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Have you ever heard of Jesus? The core of Christianity is the doctrine of that Jesus, who was without sin, took the sins of man upon himself and suffered our punishment for us, to square things with God. The whole doctrine is premised on the most primitive and absurd notion of justice, namely that justice can be done by punishing an innocent party in the place of the guilty party (which in turn is premised on the idea that punishment is first and foremost just a matter of animal sadism: the wounded animal lashes out in anger, and whether he lashes out at the innocent or the guilty does not really matter, because it feels the same to him). It is moral savagery wrapped up in religious sanctimony. Modern white guilt is just a secularized version of Christian vicarious atonement: whites derive psychological gratification and social status from Jews, Christians, and liberals by assuming the unearned guilt of other whites and suffering for it (or, better yet, making other whites -- "those people," who are not so enlightened) suffer for it, by giving our countries away to non-whites and Jews. I recommend that everyone re-read my essay "Our Fault?" before you buy Alex's claim that I am selling the "white suicide meme." He's pushing a crude false dichotomy here. http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/04/our-fault/ |
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1. Revisionists themselves concede that many innocent Jews died in WW II, and that is "Holocaust enough" for Jewish purposes, even if one scrapes away all the lies told after the fact by people who sought to use these deaths for political and financial advantage. I don't concede that. The revisionists do. I'm just the bearer of the bad news that revisionism can't successfully get the Holocaust off our people's back. 2. I think Holocaust revisionism is a legitimate field of inquiry. Revisionists should have the right to investigate and publish without penalty. That does not constitute a blanket endorsement of their claims. Nor does it imply I think that revisionism is sufficient to get the Holocaust off our back. In the end, I think that the facts are on the Jewish side, in the sense that even if all the after-the-fact lies deducted from the story, there's still "Holocaust enough" for Jewish purposes. 3. That means that we have to look elsewhere than revisionism for an answer to the Holocaust question. I think that part of that answer is to put the Holocaust and the Second World War in a larger historical context, so as to show that Jewish suffering is not unique and that Jews on the whole are an aggressor people, not passive victims. But the deeper answer is moral. I would like whites to become serenely indifferent to guilt trips and moral blackmail, no matter what our people have done in the past. A race with the vitality and will to power to project future cannot be tied to past negatives. 4. All of the above is true, and I am saying it because I believe that it is true, and because I think it is important for White Nationalists to get their heads screwed on straight if we are going to be effective. I think you would prefer to believe that I am lying, but I am not. Sorry to disappoint you. 5. This controversy is very important. I used to have a rather laissez faire attitude toward the whole range of the WN scene. I had hoped that I could help foster a constructive way for WNs of different stripes to make the best of their different outlooks by networking among themselves and turning their energies toward fighting the enemy rather than one another. Well, that was not possible given the human material here. But now I think that nothing is more important than to separate what I am doing from Old Right thinking and the milieu that gives birth to people like Hadding Scott and Wade Michael Page. So as I see it, the propensity to factionalism and infighting is now working in my favor. Keep up the good work. |
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I am sorry but anybody that has a hard time stomaching The Turner Diaries is not a very convincing role-model for toughmindedness. We are also the only race that seems to care much about the suffering of animals. I don't think that White people in general are going to become coldhearted brutes able to laugh off accusations of gratuitous mass-murder anytime soon. Even the Turks don't do that. The answer to Holocaust propaganda is to educate our people in the truth. Truth is a great European value, by the way, maybe our highest value. Calculating to exploit the prevailing false belief is rather Jewish.
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It's simply conforming to authority. Obeying authority. The mass of people is biologically prone to do that. If authority says "you're evil, your ancestors are uniquely guilty," the mass of people will go along with that too. There's nothing more too it than that. Christ, I couldn't figure it out myself when I was in college. Bradley Smith tried to place an ad in my student paper. My jewish feminist editor rejected it. I didn't think anything of it. I assumed Smith was just a shit-stirrer. Christ, if I can't figure out, me being the smartest person who ever lived (in my mind), how can the average person? According to Greg Johnson and Jared Piece-of-Shit Taylor, we're supposed to blame that poor fat myopic sixth grader collecting paperclips or pennies to commemorate the six billion or whatever it is. Really? We're supposed to blame this poor kid, because he has some unique sicko fetish for feeling guilty? That's the problem, rather than everyone he knows lying to him, hiding the truth, calling him a hater if he even begins to develop a doubt? Nah, y'all go on and blame whites. I'm not taking any blame for myself not knowing when I was 20, and since I hold myself to a higher standard, I'm sure as hell not going to blame people with a lower mental capacity and lower genetic capacity for resistance to authority. Whites are getting screwed by authorities. By jews and the knowing and unknowing men of other races who serve them. Anyone who tells you whites are to blame is your enemy, not your friend. He is doing it not because believes it's the truth, but because it serves his interests. It takes the heat off him. It's SAFE to blame whites. It's DANGEROUS to blame jews. There is nothing morbid about the white capacity to feel guilt; we have it in proportion as we have the rest of our emotions and feelings. Should we then become shameless liars like the jews, always accusing others baselessly while playing the innocent victim? I don't think we should. I think we're just fine as we are - except we need to devote our brains to figuring out to protect ourselves, not why we're biologically racially defective, as Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson claim. Last edited by Alex Linder; August 11th, 2012 at 01:04 AM. |
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Look at the real psychology of those who have been intellectually persuaded by the authority teaching that whites are uniquely responsible for racism and 'the' 'holocaust.' They don't show they feel any personal guilt. Those whites wearing yokes to apologize for slavery are a tiny fetishistic minority of a larger minority of illiberals, yet you and Liar Taylor pretend they are representative. The average person doesn't doubt the teachings of authority, knows that it's not safe to go against them publicly, and knows...the important part...those who do go against them are fair game to be beaten up on in the most abusive terms. Which these authority-conformists, a good share of them, really enjoy. White guilt is nowhere to be found. Rather, many have been taught by authority that to redeem their race they must act and believe differently, and help stamp out any atavistic tendency not in line with the new order. This they do with some relish, sort of an inverted bloodlust born of conformity. Just as we see with the war against Iraq. Quote:
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There's nothing crude and dichotomous about the fact that the jews abuse our people with Holohoax lies daily, and your view is that we should just...let them. You are wrong. Last edited by Alex Linder; August 11th, 2012 at 01:09 AM. |
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I taught you the right way. When you grew up, you departed from it. Return to it, o prodigal sodomite! You need to sit down and figure out what you are, Dr. Johnson. That must precede any venturing into waters as deep as racial nationalism and jew-criticism. You have to think the thing all the way through, otherwise the daily hurricanes will blow you off course. Stability and consistency are what are most needed by the virtual (for now) masses. When people I respect like you and MacDonald go wrong, it is doubly or quadruply incumbent on me to bash them back to the right line, and that is a duty I will not shirk. Listen to me, you idiot. Don't listen to a liar like Jared Taylor. He is not our race's friend, he is our race's enemy. Quote:
It's awfully funny that you're perfectly willing to concede our WORST ENEMY the BIG LIE that his kind suffered uniquely in WWII. You're willing to let him use that as the basis of an anti-white 'educational' effort in public schools across the west, and as the basis for extracting literally trillions of dollars from the white people who suffered MORE than these lying jews did in WWII. That is astonishing. Where is the sound politics in it? I need to argue this? I mean, this is sky-is-blue stuff. And throw on top that the enemy's claims, which he has invested a fortune in promoting, ARE DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE. And you're backing off the found facts like they serve the enemy? I mean, really, what the fuck? We're not even disagreeing because your position doesn't even rise to the level of risible, let alone debatable. The only relevant question is your motivation. Which we now know, since you've stated you are, is chasing funds through 501c3, which involves softening your position. Which is not what you should be doing. You should be up-front about what you're doing, and not try to pretend that your organization's self-interest is identical solid White politics when in fact is the opposite. That's how jews act, come to think of it. Hey, Gregster: here's a good name for your 501c3. Go-With-The-Flow Foundation. Has a ring to it, don't you think? Quote:
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Do you even understand your position, Doc H? It's that even if WN were in charge and putting out revisionist found facts over the airwaves, whites wouldn't be receptive to them because of their unique disposition to feel guilty. Do you honestly believe that? Do you honestly believes whites are doing anything other than conforming to what SEEMS to be true, to what EVERYBODY ELSE seems to be doing and saying, to what LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY is spouting from every loudspeaker? That's the fucking problem, not that whites are biologically genetically flawed for some reason. The jews are the authorities. They have a script for every race, class, sex and whatever. And these scrips are mostly followed, and race has nothing to do with that. It's because the script-writers ARE THE AUTHORITY. Most people, in all times and places, for biological reasons, FOLLOW AUTHORITY. IF you want a biological 'flaw,' that's it: conformism to authority. But we know that's socially necessary. What's politically necessary, and you should be working on rather than writing 5k-word Batman reviews, is chopping off the jewish head and replacing it with a genuine Aryan kopf. When the white head returns atop the white body, the body will comply with its wishes. White guilt? Nigga please. Quote:
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Jeez, Alex, this looks like you're having a meltdown.
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From: Kevin MacDonald <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Another Submission I am sorry, but I do not have sympathy for this line of argument. IMO, revisionism is a waste of time. Kevin M |
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As Hadding pointed out, that blog post is an abridged version of my essay. I don't post essay-length material on my blog.
There are many problems with Greg's arguments, some of them pointed out in my post. The fundamental problem is that Greg is asking us to be weak in the face of our enemies and grovel to their Holocaust myth. |
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I actually have relatively little in common with Wade Michael Page. That guy had an alcohol problem that conspired with the current bad economy to ruin his life -- first his job, then his house -- and he decided to go out with a bang instead of a whimper. As a national-socialist, my view is that the government failed by (1) economic policies that are disloyal to the American people and (2) letting Page wallow in his ruin and become a source of trouble instead of helping him get straightened out. An alcoholic ready to fly off the handle is one thing that I am not.
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Greg Johnson wrote: >1. Revisionists themselves concede that many innocent Jews died in WW II, and that is "Holocaust enough" for Jewish purposes... >2. … In the end, I think that the facts are on the Jewish side, in the sense that even if all the after-the-fact lies deducted from the story, there's still "Holocaust enough" for Jewish purposes. >3. … I would like whites to become serenely indifferent to guilt trips and moral blackmail, no matter what our people have done in the past. A race with the vitality and will to power to project future cannot be tied to past negatives. ------- Please quantify what you think is '"Holocaust enough" for Jewish purposes'. Is 500,000 dead as a result of disease, starvation and other general consequences of a breakdown in basic infrastructure, along with no genocidal plan and of course no gas chambers? Are these the facts that you think are on the jewish side? I really don't think so. Give us some concrete minimum criteria (instead of constant evasions) of what you think jews would accept as a 'Holocaust'. What is the minimum combination that you (or jews) think, constitutes a 'Holocaust'? Your opinions on this have vague generalizations about them, because as you have said elsewhere you really don't have much of an interest in the topic and have not studied it. Your being 'serenely indifferent … no matter what our people have done in the past' idea sounds a little like you're suggesting a psychopathic attitude. Guilt is good if it stems from real crimes. But creating endless guilt based on gigantic lies broadcast everyday of our lives by jewish media propaganda is criminal abuse. And this is what you are condoning (by 'stepping over'), the continuing abuse by jewish media of Whites through jewish 'Holocaust' lies. Whites have a guilty conscience because they are being told non-stop, cradle to grave, by jewish media that Whites are evil. Another thing is your disrespect to Revisionists by your advice. They have labored away, suffering persecution, through jail sentences, loss of jobs and so on because they believed in the need for the truth to come out: that the 'holocaust' is in actual fact a hoax. So you come along, in confessed ignorance, and dismiss them with "Holocaust enough" talk. Step over your own ignorance and study the 'Holocaust' properly and come back in six months with Version 2 of your essay. |
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Note again how the Ph.D. is taken in by words. "Revisionism" is a waste of time. That's equivalent to saying the facts are a waste of time. Even when they're used to refute big lies that are the basis of group libel? Even when those libels are used to abuse white children daily? It is his line of argument that leads nowhere, and as with Greg, his real motive is not intellectual, it is personal. |
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Even the awakened psychologist is unable to deal with the Big Lie (as Hitler predicted) and so now he denies that which his own work serves to explain. Not withstanding his obvious aversion to the term, MacDonald has been a 'revisionist' of both science and history and because of this his work and reputation have been dumped on by the Jews and the mainstream. But now he's finally folded and is caught trying to shit on his neighbours who've spent years ploughing the very field that flows out from his own. As things stand MacDonald is cursed like Cassandra. And no one can ever trust his word or purpose again. |
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I noticed a disturbing trend develop in that series of interviews that Tom Sunic did with MacDonald a year or two back on VOR. At every opportunity they would mention ''pogroms'', ''suffering'', and ''horrible crimes'' against Jews which (according to TS and KM) stretched back through all of recorded history. I didn't need to see the rat in the room to know it was there, I could smell it streaming out of my laptop. |
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