Who is Jamie Kelso?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by OkieWonMuskogee

The above five criteria may describe the “cult” in question, but it a very poor definition/description of cults in general.

What I mean by cult is an organization that is secretive, totalitarian, paranoid, lockstep, and treats all criticism as disloyalty, and primarily interested in separating members from money in order to lines the nests of the leaders. I never thought of the NA as a cult until I saw the reaction of members to Fred Streed's article last summer. The NA is mostly made up of followers, and anyone with an independent ability to analyze the "leaders" fear and get rid of very quickly. Just as the jews do, the Strom and the others in the "gang of four" disallow any conception that there's any honest criticism of the NA possible. Rather they always, and by always I mean always, claim that critics are: 1) disgruntled employees; 2) COINTELPRO operatives.

The association with Kelso is a good example of where their heads are: signing up with a guy who was a higher-up in Scientology, about as nutty a group as you'll come across.

I write these things so that those members of the NA capable of independent thought have an outside perspective on what their group and its curious "leaders" are up to. Why does the NA want to "destroy" VNN and VNNF, as they told Edgar Steele? Because we represent a different and better way than they do, the way of Aryan freemen. And we use our freedom to write the truth about anything, including the National Alliance and Stormfront. And that scares the pickles out of them.

[Karl Ramstrom...]

Alex Linder said: "And that scares the pickles out of them."

[Exterminance]

I went into a Scientology establishment in Vancouver a few years back to ask a few questions about it. They sat me down in a movie theatre and played a movie for me. That and the way they talked made me suspect 'brainwashers' from the start.

Originally Posted by OkieWonMuskogee

I don’t have any particular use for Kelso. If he’s a clown, then he’s not much different than a lot of other clowns in the movement. Clowns are to be ignored. However, if Kelso is as bad as some VNN posters make him out to be, then he does a lot more harm to our race than any of you do good. [This sentence has been excised by me, Chain. You can't say that, friend. It's illegal.] It’s your patriotic duty. Either that or ignore him.

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What the censor really meant was that he's too scared to let my sentence ride. It was perfectly legal in the context that it was in.
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You VNNers should join with the BNP, the NA, and the signers of the New Orleans Protocols and adopt a common theme song, "We're Non-violent Niggers" but change the words to "we're non-violent revolutionaries."
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If a man says the Jews and other non-Whites are evil and destroying our race, and if that man refuses to consider violence as a means to save our race, then that "man" has not one ounce of patriotism.
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A man who sees evil and fails to adopt the necessary means to destroy that evil is a sheep.
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The "movement" is just a lot of hot air, when what is need is hot lead.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

What I mean by cult is an organization that is secretive, totalitarian, paranoid, lockstep, and treats all criticism as disloyalty, and primarily interested in separating members from money in order to lines the nests of the leaders. I never thought of the NA as a cult until I saw the reaction of members to Fred Streed's article last summer. The NA is mostly made up of followers, and anyone with an independent ability to analyze the "leaders" fear and get rid of very quickly. Just as the jews do, the Strom and the others in the "gang of four" disallow any conception that there's any honest criticism of the NA possible. Rather they always, and by always I mean always, claim that critics are: 1) disgruntled employees; 2) COINTELPRO operatives.

Cultism here:http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6013

and here:http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6024

My questions:

How is it that Kelso, who I don't think joined NA more than 1 year ago, is now organizing all their events? Most free time?

For those who knew WLP, would he have tolerated the presence of this queer?

Originally Posted by OkieWonMuskogee

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What the censor really meant was that he's too scared to let my sentence ride. It was perfectly legal in the context that it was in.
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You VNNers should join with the BNP, the NA, and the signers of the New Orleans Protocols and adopt a common theme song, "We're Non-violent Niggers" but change the words to "we're non-violent revolutionaries."
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If a man says the Jews and other non-Whites are evil and destroying our race, and if that man refuses to consider violence as a means to save our race, then that "man" has not one ounce of patriotism.
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A man who sees evil and fails to adopt the necessary means to destroy that evil is a sheep.
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The "movement" is just a lot of hot air, when what is need is hot lead.

One of the rules of this entire board is no posting of anything illegal. This is a public forum, you have to be careful about what you say. Talking about illegal stuff on a public forum is just plain silly. Oh believe me I wanted to use more colorful words but this is the Civil Forum.

Perhaps you should start your own Forum where people can talk about ANYTHING they want? See how long before ZOG shuts it down or puts you into jail.

[blueskies]

The NA is not interesting in recruiting leaders, but followers so as to raise more money . Seem's like greed and lust is one obstacle a leader must overcome in order to form an effective organization , The case of Chester Dole was too much of a leader which I believe threaten their bank account" Why Jim Jiles from the rebel army isn't even being mention from the NA? because it would divert their followers, or sheeple for that matter.

Originally Posted by Georgie

One of the rules of this entire board is no posting of anything illegal. This is a public forum, you have to be careful about what you say. Talking about illegal stuff on a public forum is just plain silly. Oh believe me I wanted to use more colorful words but this is the Civil Forum.

Perhaps you should start your own Forum where people can talk about ANYTHING they want? See how long before ZOG shuts it down or puts you into jail.

There was nothing illegal in my post. Period.
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Nor was my post silly. As far as silly goes, 90% of the posts on VVN are silly. At least 20% are either pornographic or would not be posted by a White man who was brought up by decent mother.
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I'm not afraid of the invented boogie man that hobbyists call ZOG. Our government is controlled by a coalition of our enemies, only one of whom is the 4 million Jews. The 40 million with the big lips and flat noses are not Jews. The 40 million greasy ones with tacos on their breath are not Jews. The millions of Injuns, Gypsies, Arabs, and the Asians are not Jews. The ones that look like Bush and Clinton are not Jews.

[Franco]

Originally Posted by OkieWonMuskogee

There was nothing illegal in my post. Period.
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Nor was my post silly. As far as silly goes, 90% of the posts on VVN are silly. At least 20% are either pornographic or would not be posted by a White man who was brought up by decent mother.
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I'm not afraid of the invented boogie man that hobbyists call ZOG. Our government is controlled by a coalition of our enemies, only one of whom is the 4 million Jews. The 40 million with the big lips and flat noses are not Jews. The 40 million greasy ones with tacos on their breath are not Jews. The millions of Injuns, Gypsies, Arabs, and the Asians are not Jews. The ones that look like Bush and Clinton are not Jews.

The comment that I deleted did mention a topic which violated board rules.

Maybe you should post in the opposition forum re: your above post re: Jews/non-Jews...


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Originally Posted by Exterminance

I went into a Scientology establishment in Vancouver a few years back to ask a few questions about it. They sat me down in a movie theatre and played a movie for me. That and the way they talked made me suspect 'brainwashers' from the start.

Maybe John Travolta and Jamie are levitating, carpet-flying Scientology "Clears" (or even HIGHER!). They might have supernatural powers like a Tibetan or a Yogi. Be careful, you crazy racists!

[cg jung]

Kelso seems to have a very interesting past... but so do alot of people in the WN movement.

Sometimes the personalities are more interesting than the ideology.

[Hugo Böse]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The association with Kelso is a good example of where their heads are: signing up with a guy who was a higher-up in Scientology, about as nutty a group as you'll come across.

So is Jamie Kelso aka. Charles A. Lindberg really a former scientologist? Seriously?

[Mike Mazzone of Palatine]

I did a search and the only time CAL mentioned Scientology was in post on one of Chain's threads, although CAL has make it clear that he doesn't want Chain posting on any of his threads.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...95&postcount=9

His post follows the post of a member named "VNNfan". Needless to say, he doesn't post there anymore, at least not with that name. I wonder if he's ever posted here?

[Hugo Böse]

Originally Posted by Palatine Creator

I did a search and the only time CAL mentioned Scientology was in post on one of Chain's threads, although CAL has make it clear that he doesn't want Chain posting on any of his threads.

Originally Posted by Palatine Creator

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=366295&postcount=9



His post follows the post of a member named "VNNfan". Needless to say, he doesn't post there anymore, at least not with that name. I wonder if he's ever posted here?

Well that post didn’t really say anything; CAL was just quoting some article.

I bet there’s lots of Jamie Kelsos out there, I highly doubt that the one in Linder’s post is the same one as our very own CAL, for one thing if memory serves me right CAL has a pretty heavy Southern accent, so it’s unlikely that he grew up in southern California.

[JohnAFlynn]

Originally Posted by Chain

Maybe John Travolta and Jamie are levitating, carpet-flying Scientology "Clears" (or even HIGHER!). They might have supernatural powers like a Tibetan or a Yogi. Be careful, you crazy racists!

We all better watch out, or CAL might use his OT© powers on the D/L to bust an Engram™ in your a**.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Right is Right

Well that post didn’t really say anything; CAL was just quoting some article.

I bet there’s lots of Jamie Kelsos out there, I highly doubt that the one in Linder’s post is the same one as our very own CAL, for one thing if memory serves me right CAL has a pretty heavy Southern accent, so it’s unlikely that he grew up in southern California.

I didn't hear any southern accent when he spoke at the recent madi gras convention. I heard a faggot accent.

That is one dude that needs [edited]. With his aviators cap on even. I bet that faggot ***** wears it every time he's at the computer.

Edited by George: Sorry Subrosa but that comment was a little too far. I understand your anger and it was kind of funny but illegal. No cursing either, although I'm not sure if faggot counts hehe.

[Karl Ramstrom...]

I didn't hear any southern accent when he spoke at the recent madi gras convention. I heard a faggot accent.

Calling anyone a homosexual is a serious accusation, kinda like dropping a verbal nuclear bomb on their character. In my opinion, such an accusation should never be made lightly, and when it is made, there should be some evidence to substantiate such a claim. That said, there are certain "indicators" that can point in the direction of an individual being a suspect homosexual. Here they are:

1: Individual is past 40, unmarried, and is never seen in the company of a girlfriend. (Erich Gliebe is past 40 and unmarried, but is a known satyr by all accounts, so that rules him out as gay)

2: Individual has a "gay" sounding voice. This may sound a bit silly, but many gays DO have a certain tonal quality to their voices that very often expose them as genuine homosexuals. However, keep in mind that Rock Hudson did not sound gay at all, and was as homosexual as they come. My personal belief is that "feminine" homosexuals have this peculiar tonal quality, while the more "masculine" homos do not.

3: Hand gestures can be revealing too. Stereotypical though it may be, gays often gesture in certain flitty, limp-wristed ways, and this too may be an indicator that an individual is homo.

4: Individual has a certain "cloying" personality, and is often drawn like a moth towards the more handsome males in a group, doing everything possible to be "near to them". Again, these are only warning signs that an individual may be gay.

So, is Jamie Kelso a homosexual? Apparently, David Duke and Don Black don't seem to think so, or why would they allow him in to their sanctified inner circle? On the other hand, perhaps attorney Edgar J. Steele's new "philosophy" regarding homosexual white nationalists has taken effect, permitting individuals like Jamie Kelso to be "accepted". Still, my view is this: any white male or any white female who fails to contribute white offspring to our people has no business being among our ranks.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Subrosa

I didn't hear any southern accent when he spoke at the recent madi gras convention. I heard a faggot accent.

That is one dude that needs [edited]. With his aviators cap on even. I bet that faggot ***** wears it every time he's at the computer.

Edited by George: Sorry Subrosa but that comment was a little too far. I understand your anger and it was kind of funny but illegal. No cursing either, although I'm not sure if faggot counts hehe.

Alright Georgie, you da boss! Damn, First Demonica nails me, then Georgie...I'm staying out of the Civil Forum!

I have posted this information from Operation Clambake, earlier in the religion forum, but here it is again:

There was a guy who spent tons on money on those outrageously expensive classes the Scientologists hold, and finally he got to learn their most inner secrets. He was so enraged, realizing he had been swindled, that he blew the whistle on them. The super-duper secret was where mankind comes from, and it is this:

Gazillions of years ago there was a Galactic Empire ruled by an emperor living in a space station. The empire had a problem: there were too many people in the empire, billions of billions. So the emperor invited them all to his space station and gave them hot chocolate to drink. But alas! The chocolate made them fall asleep, and while they were sleeping they were transported to earth.

Here, the countless billions of subjects were strapped to chairs above the oceans, and spun round and round until they got dizzy, and were then forced to watch bad movies on giant movie screens until they lost all will to resist and their souls left their bodies. The souls were scooped up by special soul nets and placed in volcanoes which were then blown up by nukes.

But alas! The souls remained intact, and waited for millions of years until mankind came along. So that is why all humans on earth today have thousands of alien souls inside us, mooching off our life energy. Scientology seeks to free us from all those souls, and once we are rid of them we are "cleared" and become veritable supermen. Evangelion!

Only morons believe it, of course. The Scientology Sect wastly exaggerates its membership, but there are still many thousands of people in it. This is yet more proof that not all people should be allowed to vote.

A Swedish singer grew up with Scientologic parents: she told of how when she fell and hurt herself as a child, her parents made her touch the wound and then the spot in the stairs were she was hurt again and again to heal. And when she learned how to drive, she first had to touch the engine, the wheels, etc on the car to get in "contact" with it.

Scientology spends a great deal of money and effort on silencing criticism. They have lawyers filing law suits against any opponent, such as renegades who warn people of the sect. They don't always care if the law suit will work or not, but know it is troublesome for the opponent all the same. There are people who have been bankrupted by the time spent in court.

Hubbard actually urged his followers to kill all who criticized the sect: there is an infamous quote where he says they should get a bullet in the forehead, but that has been removed from the Scientology manuals now.

Read this:

"We do not want Scientology to be reported in the press anywhere else but on the religion page of newspapers. It is destructive of word of mouth to permit the public press to express their biased and badly reported sensationalism. Therefore we should be very alert to sue for slander at the slightest chance so as to discourage the public press from mentioning Scientology."

And more:

One type of investigation Hubbard suggested was what he called "noisy investigations." He wrote in 1966 that if someone gave Scientology trouble, "find out where he or she works or worked ... and phone 'em up and say `I am investigating Mr./Mrs. for criminal activities and he/she has been trying to prevent man's freedom and is restraining my religious freedom and that of my friends and children, etc.' "

And more:

The memo, which was reprinted in People, a British paper, read: "We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one.... This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them." Filson was also told that his first job was to investigate Lord Balniel, then Chairman of the National Association of Mental Health -- and one of the men who had asked Kenneth Robinson to investigate Scientology.

Hubbard proclaims:

"without any action being taken against them, of twenty-one highly placed attackers, seventeen are now dead."