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Old November 24th, 2009 #2
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11/24/09

Hello !

The Hollywod film "Glory" gives praise to the Yankee Negro invasion of South Carolina. I have enclosed a prominent excerpt from the battle report. It tells a different story.

CHARLESTON HARBOR -- ASSAULT ON FORT WAGNER;

JULY 8 TO 22, 1863.

BRIGADIER-GENERAL R.S. RIPLEY

"The carnage of the enemy in the confined space in front of Battery Wagner was extreme. The ditch and glacis were encumbered with the slain of all ranks and colors, for the enemy had put the poor negroes, whom they had forced into an unnatural service, in front, to be, as they were, slaughtered indiscriminately. The white colonel who commanded them fell with many officers of the regiment (the Fifty-fourth Massachusetts), and the colors under which they were sent to butchery by hypocrisy and inhumanity, fell draggled in blood and sand in the ditch, a mournful memorial of the waste of industry."
 
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Alex,

I have this guy pegged as just another one of these cuff-link wearing, stuffy Brits who are more worried about not 'offending' their enemies and about trying to 'nice' their opponents into surrendering, than they are about crushing the enemy and winning this battle.

Here is a post from Western World News that seems to be trying to turn the white nationalist movement into a Jew friendly pile of useless manure. In my view, we do have more than our share of wackos and dysfunctional types who are doing more harm than good - but, if you ask me, anybody or any group who is pro-white and who is identifying the enemy by name - then they are
an asset.

Why not post this to VNN and see what kind of comments we get?

thanks!
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Can America Be Saved?
The first step in setting this up must be the creation of a European-American Political Action Committee (EUPAC).

by Arthur Kemp

I am currently busy with a new book directed specifically at white Americans. It will start with a brief overview of the racial demographic problem facing the United States of America, but is mainly focused on a solution rather than restating the obvious.

The solution, the book will argue, lies in real political participation.

For too long, pro-white activists in America have been led down the garden path by a bunch of psychopaths, losers, and do-nothing cranks.

I have identified these groups as “cancers” in the so-called “right wing.”

Only once these cancers have been firmly expelled or closed down, will there be any chance of realistic political action.

In fact, I will argue, one of the primary reasons why America sits on the edge of a racial catastrophe is because of the malignant influence of these cancers.

The Nazi-costumed freaks, the mentally ill-Christian Identity adherents and the disgraceful skinheads have all allowed the enemies of white America to smear anybody who opposes the destruction of that country as crackpots.


The irony of this is not lost: those groups are indeed crackpots. But why then is there no “sensible” white American political movement?

Why did the Ron Paul-type politics not emerge twenty years ago, like it should have?

The answer is because the majority of people who understand the issue of racial demographics have been sucked up into the dead-end politics of the cancers listed below.

The chapter headings of the new book are as follows:

http://www.arthurkemp.com/?p=412
 
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Kemp makes two errors off the bat:

1) Ron Paul movement is not pro-White in any sense. It may be made up of whiteskinned individuals, but they do not consciously identify as White, and do consciously resist any who point out what they really have in common. And their champion, while fully aware of the racialist cause, runs from his own words, scared by a 23-year-old queer jew.

Which leads to point two:

2) The answer is because the majority of people who understand the issue of racial demographics have been sucked up into the dead-end politics of the cancers listed below.

Wrong. Millions more who understood race wasted their lives and money behind one of the two parties that are the only ones who ever win elections in America. No, contra Kemp, the movement hasn't failed, the movement has, so far, been defeated. There is a difference. Saying the movement failed means that what the movement did is the reason for the outcome. That may be true in a sense and to an extent, but it pales beside enemy action in explaining the outcome to date. The problem White Nationalism faces is neither one of philosophy (as some maintain) nor of mechanics (as Kemp maintains). It is a technical problem; a power problem rather than a presentation problem. The fundamental problem WN/racialism faces is not how to dress, act or argue, rather it is how to thwart an enemy who controls all the high ground - all the money, all the tv cameras, all the manure-spreaders (GEM - govt, education, media).

BTW, the buried axiom of Kemp's remarks is that racialists/nationalists somewhere else have done better than in the U.S. Who would these be? The BNP? They have not reversed a single law damaging whites, and they can't even mention the real enemy lest they be thrown in jail. RSA? One shields a polite laugh. Who then? The only ones who have succeeded were the NS in 30s Germany. I'll repeat again, that no matter what self-appointed experts say, dressing up like nazis is no deal-breaker in the post-modern west, where everything old is new again. It might not be advisable, but it is not something the success or failure of a movement will turn on.

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Others can comment in this thread, but they'd better be pithy and non-stupid, your leavings.
 
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Let me put it this way, and this is an extremely significant point, which almost none of "our" advisers takes into account.

We are the defeated party. We are minority party. We are the hated, discriminated against, infiltrated and murdered, yes, murdered, party.

Thus, when you speak about us reforming our behavior, mister, you fail save you begin first with

OUR BEHAVIOR insofar as we take into account the real-world actions of the enemy, and resist him.


But 100% of those who advise us argue as if our success is purely a matter of our acting right (ie, the way they advise). They do not take enemy action into account, not even in their arguments. THIS is insanity. It will lead where it always has before.

Every argument that assumes or pretends the system is fair, and it is our failure to negotiate or operate it properly -- which is to say, every mechnical argument -- is WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. It is enemy action, not our arguments, dress or behavior, that accounts for our failure - so far.

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Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent on Kemp's "Can America be Saved?"

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...rica-be-saved/

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...a-be-saved-ii/
 
Old November 24th, 2009 #8
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The problem the judeo-left has is not with

white-people-who-dress-like-nazis

or with

white-people-who-live-in-Red-states

or with

white-people-with-bad-breath.

Their problem is with white people

per se.

How loud do they gotta say it, man, before you believe?

"White people are the cancer of human history."

"We plan to keep on bashing white men, living and dead, until they disappear."

Why do you think the judeo-left means something other than what it says, when all their policies, their 'long train of abuses and usurpations' conduce to the same terminal?

They mean it, man.

They hate us for what we are. Not what we think, what we do, or what we say. For what we are.

There is no mouthwash you can swirl, no tie you can buy, no party you can join, no euphemism you can employ that will make YOUR KIND ungenocide-worthy to their sick semitic minds.

Figure it out, man.

Your skin is your uniform. Whether you like that or not.
 
Old November 28th, 2009 #9
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Kemp is putting the cart before the horse.

Nothing is going to happen until the average White person, and the average White nationalist for that matter, overcomes their lethargy and gets working on productive projects. Said projects should be designed to be synergistic and, accomplished collaboratively, lead to a greater whole.

Example -- 3 guys get a business loan and buy a Convenience store and an attached property to live in. use the ample spare time running the registers to study up on how to run a small business. Succeed at the convenience store, buy more and run those and teach new WN's how to do the same.

In the process, you screen out the losers, and you "train up" the people with potential.

Long term result -- the WN movement, what exists of it, becomes a decentralized, wealthy, lawyered-up, educationally elite market-dominant-minority.

There's lots of White families that don't want television and credit card debt and junk food and idiocy, but they don't have a good alternative model to follow. They cobble together some elements, but miss others. It needs to be checklisted and systematized:

1. Small businesses, and small business education, such as mastering Quickbooks, the book "The E-Myth" (a book on why small businesses succeed or fail)

2. WN small business network that takes over local "business networking" groups and municipal governments, especially "zoning." The network also targets non-WN businesses for takeover.

3. Stay at home mothers home schooling "it takes a (White) village."

4. For the kids, -- foreign language training (especially Mandarin Chinese as it's a dominant language for doing business), classical music training, high quality martial arts training, and education in REAL HISTORY, including the history of White antiquity.

that's what it takes, not a new image or a new label or any of that. What we need to do doesn't have much to do with WN politics, except that we find each other through WN politics.

The ONLY value of the WN movement RIGHT NOW is the dissemination of good ideas, and as a contact service for us to find each other. People used to criticize the old Dr. Pierce National Alliance, and I used to say, "If nothing else, it was a great contact service. All my friends nowadays are Dr. Pierce alumni."

The enemy walks all over us, because we can't get our shit together to to the degree that Pakistanis do. Pakistani convenience store owners are better tribalists, better race warriors, than we are. They advance on new territory, while not ceding what they have, while all we have been doing lately is retreat, retreat, retreat. Sad but true.
 
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The enemy walks all over us, because we can't get our shit together to to the degree that Pakistanis do. Pakistani convenience store owners are better tribalists, better race warriors, than we are. They advance on new territory, while not ceding what they have, while all we have been doing lately is retreat, retreat, retreat. Sad but true.
You're missing my point: No one is trying to undermine Pakis, or prevent their activities. The federal government and umpteen private groups ARE trying to undermine our activities. That is the crucial, overriding and important difference, and it is almost never taken into account by WN advisers. Why? A residue of the golden, MYOBism, stay-positive, "love your race." The left wins because it focuses on the enemy and how to thwart him. It never lets him get started, once he has power. The only WN who have succeeded -- original Klan and NS -- not only named the enemy, they took the fight directly to him. Kemp and the rest act as though we have no enemy except ourselves, which is utterly ridiculous.

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Old November 29th, 2009 #11
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You're missing my point: No one is trying to undermine Pakis, or prevent their activities. The federal government and umpteen private groups ARE trying to undermine our activities. That is the crucial, overriding and important difference, and it is almost never taken into account by WN advisers. Why? A reside of the golden, MYOBism, stay-positive, "love your race." The left wins because it focuses on the enemy and how to thwart him. It never lets him get started, once he has power. The only WN who have succeeded -- original Klan and NS -- not only named the enemy, they took the fight directly to him. Kemp and the rest act as though we have no enemy except ourselves, which is utterly ridiculous.
No one would stop us if we quietly got into the convenience store business. Pakis aren't pushing an obvious political agenda, just their own economic agenda.

From the starting point of a bunch of people with precarious jobs, rather than business owners, we have a very weak jumping-off platform.

Jewish Communists didn't worry about losing their jobs. They worked as professional Commie agitators, and the wealthy business owning jew tribe took care of them financially.

I'm not arguing in favor of Kemp, or you. What I'm saying is that we need an economic base of operations before we can get political operations going and make them last. As it is, we can do political stuff, but we are totally self funded, and we risk losing our jobs. This is what stopped me, and when I stopped, there was some momentum but they weren't doing the same things. I was the one who came up with the stuff to do and how to do it. If someone could have paid me 60,000.00 a year I could have stayed in Boston and I'd still be doing that stuff now.

Also, a lot of Whites in the movement are not media savvy and don't have a basic education in Western civilization. The convenience store business would be a good opportunity to give these folks a homegrown education, independent of the overpriced (and soon to be gone) kwalleges and jewniversities.
 
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Hey Kievsky,

You're an engaging contributor to VNNF and I don't mean to be overly critical of a well intentioned idea, but the suggestion that whites should fight their displacement and their dis-empowerment by becoming a "market dominant minority" presupposes that we are already beaten, that the contest for the political and ethnic dominion of America is already decided, and that the victors were the "judeo-Left" and their multiracial capitalist system.

We will not retain the best qualities of our race, or its (racial) regenerative potential, unless we remain a culturally dominant majority. Any other paradigm makes us either parasites or slaves. Generations in either condition will make us Jews. And unlike the Jews of this and past eras, who had a enough white looking Jews to work as front men for their agenda, minority Whites in a multiracial America would all look White and so stand out as enemies of the multicultralists who could destroy them at will.

Our answer is to fight, now, for cultural and demographic dominance. Our answer is to define the histories that inform current political understandings. And then to connect history to the political conflicts as it they are existent in the West today. We must do this so that when the economic situation stagnates and the entitlement state cannot pay all the muds to be good citizens, enough Whites will be able to recognize the different sides when the fighting starts. Our job is to define the conflict now so that if White Nationalism gains its first prominent foothold in Europe, enough White Americans will resist any American attempt to prosecute a war against European White Nationalism.

There are a lot of disillusioned and disenfranchised Whites in America. People who will be paying for decades on money they borrowed to pay for an education that was little more than a four year guilt trip with a few science electives. There are white men being indebted to an entitlement system that subsidizes divorces, steals children and holds them (men) down by law. There are working people who married their high school sweetheart, got a car note, a mortgage, and a job, only to lose it all when an overcrowded Mexican tenement appeared to undercut local labor value. There is a whole generation of people looking at all the wealth their parents accumulated working at jobs that are no longer done in America, and wondering: What the fuck?

All these people need to in order to start fighting is for fighting to start.

And until it does, we need to keep promulgating White Nationalism as the moral, the intellectual, and the practical solution to the status quo. We need to do this because we are reaching people. I will be 39 soon and I've only been aware of this movement for a few years. That means that for most of my life I just kept wondering why nobody would fix America's obvious problems. It turned out that the answer was obvious, America's problems are the deliberate program of the Jews and Internationalists who are running it. If White Nationalism can teach that to enough people soon enough, America could become a White country again. And if not, some kind of White Homeland could be carved from it.

We really don't need more lawyers and convenience stores. Lawyers and convenience store owners serve power. As does money. And Power, in case you're wondering, is nothing more than the strength to fight.
 
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No one would stop us if we quietly got into the convenience store business. Pakis aren't pushing an obvious political agenda, just their own economic agenda.

From the starting point of a bunch of people with precarious jobs, rather than business owners, we have a very weak jumping-off platform.

Jewish Communists didn't worry about losing their jobs. They worked as professional Commie agitators, and the wealthy business owning jew tribe took care of them financially.

I'm not arguing in favor of Kemp, or you. What I'm saying is that we need an economic base of operations before we can get political operations going and make them last. As it is, we can do political stuff, but we are totally self funded, and we risk losing our jobs. This is what stopped me, and when I stopped, there was some momentum but they weren't doing the same things. I was the one who came up with the stuff to do and how to do it. If someone could have paid me 60,000.00 a year I could have stayed in Boston and I'd still be doing that stuff now.

Also, a lot of Whites in the movement are not media savvy and don't have a basic education in Western civilization. The convenience store business would be a good opportunity to give these folks a homegrown education, independent of the overpriced (and soon to be gone) kwalleges and jewniversities.
What you're talking about is making money. That's not what I'm talking about. Your ways of making money are valid, but what I'm talking about is creating real political power. The left has billionaires (Soros) and average-aires WHO ARE FUNDED BY THE STATE (college profs and such). But the right has plenty of money too, and even racialism can attract money. But turning that into power is where what I'm saying comes into play. The left wins because it identifies, smears, and destroys the opposition. Meanwhile, most of the main figures in WN advise us to stay positive. It doesn't work that way, and history shows that it doesn't work that way. Not just the success of the Klan and the NS, but ALL THE SUCCESS OF THE JUDEO-LEFT. Alinsky succeeded. Obama succeeded. The USSR founders succeeded. They didn't do it by staying positive or loving their race. They did it by attacking, verbally and violently, anyone who resisted. We, by contrast, scarecely take the enemy into account. That's why we fail. Addressing the power of the enemy is job #1. Or job #2, after we know what we want. But I think we're pretty much agree on that - a White nation without jews or muds. "Stay positive" WN is nothing but another name for conservatism, which itself is another name for failure.
 
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But the right has plenty of money too, and even racialism can attract money. But turning that into power is where what I'm saying comes into play.
Can it? We had a pretty good year around 2001-2002 and we didn't attract money. With a few salaried professionals we could get a whole lot done. We could be like Sharpton and Jackson, parachuting in wherever Whites are attacked, and doing pressure campaigns against newspapers and local politicians.

I'm completely in favor of (polemically) attacking the enemy, and there's plenty to attack. 2001-2002 was the most exhilarating year of my life, and it proved to me the truth of the old Woody Allen saying, "90% of life is just showing up."

If a few well spoken, well groomed representatives of the WN movement showed up at "teachable moment events," and we backed up our campaigns with legal action, such as forcing the police to release video of the schoolbus attack on the girl in Missouri, and then putting a still of that attack on a billboard in the area, we'd become a household name.

There's land that can be purchased along highways that already have the frames for billboards. We could do highway billboards with our message.

Another thing I'd do if I was a full time professional WN is be a contact service and "screener" to screen out the freaks and weirdos and criminals, and help WN's develop informal social networks and home schooling groups in their local areas.

What I envision is something that will look like what the "Christian right" has, but it will be less anti-intellectual and it will use Islamic strategies for taking territory. The WN'ist religion should observe the doctrines of Taqqiyah (dissimulation about one's true views), jihad (inner struggle for the purpose of eventually waging effective war), and asabiyah (social cohesion). Multi-racial societies will be considered "territory of war or chaos," and White areas are to be considered "territories of peace."

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dar al-harb (territory of war or chaos) is the name for the regions where Islam does not dominate, where divine will is not observed, and therefore where continuing strife is the norm. By contrast, dar al-islam (territory of peace) is the name for those territories where Islam does dominate, where submission to God is observed, and where peace and tranquility reign.
The hate campaign against Whites has set the stage perfectly for a WN'ist religion, and Islam has a lot of practical, worldly, strategic thinking built into it's doctrines that are ready made for us. Whites are definitely ready for a WN'ist militant religion, but the militant religion should dress in office casual and practice Taqqiyah among the infidels.
 
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The only reason I'm so money-centric, Alex, is because I see the "economic sanctions" as the lever that the jews use to easily defeat us. It's basic political strategy. If we can't stand on our own two feet, financially, we can't even begin to fight.

But let's fantasize for a moment. Let's pretend that money is not an issue that prevents us from doing anything else. I'll be happy to play along.

I even see a possibility, in the context of general economic collapse, that we'll all be so broke that we won't need to surmount jewish economic and political dominance just to get organized. We'll have troubles, but so will they. White nationalists will be the least of their worries.

I tell you what I'm going to do, Alex. I'll reveal right here, my plans for local organizing.

I'm going to start a White nationalist religion. I have a couple of prophets that I'm in touch with, one in New Jersey, and one in Massachusetts. They are both very well read in ancient White pre-xtian religions.

The heathen White religions such as Odinism and Mithraism will be synthesized with yoga and qigong and MMA fighting arts, and organic farming and food preservation and modern medicine and modern science, and classical music and classical art and classical literature.

Basically we reconstitute the best of Western civilization, and create a militant racialist religion of conquest. But we don't scream about it from the rooftops. We practice taqqiyah, while we aren't powerful enough, just like the Muslims do.

That's the plan, Alex.
 
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Example -- 3 guys get a business loan and buy a Convenience store and an attached property to live in. use the ample spare time running the registers to study up on how to run a small business. Succeed at the convenience store, buy more and run those and teach new WN's how to do the same.
See my thoughts on your small business strategy here.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=104331
 
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The only reason I'm so money-centric, Alex, is because I see the "economic sanctions" as the lever that the jews use to easily defeat us. It's basic political strategy. If we can't stand on our own two feet, financially, we can't even begin to fight.
I think you're completely wrong. Money is not the least of our concerns, but it is far down the list. The problem is there is no leadership. The men aren't there. All they want to do is write pretty essays and collection congratulations and donations. Essay writing has virtually nothing to do with political leadership.

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But let's fantasize for a moment. Let's pretend that money is not an issue that prevents us from doing anything else. I'll be happy to play along.
You're fantasizing by pretending a manpower problem is a money problem.

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I even see a possibility, in the context of general economic collapse, that we'll all be so broke that we won't need to surmount jewish economic and political dominance just to get organized. We'll have troubles, but so will they. White nationalists will be the least of their worries.

I tell you what I'm going to do, Alex. I'll reveal right here, my plans for local organizing.

I'm going to start a White nationalist religion. I have a couple of prophets that I'm in touch with, one in New Jersey, and one in Massachusetts. They are both very well read in ancient White pre-xtian religions.

The heathen White religions such as Odinism and Mithraism will be synthesized with yoga and qigong and MMA fighting arts, and organic farming and food preservation and modern medicine and modern science, and classical music and classical art and classical literature.

Basically we reconstitute the best of Western civilization, and create a militant racialist religion of conquest. But we don't scream about it from the rooftops. We practice taqqiyah, while we aren't powerful enough, just like the Muslims do.

That's the plan, Alex.
Great. Theoretically it could work. Starting a White religion is certainly a valid approach. Whether it actually will depends on the quality of leadership, the program, the quality and number of people you can attract, and finally, but not least - your ability to withstand infilgration, public shaming and exposure, and federal firepower.
 
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It's only an ecomomic sanction secondarily; it is first a problem of political/media control. The economics sanctions (getting people fired; getting charitable foundations declared "terrorist" agencies) is a function of jews' control of mass media and central government. Once you control those, you're in position to reap a lot of benefits. You can name and shame - or expose, isolate, smear and destroy, as jew radical Alinsky advocated (he was the one whose school Obama was trained in as a Chicago nigger organizer).
 
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America's problems are the deliberate program of the Jews and Internationalists who are running it. If White Nationalism can teach that to enough people soon enough, America could become a White country again. And if not, some kind of White Homeland could be carved from it.
I think that's what it boils down to, reaching enough people soon enough. If not, it's time to circle the wagons and dig in for the battle which is sure to come.
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