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Old May 30th, 2004 #81
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-- He's taken with the idea that our cause can sweep over the Aryan world in a very brief time, using the example of Islam and the Arabs in the 7th century, which covered their world in a generation.
I find this idea quite intriguing. What are some methods we could employ that would increase this possibility?

Islam was partially driven by religious and mythical furor; by contrast, most WNs today rely on barebones science and stark reality. Do we need to add an element of mythos to our approach, or would we be better off without it?
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I find this idea quite intriguing. What are some methods we could employ that would increase this possibility?

Islam was partially driven by religious and mythical furor; by contrast, most WNs today rely on barebones science and stark reality. Do we need to add an element of mythos to our approach, or would we be better off without it?
Not exactly a new religion, but a new creed for Aryan man. We're poised between the stars and utter disaster. Will the jews destroy us? Or will we move on to a White bright future with men with 10,000 IQs?

The is a bit hazy to me too, but presumably he'll flesh it out in his coming book. "Idea whose time has come," is my sense. Simply can't be held back.
 
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Alex, I’m glad to see that you are being gracious about the Duke Conference snub. It speaks volumes to your character. I also get the impression that you are aware that David and Don’s direction is wrongheaded and that they will ultimately fail. But nevertheless we must support them. Because, you understand, just as a boxer uses body-blows to soften-up his adversary (but never knocks him out) it is ultimately that crushing left hook to the head that finishes the job. Different tools working on the same job and both is necessary for completion. Duke will administer the body blows, but you are the one destined to unleash the left hook to the jew’s head.

An early alliance with Louis F. is advisable now, as he would be open to discuss the issues with someone who is on the same page . This alliance would be beneficial on a number of levels and lessen the bloodshed that will come. You are the man, who’s time has come. The brass ring is before you. Do your fellow WNs the proper service and standup and do what needs to be done. You have the tools and the talent and this is your destiny.
 
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I'll say again that I hope Duke can build something bigger than the KKK ever was but I'm not too sanguine about the chances. Many here will argue with that. Some seem to be waiting for a flawless White messiah and will settle for nothing less.

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I loved it and love it, but Duke is the future. Names like "White Revolution", racial slurs, anger, violence, ranting, and Nazi Germany fetishes, they are poision. They're poison to the people who participate, and they're poison to the success of the White race. VNN must evolve, and this forum is proof that it is evolving, but it's not even close to the level of class possessed by Duke. I'm not saying he's an angel, but you've got to respect him. For now, best to keep these two worlds seperate. Let him do his thing without being hindered by the presence of people who shroud themselves in bad, unappealing connotations.
 
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I loved it and love it, but Duke is the future. Names like "White Revolution", racial slurs, anger, violence, ranting, and Nazi Germany fetishes, they are poision. They're poison to the people who participate, and they're poison to the success of the White race. VNN must evolve, and this forum is proof that it is evolving, but it's not even close to the level of class possessed by Duke. I'm not saying he's an angel, but you've got to respect him. For now, best to keep these two worlds seperate. Let him do his thing without being hindered by the presence of people who shroud themselves in bad, unappealing connotations.


Look. Carefully. Is ONE person under 45? That is not the future. A few of those people will be dead by the time I finish writing this and hit "submit reply". These people are ancient!

An enterprising man would have set up an adult diaper booth/Canadian drug shipmet company outside of that hall. Probably make a killing.

Wrinkles, bald spots, and grey hair is not the future. If Duke wants old folks to support him, great. They are notorious for being easily parted from their money. Its called televangelism.

Some would say the old folks could provide money, I suppose this is true.

However, some say they can provide insight, leadership, or experience. This is...to be civil, pure poppycock!

Last I checked it was their generation who really f****d over mine. Integration happened on their watch. So did the final strangleholds of jewish power in government, religion, and media.

While some I can easily imagine sipping tea and chatting happily with those old biddies, such as that creepy f****t CAL, I'd much rather throw my chips in with the NOI.

The hell with "the greatest generation", a tarnished crown worn askew and given by the jews. They sold us out so many times, they will do it again.

Let Duke pull an Oral Roberts on those geezers. More power to him.

However, don't call the geriatric ward in the photo "the future".

Oh, and here's an aftherthought, be thankful you weren't allowed to attend Chain n' Linder. The stench of mothballs and impending death would have been annoying, and I cannot fathom either of you being able to tolerate that Birch-esque drivel for long.
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An alliance with calypso Louie would alienate more than half of WN's! In addition, most niggers see jews as White and would probably view and alliance with WN's as just another "whitey trick". The NOI are stupid but they're not dumb. Farrakhan knows that WN's hate blacks with nearly the same zeal they hate jews and would see through the obvious intention of WN's to secure an advantage.

In fact the whole idea reeks of jew! Who but a jew would form a alliance with people he despises only to gain short term advantage over one he despises more?

Dumb idea!
No Brother, I am not a jew.

But, maybe instead of using the word "alliance", we could say "have an understanding"......with regards to NOI.

Of course the negro is our adversary.........but Whites have been pitted against the negro by the hand of the jew. The jew is ultimately responsible for the enmity between the negro and the White. The negro acts like a negro because he is a negro.........and negroes belong in africa, not in America where we try to force them to act White. Farrakhan understands this....he seems to be the only negro leader to do so.

Negroes could never be persuaded by White men to leave America and go to africa...........we would have to exterminate at least 50% of them before they would ever leave at our behest.

But, a negro leader like Farrakhan could persuade masses of negroes to leave on their own accord and possibly save millions of negro and White lives in the race war to come.

We need not be friends with the negro..........we only need an understanding that we are fighting a common enemy and work toward that end. Any notions of so-called "obvious intentions of WN's to secure an advantage" could be laid "outright" upon the negotiation table as a possible concern for either party. I think that Alex is well qualified and an astute enough operator to see the strategic necessities of leveraging group positions to our advantage............and that's why I suggested it to him and not you.

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Old May 31st, 2004 #87
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I also get the impression that you are aware that David and Don’s direction is wrongheaded and that they will ultimately fail.
Don't know if I am allowed to post here, but I disagree.

Though I'm not familiar with the nuances, I can say the much more seemingly "moderate" political ways of SF/BNP/DD will be much more convincing to the average white.

A few classes in my college (and a few research papers) basically awakened me to have somewhat similar views with WN's, which is when I started reading more on SF.

But I can probably say if I had went to VNN instead right off the bat (where pictures of lynched negroes are commonplace), it would have definately changed my opinion of WNism.
 
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Not exactly a new religion, but a new creed for Aryan man. We're poised between the stars and utter disaster. Will the jews destroy us? Or will we move on to a White bright future with men with 10,000 IQs?

The is a bit hazy to me too, but presumably he'll flesh it out in his coming book. "Idea whose time has come," is my sense. Simply can't be held back.
Well, we've got the necessary creed in the form of the 88 Precepts, or Nature's Eternal Laws if you prefer; science-based religion.

The mythos aspect I was suggesting was some sort of element to instill a driving religious fervor. The star talk sort of serves, I suppose; "The Stars are Ours!", etc. But a religion also needs its religious figures, its gods if you will. Many of us already apotheosize Adolf Hitler; others have great reverence for David Lane, who set as the 40th Precept "A race must honor above all earthly things, those who have given their lives or freedom for the preservation of the folk."

Frank Herbert's Dune series examined the nature of religious fervor in a sci-fi setting. The common folk made God figures out of Paul Atreides and Leto Atreides II, although these two individuals were bound to the dictates of natural law (obscured somewhat by the seemingly unrealistic sci-fi elements, including prescience and Leto's longevity).

It seems almost impossible to ascribe extreme religious connotations upon a real historical figure without distorting the truth to some degree. That's what I'm pondering; should we take especial care to be bound by the absolute truth of our heroes, or would it be beneficial at all to allow a mythology to build up around certain of them?

Take care as you reply to this. Adolf Hitler exists everywhere and sees everything; if you post falsely He will smite you...
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Don't know if I am allowed to post here, but I disagree.

Though I'm not familiar with the nuances, I can say the much more seemingly "moderate" political ways of SF/BNP/DD will be much more convincing to the average white.

A few classes in my college (and a few research papers) basically awakened me to have somewhat similar views with WN's, which is when I started reading more on SF.

But I can probably say if I had went to VNN instead right off the bat (where pictures of lynched negroes are commonplace), it would have definately changed my opinion of WNism.
Well, there's questions of 'How much should we soften our cause in order to make it attractive to the lily-livers to buy'?; and then there's questions of 'What will it take for our cause to succeed?'

Image may be useful, but it is not the ulimate tool. If you make it your ultimate goal and devote all your strength and resources towards sharpening that one tool, the other tools in your bag may become brittle and shatter. Would you spend all your money on a new pair of windshield wipers for a clear forward view, only to be left with no gas money?
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Small steps right?


I'm not "white", yet I would probably vote for a BNP candidate if I were British.

Cultural genocide is not something that appeals to me, regardless of the culture. Islam (and the arabs pouring into Europe) are using their demographic warfare to ease their cultural genocide of western society.

The mexicans are at least westernized, but like negroes, they have the tendency of committing violent crimes and decreasing property values.

Europe is for whites. Japan is for the Japanese, Arabia is for arabs. People should stay in their land of origin. In the potential chaos in the American continent, maybe I can usurp Hawaii for "my people". Heh.
 
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Small steps right?

I'm not "white",
What the heck are you, and what are you doing here?
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In the potential chaos in the American continent, maybe I can usurp Hawaii for "my people". Heh.
Are you a Hawaiian native?
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Small steps right?


I'm not "white", yet I would probably vote for a BNP candidate if I were British.

Cultural genocide is not something that appeals to me, regardless of the culture. Islam (and the arabs pouring into Europe) are using their demographic warfare to ease their cultural genocide of western society.

The mexicans are at least westernized, but like negroes, they have the tendency of committing violent crimes and decreasing property values.

Europe is for whites. Japan is for the Japanese, Arabia is for arabs. People should stay in their land of origin. In the potential chaos in the American continent, maybe I can usurp Hawaii for "my people". Heh.
Thanks for the support. I support the nationalism of other groups as well, usually.
 
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Also discourage insulting jokes and unsubstantiated personal attacks directed against David and Don Black, as well.
The trouble with that idea is that it inhibits the degree of free speech allowed here. The only type of posting discouraged is 1) advocation of anything illegal and 2) pornographic images that show any more than the tops off of women. Foul language, idle chit-chat, and personal opinions - including strongly negative opinions of any person - are all protected free speech in these parts.
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According to the more traditional Hawaiians they were far better off and happier before the xtian insanity brought them misery and more recently judeo-capitalism destroyed their islands and wildlife irreversibly.
I absolutely agree. But I was just using Hawaii as an example.

My basic philosophy is that people should stay in their own lands and try to improve their people and their country.

America's situation is a bit different. If somehow ethnic nationalism were to take afoot, I would recommend partitioning. A nation state for the whites, black, asians, and what not. Of course the resources and territory allocated would be proportionate to the population.

Eurasians may be only 0.3% of the population in North America, but to a certain extent, we're more ethnocentric than most people.

Of those surveyed, 45% said that given the choice, they would rather date a Eurasian than an individual of any other ethnic background. Furthermore, 68% said they wished they could meet more Eurasians for romantic purposes. That number soared to 81% among respondents not in a committed relationship at the time of the survey.

Ironically, I believe most EAs take race so seriously is because they are "mongrels". Race is much more likely to be an issue for them. Of course, from my "racist" point of view, I believe EAs are smarter than other mongrels, and even "pure" negroes, mexicans, etc.

Asian and white intelligence is relatively equal, though I'll give the whites credit for more "creative" power, despite the asian higher IQ.

From a CBSNews article:
Yet in other types of characteristics — including grades, verbal ability and parents' education — the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.


Blacks have everything to gain by interbreeding, whites and asians have everything to lose.

This (imo) proves that genes play a role in intelligence. But despite the fact we aren't asian or white means we can't sympathize with 1st world countries being ravaged by Islam and immigrants. You guys will suceed in your goals a hell of alot sooner than we will.

We don't have a real culture or anything. All I know is that I like my genes and my women, and I don't want nons interbreeding with us (once again, ironically). So white nationalism has a hell of a lot more footing than my position, but I'm just doing what I feel naturally.
 
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I know you're not saying you believe this, Vlad, but they used to kill each other on the lava rock heiaus (pronounced "hay-ow", the "ow" as in "cow"). They ate Captain Cook's heart and brain.

Ethnic Hawaiiands are a mixed bag. Some of them have a lot of connects in government and business, whereas others are poor and stupid and eat lots of junk food. It was thought that "physical big was grand and good", so they mated for fatness for centuries. And they achieved their goal. There are some DNA evidences that polynesians originally came from South China. Melville's "Typee" is a good book on them. Melville briefly had a job setting up bowling pins in Honolulu on his way back from the Marquesas. He then sailked on a ship commanded by Richard Henry Dana to get back to the mainland- I believe around late 1840's or mid to late 1850's. He hated Dana.

I hope the Hawaiians cause lots of trouble for the US. The sooner they get the hell out of the United States, the faster the country will continue to break apart, and we Whites can maybe get Our Place. The Midwest.

By the way, great and increasing numbers of Hawaiians (not to mention Filipino invaders, Koreans, Chinese- you name it over there!) are increasingly rude, hostile, and physically assaulting to "diversity-clamoring" Whites in their midst, no matter if said Whites just got off the plane, or have lived there for decades. Some of us have learned and see with eyes wide opened. That's the difference. How many times I tried to explain to tourists (even some non-White tourists!) what was going on, and specifically how they should protect themselves, I can't count, but it was in the high hundreds.





 
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He said unsubstantiated which means posting a personal attack of speculation without solid proof.
Yeah, but is an unsubstantiated attack necessarily illegal? I suppose the target of the attack could sue for libel...
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I absolutely agree. But I was just using Hawaii as an example.

My basic philosophy is that people should stay in their own lands and try to improve their people and their country.

America's situation is a bit different. If somehow ethnic nationalism were to take afoot, I would recommend partitioning. A nation state for the whites, black, asians, and what not. Of course the resources and territory allocated would be proportionate to the population.

Eurasians may be only 0.3% of the population in North America, but to a certain extent, we're more ethnocentric than most people.

Of those surveyed, 45% said that given the choice, they would rather date a Eurasian than an individual of any other ethnic background. Furthermore, 68% said they wished they could meet more Eurasians for romantic purposes. That number soared to 81% among respondents not in a committed relationship at the time of the survey.

Ironically, I believe most EAs take race so seriously is because they are "mongrels". Race is much more likely to be an issue for them. Of course, from my "racist" point of view, I believe EAs are smarter than other mongrels, and even "pure" negroes, mexicans, etc.

Asian and white intelligence is relatively equal, though I'll give the whites credit for more "creative" power, despite the asian higher IQ.

From a CBSNews article:
Yet in other types of characteristics — including grades, verbal ability and parents' education — the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.


Blacks have everything to gain by interbreeding, whites and asians have everything to lose.

This (imo) proves that genes play a role in intelligence. But despite the fact we aren't asian or white means we can't sympathize with 1st world countries being ravaged by Islam and immigrants. You guys will suceed in your goals a hell of alot sooner than we will.

We don't have a real culture or anything. All I know is that I like my genes and my women, and I don't want nons interbreeding with us (once again, ironically). So white nationalism has a hell of a lot more footing than my position, but I'm just doing what I feel naturally.
I'd also like to clarify that despite seperation nation-states, an economic alliance of sorts would be useful to help us compete against the European Union. The reason the EU was created in the first place was to stand against the American and Japanese supereconomies (supranationalism so the european economy wasn't competeting so harshly against one another).
 
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Anima Eternae, hapas such as yourself, "Asams", whatever relate to Asiatics, not Whites. They may remember their White parent or grandparent, but they are Asiatics. I have perceived that they are almost always most comfortable with other Asiatics, not Whites. Just as mulattos are blacks, or half- or 1/4 or 1/8th jews are jews, you are "Asiatic".

Eurasian half or quarter breeds may prefer their own company because of their commonalities of genetics, family histories, and outlook, but they are a vast statistical minority. There are not nearly so many of them as there are mestizos, for example.

I have found that Eurasians (that, is White-mixed north-Asian mixes) do tend to act more polite and civil with Whites. I always ascribed this generally to the civilizing influence of their White parent (or less often, their White grandparent(s) ).

About asiatic IQ's. Japanese IQ's came out slightly higher in a study or two. They have more "cultural unity" than Whites. The Chinese population has not been tested in any nationwide sampling, now will it be for decades, considering their vast unemployment and ignorances. You can't put that over on us here. We know better. China is not the land of geniuses. What a load of crap. That's like trying to impute that India is the land of a billion geniuses.

Anyway, we wish our own homeland, not just to be treated reasonably civilly by White half-breeds, so that's a negligible, mostly uninteresting point, for our purposes. Why do half-breeds troll here? This is a White forum. There are mixed race forums where you can chat. Go tell them how evil we are. We can use the rep.
 
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Anyway, we wish our own homeland, not just to be treated reasonably civilly by White half-breeds, so that's a negligible, mostly uninteresting point, for our purposes. Why do half-breeds troll here? This is a White forum. There are mixed race forums where you can chat. Go tell them how evil we are. We can use the rep.
Because they're a bunch of brainwashed fools. I wish they had the mentality that most of you had about race. (then again, I'm sure you wished most whites had your mentality, as well)

I don't consider myself a "troll". Let me put it this way: I'd rather see some sort of WN goverment in charge of European nations or America right now than the current ways.

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Unfortunately, you're right. I've even seen them try to "out asian" each other to impress asians. It's pathetic. But when I was in Japan and Thailand, I can say that the situation is reversed. I believe it's based on the majority population in which they reside.

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Because they're a bunch of brainwashed fools. I wish they had the mentality that most of you had about race. (then again, I'm sure you wished most whites had your mentality, as well)

I don't consider myself a "troll". Let me put it this way: I'd rather see some sort of WN goverment in charge of European nations or America right now than the current ways.
I'll give you more credit then. What's your Asiatic half? Chinese or Japanese?

Commander Schoep says he is not overly partial to this place cause of the antis. Maybe you're, in the technical sense, not an anti. Be sure to urge your other Eurasians to get behind White racism bigtime. We'd like that. LOL. Here, you can listen to Jeff Schoep speak.
http://real.morriscomm.com:8080/ramg...choep082402.rm
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On another subject, CAL is rightaway wasting no time in rolling out his touting of "The New Orleans Protocol". Is that kinda like Malta, "The Monroe Doctrine" or "The Treaty Of Versailles"? I'd much rather hear "Don said...". I tell you, the pomposity reminds me of the time in the early 70's when I once bought a pair of trousers at a haberdasher's on Polk street in San Francisco. "Never again", as they say.
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On Sunday, May 30th, 2004, some of the world's top White racialist leaders promulgated The New Orleans Protocol. The first two standards of The New Orleans Protocol were: 1). Zero tolerance for illegality & violence, and; 2). Insistence on the high road of high moral tone.

You can listen now (at www.DavidDuke.com) to Don Black's enthusiastic endorsement of The New Orleans Protocol. Stormfront's Don Black was one of the five top White Nationalist leaders comprising the closing panel of the conference on Sunday.
 
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