The only piece in this game, or so I keep on telling Wakena, is the Aryan. ALL THINGS, revolve around us, including the jew. Without us is nothing but void, and maybe hunting for grubs under rocks.

Don't underestimate your value. We are not only, the building, it's foundations, but also the very rock under which it is built. Without the Aryan there is nothing.

We are all there is, or will ever be.

I agree, but it's too grandiose. Plenty of 'Aryan' are out and out pieces of shit, though they share our blood.

Why can't we settle for the modest observation that we do life better than the other races, and we prefer to live among our own?

[Cthulhu]

Ah, because it isn't true?

A beetle does what it does, but when it crawls along the kitchen counter it gets laid to waste. It has it's place. What difference a beetle, a nigger or a chink?

If an "Aryan" is a piece of shit, it is a piece of furniture.

EDIT: We need people to take out the garbage.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Ah, because is isn't true?

A beetle does what it does, but when it crawls along the kitchen counter it gets laid to waste. It has it's place. What difference a beetle, a nigger or a chink?

If an "Aryan" is a piece of shit, it is a piece of furniture.

You like that vein Hitler went into, I don't. I think it was lingering Christian mist clouding his brain, preventing him from dealing with the jews as their behavior over 2,000 years showed they deserved.

There are plenty of pureblooded Aryans who are useless, worthless pieces of shit.

[Cthulhu]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

You like that vein Hitler went into, I don't. I think it was lingering Christian mist clouding his brain, preventing him from dealing with the jews as their behavior over 2,000 years showed they deserved.

There are plenty of pureblooded Aryans who are useless, worthless pieces of shit.

You are ignoring my point. Why? I don't know. I imagine soon you will be pouring words into paeans for multiculturalism. Hitler wasn't as radical as me. Your Christian mist ascribes some sort of right to live for the alien beast because our garbage collecters could be chigger. But you see, an Aryan garbage collector could produce a Homo Sapien, where as Neanderthal is forever.

[Cthulhu]

Let me clarify. Let me make this perfectly clear. We, white people, are the only game in town. Every thing is dependent on us. We are the center of all things, for ourselves, for non-whites. We are the question. If we don't supply the answer, the void will. There is nothing but us. And after us there is nothing.

EDIT: Alex may be looking for some angle he can media manipulate. But store my words in your heart for they are true. Amongst all others play the game required, but I have not lied to you: We are all there is.

[psychologicalshock]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

If the Christians stood for something, they wouldn't have allowed Bolsheviks to take over in the first place. It was their inability to recognize jews as enemies, as a result of their jewish doctrine - christianity, the grandmother of bolshevism, that allowed the commies to take power in Russia for the very first time anywhere. Only nationalism can prevent jew-takeover, just as only nationalist, not religious appeals, saved Russia from losing to the German nationalists. Christianity is just sap for pinheads.

Very astute observation, you are quite learned in history few Westerners seem to know that war time propaganda was completely nationalistic. No one would have fought harder for Marx or the Cross, just as no one did in the Crusades, in that case they did it out of rage against the non-White Middle-Eastern filth.

[Cthulhu]

Wrong. But I don't care, until I get a confirmation:

We are all there is.

Edit: Belligerent comes from the Latin "Bellum Gerere". I like that, "gerere." It is like Banana only better.

[Cthulhu]

I'm the drunk guy in the middle of the road. You have to confirm or confront me. I'm absolute in my truth. White is all there is. Will you deny me? Confute me? Or wait until I fall into a drunken stupor? God, I miss Yankee Jim. Anyone else?

He would have agreed with me. We is all there is. From my genitals to the future, I know the pulse of the planet from my offspring. So mote it be, or whatever the "white" phrase is of the present. Without the white there is nought. I dare any to say otherwise. For it is true. Eternity works within you. Does that humble you? Is it a burden you would throw off? What is existence without the white? Nothing. Fuck you, beyond the pale, if you do not see. See? The sun.

When did we become couched? When did we become the other? Force fed our own feces? We the creators forced to swallow the abominations and abortions of ours, nursed by the alien. I am, by god, and fuck thee who would betray me though of my blood.

Have I lied?

[Angela Kyle]

Originally Posted by brutus

Are we any better than the Christians?

Many will criticize the Christians for being too passive in this war against the jew. And much of this criticism is well founded. The judeo-Christian is taught to turn the other cheek and to love their enemy. We recognize this as masochisticly suicidal.

I'd like to know what makes us more of a formidable adversery of the jew than the Christian? What have we, as White Nationalists, done to slow the onslaught of jew's agenda? When we suggest to our comrads that White Nationalists "keep it legal"......What's the difference between that admonishment and the Christian belief in "turning the other cheek"? So what if we openly proclaim our hatred for what the jew/nigger is doing to us and the Christian doesn't outwardly express his hatred.

Both Christianity and White Nationalism seem to have the same end result. And that is an ineffective strategy against the jew.

Care to discuss this?

.

Why should we compare ourselves with Christians? What are they doing to fight the jews?

As White Nationalists we have not been able to stop the onslaught of the jewish agenda, but that doesn't mean we should give up in any way. I was very impressed with the post on "German Patriots Turn Selves In For 'Holocaust Doubting' " Why not take a leaf from their page and cut the jews off at their knees?

I think if we brainstorm on this effective strategy, it will reveal many ideas and fresh approaches to the jewish problem.

[Cthulhu]

The London sewers, the Brooklyn bridge, come on people (maybe the last people on the face of the Earth), what is there but white? It is an internal struggle, nothing more. We are all there is.

Anyone doubt me?

That should inform every action. The only problem is the white problem. The only answer is the white answer. Apart from us, there is no other.

[Dies Irae]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

WN who think the rationalizations, excuses, and sophistry of the charlatans are acceptable or should be overlooked work against the cause they claim to support. What would Hitler say about these men? What would Goebbels, the redeemer of Red Berlin, say about a man who praises another man because he "can't" name and fight the jew?

Interesting questions. And indeed, it's always back to something to do with Hitler, Goebbels, etc.

[Dies Irae]

You know, honestly, if you people still don't get it -- if you're still not going to acknowledge the fundamentals of human behavior, we're done, so why even bother with VNN or anything similar? The whole damn thing really solves itself when you think about it.

[Lars Redoubt]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Take a great cathedral, like Chartres. Does it testify to the faith of the men who built it?

No, it does not.

It testifies to the doubt.

Very well put. The next entry in my Quotation Book.

[Kievsky]

I'm one of those people Alex is describing that thinks Jared Taylor is a gateway to White nationalism. Also, I still have something to lose, and I don't advocate violence. If that makes me a coward so be it. I'll just throw in my .02 cents.

Here in my neck of the woods, the Whites have not yet had their "teachable moment." When I talk to middle class Whites in this area, I look for any sign that they think there is something terribly wrong. I stick with middle class Whites because the tattoo crowd will agree with you all day, but never do anything productive about it.

So I look for middle class Whites to have a sense of something wrong, some discontent, some alarm, some malaise. It need not be about race and jews, just a general sense of malaise or alarm. But it needs to be a general sense of alarm that is high enough that they are ready to change their lifestyle, even a little bit. For me to convince them of anything, they need that "negative charge" in them, that is ready to react with a new idea. To use an analogy from the periodic table in chemistry, they need to be more like a reactive metal like magnesium, and less like a noble gas like argon.

If they are perfectly contented, and they still are, there's nothing to do with them. I have nothing to offer that they want. They got the Red Sox, the Celts, and the Pats. They are Cargo Culters who believe in the great god of supply to keep them happy. Why fix what's not broke? That's their attitude, and I can understand why they believe as they do. There's no point to get mad about it.

However, there is the subset of society involved in politics -- the academics, the students, the social workers. They are not indifferent. They believe in both the great god of supply, and in the holy gospel of multiculturalism. Like church workers since time immemorial, they get to make a living maintaining and defending the Faith, rather than doing real productive work. They have been willing participants in the Psychological Warfare against White people. They tell us we're a minority before we really are. They tell us we don't have power even though we could still have power if we exercised it. They want to talk us out of power. They want to talk us into failing, into surrendering.

I think the thing for the WN movement to do at this point, besides preparing and building local tribes, is to wage covert Psychological Warfare right back against the multiculters. The way to do this is force them to think about finite resources versus an infinitely proliferating welfare population. Get them contemplating the day when they no longer get paid to be professional multiculters. What then? There's an enemy website that calls itself "imagine2050" in other words, when Whites are a minority. They want us to imagine being out of power. I want them to imagine when the Federal Government is broke and they are no longer getting paid to be professional multiculters. That's coming a LOT sooner than 2050.

This Psychological Warfare strategy will dampen the spirits of the enemy, and enliven the spirits of our allies. I want to propagate this meme through the WN blogosphere, including Amren and VDARE. Right now, it's all about taking down the Multicult Religion, which requires constant infusions of surplus wealth or it dies immediately. It cannot stand on its own two feet. Make the enemy lose faith in it's Cult, talk them to death. It works! Why do you think they always ban us and delete our comments? Our words are too powerful, they cut too deeply.

So whatever you want to accuse me of, cowardice or whatever, you can't accuse me of not thinking this through.