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Old December 3rd, 2010 #1
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Default DNA: Florida Bog People 7,000 to 8,000 Year Ago Were “European”

DNA: Florida Bog People 7,000 to 8,000 Year Ago Were “European”

By George Kadar

Posted by permission of the author.

Day One

In January of 1982 a most interesting chapter in American archeology was opened by a backhoe operator at Windover Florida, Mr. Steve Vanderjagt. He was just about to prepare a new road in a swampy area called the Windover Bog near Titusville not far from the Kennedy Space Center when he noticed that the backhoe was turning up a human skull mixed into the black peat. Jim Swann chief developer of the project realized that he was dealing with ancient remains from the coloring of the bones and decided to call in archeologist Glen H. Doran a professor and chair of anthropology from Florida State University. As the human remains kept coming up from the shallow graves Doran noticed the extreme wear on the teeth and the complete lack of ceramic materials, indicating an ancient grave site older than 3,000 years. As a trained anthropologist with extensive experience he also must have realized that the skulls he was dealing with were not what we call “native Americans” but to his credit he decided to go ahead with a plan to study the site.

When the first carbon dating was returned the age of the remains was established as older than 7,000 years. It was clear from this moment on that Windover is the richest archeological site of that time period in America and will provide an unprecedented opportunity to learn about the ancient population of the area. Because the whole site was under water a large area of the bog had to be drained in order to recover and preserve everything properly from the site. In 1984 130 wells were sunk into the peat, pumping out a thousand gallons of water per minute, 24/7. As the water was drained an ancient underwater cemetery became visible – an extraordinary archeological find by all means. 168 well preserved skeletons of men, women and children were recovered providing a rich window into the lives of a people we did barely know existed. Tools made of bones and even wooden objects and fabric survived in good condition because of the unusual neutral pH, low acidic balance of the water that preserved it. Interestingly all the ponds close by tested highly acidic in comparison. Fungus and bacteria growth was simply locked out by the peat covering the bodies and the usual process of decay was brought to a standstill. In 91 of the skulls even the soft tissue of the brain material was present, offering a rare opportunity for analysis and easy DNA tests. It is very likely that the locals realized at the time that this pond preserved bodies and vegetation very well and used it as a burial site for over a thousand years.

What was Learned?

Out of the 168 individuals who were recovered by the researchers 67 were younger than 17 years of age. They were placed into the shallow graves 7,000 to 8,000 years BP. (Before Present) A high mortality rate for children is normal for a prehistoric tribal society. The bodies were often covered with woven fabric varying from coarse matting to fine weave. Weaving skills were generally spread out to the whole of the North American continents at the time; there are countless items to show this. The bodies were often held to the shallow bottom with wooden stakes driven through the fabric covering the bodies. The stakes most likely also served as markers, their tops were visible above the water at the time of the burial. There was an orderly placement of the bodies where prior burials were not disturbed by the newly arriving bodies. Floral seeds, sometimes intermixed with finely ground fish bone were often found next to the bodies. These people were buried with flowers and often with their favorite tools and toys. The artifacts recovered from the graves were made of bones, antler, animal teeth, stones and shells. A wooden atlatl (spear-thrower) handle was fastened with glue into position. Feminine items were exclusively associated with female burials: Incised bird bone tubes, polished bone pins and beads made of drilled fish vertebra. Males were buried with carnivore radius awls, antler atlatl spurs and hooks. Canine and shark teeth were used for making engraving and cutting tools. A two year old girl was buried with a set of drilled shell toys. Very few stone tools were located; stone was brought from the mountains, eighty miles away. A four year old was buried with deer bone and palm seed beads. A newborn child was buried together with an eleven year old, they had one of the highest number of associated items buried with them. An antler tool showed internal works resembling threading to ensure a tight fit for a handle. Barbed projectile points were often found with adhesives still visible. Projectile points were also made of antler.

Different hand-woven fabrics made of many different materials of great varieties were recovered showing sophisticated weaving techniques. These people did obviously not spend their time by watching Hollywood melodramas and filling out IRS forms. This activity is consistent in America and all over the world connecting together ancient White cultures. Special technology had to be developed for preserving pieces of these fabric samples as they immediately decomposed after drying. Similar fabric was also found in the Black Desert area in western Nevada (9,000BP.) The spread of waving techniques and tool making in Europe and Asia are tying together cultures and people with America. We can actually follow this process taking place in the archaic period just like we can follow the spread of Solutrean tools into America in the Clovis period.

The Solutrean culture originating from the south of France closely ties in with the later American Clovis culture. Sophisticated thin, bifacial, razor sharp spear points made by these two cultures made it possible for these Stone Age tribes to face off the largest beasts of their times like woolly mammoth, bison and grizzly bears. The spear points they created with great expertise compared to the stone tools of the Neanderthal like an AK-47 rifle to a sling. They elevated these modern stone-age tribes to the top of the food chain and ensured their spread and continuous survival.

The Windover Society

The Windover population is the earliest large enough population group where statistical conclusions can be drawn concerning life expectancy. We have all indications that these people had ample food resources around, living off hunting/gathering/fishing and were not forced to live a nomadic lifestyle. The area at the time was a wooded marshland. Their teeth were worn heavily but had very few cavities, a testimony to the advantage of living without fluoride and refined sugar products. The total group of 168 individuals included 40 adult males and 43 adult females. A Windover child at birth could expect to live around 27 to 30 years on the average but if he/she made it to age 25 he could have expected another 22 years to stay alive. Some individuals were living to be into their sixties and two out of the 168 made it to 75 years. Women in their early childbearing years were at greater risk of dying because of the associated risks with child delivery but after the age of 25 their life expectancy was about the same as men’s.

Windover certainly was a humane society. A child who died at 15 had spinal bifida, most likely he was paralyzed from the waist down and was living with the loss of one of his feet where the stump healed, it was not a small effort to sustain him. Children were buried with more tools and toys than adults, indicating their relative high social value.

Life was often getting rough for the group. Interestingly females suffered broken limbs and hands far more often than males. Males had 16 cases of broken skull and facial bones while females had none. One man had a deeply embedded antler projectile point in his hipbone.

After recovering over ten thousand bones and hundreds of tools the site was returned to the original condition to the credit of the team working there in 1987. Half of the site was left undisturbed for future generations of scientists.

Who were the People of Windover?

Through the three years of excavation the team managed to keep the issue of race out of all communications with great discipline. Had they committed only a single mistake of “political incorrectness” the richly funded project would have run into a concrete wall and the flow of funds would have been stopped. We were many years before the discovery of the Kennewick Man skeleton of 1996 when Dr. James C. Chatters, a local anthropologist in Kennewick, WA wrote down his first visual observations about Kennewick Man:

The skull was immediately European-like; long, narrow, very constricted
behind eyes with a very prominent nose. I immediately got the impression I
was dealing with a European—probably an early Kennewick pioneer. I had no idea where this story was going at that point. The skull, the bridge of the nose is very prominent, the skull very narrow, recedes to the back—the kind I had only seen among the people of western Eurasia. Very long limbs, his lower limb segments quite long compared to the upper; and American Indians tend to be quite the opposite. They’re short limbed. We’ve got this paradox—Stone-Age object in European man [sic], after the carbon dating reports were in.

Dr. Chatters was making his observation without the benefit of DNA tests, just like all anthropologists did for hundreds of years before. Needless to say that the feds immediately came down on Dr. Chatters, confiscated the bones and dutifully handed them over to the local Indian tribes. The event was followed with an everlasting court battle that is still not a closed case. I wrote a very detailed article about the discovery and fate of Kennewick Man in the March/April 2004 issue of TBR. That article is going deep into the political manipulations and the financial interests behind the struggle for the identity of the ancient Americans.

Professor Doran’s team at Windover had the advantage of operating in the pre-NAGPRA (Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act) environment, NAGPRA became a law later in 1990. Extreme care was given by the team to avoid the introduction of race issue into the excavations. Windover must be the most politically correct (PC) archeological event of America. Professor Doran did not publish a single skull image out of the 168 skulls he found at Windover. Five years after finishing the excavations Doran published his book in 2002: Windover Multidisciplinary Investigations of an Early Archaic Florida Cemetery. The book is an extremely valuable detailed collection of the information recovered, printed in large format on 393 pages. However, all images are of extremely poor quality and not a single image was printed of a human skull.
In fact Doran might be the first anthropologist on this planet who managed to write a book where in the indexing the word “skull” is not present. Maybe he has some sort of deep seated childhood fear of human skulls after hearing too many pirate stories…

The Brevard Museum of History and Natural Science, Fl. - with a dedicated section to Windover - has not a single image or a fully visible human skull displayed on their website or in their exhibition. The hundreds of scientific publications contain incredible details on the cavities and condition of every single tooth of the 168 individuals recovered, images of every single tool, fabric piece, etc. but not a single image of a skull. Also the average height of the Windover population is dramatically taller than the Indian population of the area but it is difficult to get exact data.

This writer – after extensive search – was able to find a single photograph of a skull probably made right after recovery at the site with an amateur camera.
It is most likely that Professor Doran forbade the taking of pictures at the site for all participants.

The only close up image of a skull located from Windover. The skull was cut open to remove the brain tissue. From:

The documentation and proper scientific measurements of skulls is extremely important, a critical component in anthropological studies. The lack of this data – topped with the lack of proper connected DNA research – is a clear indication of an organized attempt to cover up the racial identities of the Windover population. Anthropologists traditionally use the method of multivariate analysis to establish racial identity based on skull measurements. For example Professor Jose Garcia from Spain used sophisticated instrumentation to take 90 different measurements of each of 33 skulls he found in the South of Baja, California Sur of the Pericu people and proved that they were not part of the Amerindian population but late survivors of a racially different group. The last members of this group died in the early 20th century.

Prof. Doran was asked by this writer in an email for images of skulls and related statistical data from Windover in February of 2006, and he replied with a long list of studies. There was one single item there that has been dedicated to the issue – and it has never been published, nor can Donna Fried, the writer be located. While writing this article in September of 2010 I sent similar requests to Professor Doran and the Brevard Museum again and I did not receive a reply.
Fried, Donna, 2000 A study of intrapopulation variation of the Windover site (8BR246) using multivariate analysis of craniometrics. Unpublished Masters thesis, Florida State University, Tallahassee.

Professor Jose Garcia’s chart, the skulls of the Pericu people
Even before these methods were developed an experienced anthropologist could easily segregate skulls of different races by simple visual examination, the differences are so obvious.

For example, Buhl Woman who was found in a rock quarry in Buhl Idaho, in 1989, died in her teenage years about 11,000 years ago. No study was done before she was reburied by the Shoshone Bannock tribes in 1991 based on the NAGPRA rules. Based on photographic evidence Dr. Douglas W. Owsley has calculated the skull’s dimensions and concluded that she had no relation to the Indian population. Dr. Owsley is a top U.S. specialist, a division head for the Physical Anthropology, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution. Dr. Owsley was the one who initiated the suit to protect Kennewick Man’s skeleton from “repatriation” with a group of other scientists, risking his own position in the process and was successful with the suit. Dr. Owsley also established – after simple visual examination of the skulls – that five skeletons recovered from the Jamestown Colony were not “native Americans” as originally thought but of African, Negroid origin.

The DNA Evidence

Professor Doran dedicated 14 pages and numerous pictures, tables of his book to the methods and studies of the DNA of the Windover people. His final conclusion is:

“Since the haplogroup frequency distribution of the prehistoric Windover population is unlike that of any known surviving or prehistoric group, they may represent the only demonstrated instance of the recent extinction of a group of Native Americans with no close surviving relatives.”

And that is a very tricky sentence, spoken like a true Talmudic scholar.
However he is still calling the Bog People “Native Americans” who have no close relatives hanging around today in America. He is trying to state that members of a different race were living at Windover, he is just not allowed to use the word “race.”

Dr. Joseph Lorenz from Coriell Institute for Medical Research was also searching hard for the DNA markers typical of “Native Americans” in the DNA samples taken from the bones of five individuals from Windover. He did not find what he was looking for but he did not stop. After comparing the Windover DNA to present European people’s he said:

“I went back to the screen and I looked at the sequences again, the first person’s DNA it looked European. When I looked at the second one it looked European. When I looked at the third, fourth and fifth it was slightly different from the first two but they looked European.”
The video clip where Dr. Lorenz makes his statement, see video above.

The Learning Channel had a program titled “Secrets of the Bog People: Windover” where Dr. Gregory from Cornell also stated that DNA samples taken from the brains of the Bog People show European origin.
In reality DNA found at Windover is probably sufficient in quality to allow the cloning of a human, to exactly duplicate a member of that tribe and bring him to life. He would be seamlessly fitting into any large European city and would have all the mental and physical faculties of an average White person of our times.

How did the Windover people die out?

Was it an orgy of mass extermination by the incoming Mongoloid population that we call today “Native Americans” or did they simply lack the immunity to fight off infections carried to them by the newcomers? The answer is most likely found in the four state border area of New Mexico in the Chaco Culture National Historical Park where the Anasazi people lived – and died between AD 900 and AD 1150. Chaco Canyon was a major population center with additional settlements in the area. They constructed their buildings from artfully shaped sandstone blocks even five stories high with 660 rooms that reflected many generations of astronomical observations and centuries of highly skilled construction activity. They built 75 settlements connected with roads taking up around a 40,000 square miles area. The road system was made clearly visible on satellite images. Not exactly a typical social development path followed by Indian tribes. There is rich Indian oral tradition and strong forensic evidence as well showing that these people were systematically exterminated by the Navahos who moved into the area. The book Man Corn: Cannibalism and Violence in the Prehistoric American Southwest was written by two archeologists: Christy G. Turner and Jacqueline A. Turner. They write about Chopped-up human bones with marks indicating systematic cutting and scraping, suggesting that groups of people were killed and butchered, the meat carefully cut away at the tendons and roasted. Long bones halved and boiled to extract the marrow. Skulls, their tops removed like lids, placed on hearths and cooked. Brains removed. Amélie A. Walker "A Case for Cannibalism," ARCHAEOLOGY, January/February 1994 also documents similar events in the very same area.
The same fate fell upon the Lovelock Culture People in Northern Nevada who were exterminated by local Indian tribes.
“Shortly after the Anasazi were exterminated from the globe, the Nordic symbol for life strangely appeared upon the headdresses of the local Indian population.”

The extermination of the Anasazi:

The Life Rune is an ancient European symbol signifies life, creation, birth, rebirth, and renewal.

Vero Beach Florida

The latest archeological sensation in Florida is Vero Man and the area he was found. Vero Man’s skull was located in Vero Beach in 1915 in the company of a number of ice-age animal bones that were dated to 12,000 to 13,000 years BP. Although the skull was damaged and disappeared while traveling back and forth between Florida and the Smithsonian the area yielded countless archeological items in the last hundred years. The most important might be: “the oldest, most spectacular and rare work of art in the Americas.” A local man found an ancient bone etched with a clear image of a mammoth or mastodon. The item was verified as authentic by a scientist. Needless to say it is Professor Doran who will lead the planned excavations. Dr. Barbara Purdy, professor emerita of Anthropology at the University of Florida: “Never before in the Western Hemisphere, has there been a bone from an extinct species incised with a recognizable picture of an animal,”

TBR is planning to trace the disappeared ancient European population of America, state by state with a new article in every issue. Help us in this project, donate to TBR. You can order the 2004 March/April issues and read the article about Kennewick Man by calling TBR or visiting our website at:

Glen H. Dornan: Windover Multidisciplinary Investigations of an Early Archaic Florida, 2002, ISBN 0-8130-2510-9
Bernd Herrmann, Susanne Hummel: Ancient DNA, ISBN 0-387-94308-0

GEORGE KADAR is an amateur archeologist and he is systematically visiting archeological sites and museums in order to learn about the true identity and life of America’s ancient population. He is already collecting information from the whole of the North American continent and will write articles in the future about all U.S. states. In case if you have knowledge in your own state about skeletons hidden in the closets of small museums or handed over to Indian tribes please write to him directly at: [email protected]
Old December 3rd, 2010 #2
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Good post, love this stuff.
Old December 3rd, 2010 #3
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It's quite amazing, Europeans travelling over the Atlantic ice shelf.

Makes the Asians crossing the Bearing Straits "land bridge" quite... underwhelming.
Old December 17th, 2010 #4
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It's really fucking irritating how they play that spook music almost all the way through part VI about Windover people. Consciously think about that while you're watching it, and you'll see how utterly unconnected to the subject matter the background noise is.
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From the nature of the prolonged confrontation and the social structure the Anasazi built it is easy to conclude that they were a White group.
There are desperate and obvious cover ups everywhere in the well controlled, establishment paid world of archeology. We are actually getting to the point where we soon will be able to kick this control over.
The only question to me is: Was the Anasazi a completely White society attacked from the outside or did they operate their large country and agriculture with Indian slaves who revolted against them.
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Default An Invitation for Senor Valdez

Originally Posted by N.M. Valdez View Post
The genetic evidence posted refutes any myth of a pre-Indian euro presence in the Americas. As mentioned, the evolutionary mutation in melanin content that produced light skin pigmentation probably had not even occurred at the time these continents were initially populated.
Our resident injun – Senor Valdez - states that there were no White Men in America before the arrival of the Vikings.
On the other hand he refuses to come here and face the White Man to receive his lessons on the subject. He is trolling around all over, avoiding the proper place to face those who taught him the use of the wheel, firearms and fiery water.

Question No 1 to Senor Valdez: Do you believe the magic of carbon dating and DNA analysis to be true and real or do you think they are evil lies to control the minds of poor dispossessed injuns?

[Huck describes an Indian attack on Peggy and her brothers]
I heard a trampling like a lot of horses, and when it got pretty near, I see that other Injun coming on a pony, and driving the other ponies and all our mules and horses ahead of him, and he let off a long wild whoop, and the minute he done that, the Injun that had a gun, the one that Peggy fixed, shot her father through the head with it and scalped him, another one tomahawked her mother and scalped her and then these two grabbed Jim and tied his hands together, and the other two grabbed Peggy, who was screaming and crying, and all of them rushed off with her and Jim and Flaxy, and as fast as I run, and as far as I run, I could still hear her, till I was a long, long ways off.

Senor Valdez as political activist

Senor Valdez argues with White Men from a distance

Old October 20th, 2016 #7
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Default The real reason for the "Cover up"

The real reason for the cover up that has been mentioned so much in this thread is not because the Smithsonian wants to hide that the original (or at least ancient) Americans were caucasian, but because they were of African (Negroid) stock. The truth is that the entire globe was populated by people from Africa over 100k years ago. America was "discovered" by migrations that took place very early, just like every other continent. Think about it: why would there be a coverup to withhold an early American discovery by Europeans? If that narrative was true, they would have been proud to make that information available for a number of reasons, both political and social. What has been hidden, is that a number of people today that identify themselves as African American are actually descended from that ancient stock.

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