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Old December 9th, 2004 #1
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A Statement from Randy Evans - United States Penitentiary

But First a Word from John Gerhardt

There have been falsehoods circulating about what some of us call a movement trying to induce racialists to accept back in known traitor & informant Glen Miller. There are those who were around in the 80's when the Ft Smith trials took place, at which Richard Butler, Louis Beam, Bob Miles & the Order prisoners were defendants. Miller was one of the star witnesses against the defendants. Those who were around then & KNOW what happened, & tell you different are plain lying to you. When a so-called "leader" endorses a known traitor & informant, just what is he endorsing & supporting ? Isn't he endorsing & supporting ratting on fellow racialists & working with ZOG to try to put racialists in prison ? If you want to continue to support such a "leader," aren't you then supporting that "leader's" endorsement of ratting out fellow racialists & helping ZOG try to imprison fellow racialists? Have you considered what messages this is sending out ?

1, to traitors & informants, past, current or future, the message you send is, go ahead & be an informant. That's OK. No only will nothing serious happen to you. but when ZOG finishes rewarding you, come on back, we'll reward you, too.

2, to political prisoners, well, you're in there, the informant is out here where he can help sell my papers or whatever. What did you say your name was again? You should have figured it out by now, but we never really cared about you any way, so sit in there & rot while we welcome those who betrayed you. Screw you.

3, to everyone else, the question, just how weak, how stupid, how morally bankrupt, how worthless has a so-called "movement" become to allow something like this to happen ? Who would want to support something like that ? By the way, all of you love to run around spouting "14 Words," the author of those 14 Words, David Lane, was one of the Ft Smith defendants against who Miller testified. Randy Evans, one of "The Order" prisoners & also a member of CLA, submitted his statement in affidavit form, which I now share with you below. Those of you with your own e-mail lists & websites should also share this with your readers. Those who don't, the question will be, why ? Do you endorse & support known traitors & informants, or are you a fake & phony lets pretend racialist, or a moral coward ? I will include Randy's address at the bottom, after the affidavit.

John W Gerhardt
Christian Legal Association
P.O. Box 713
Johnstown, Ohio 43031

STATEMENT OF ORDER PRISONER RANDY EVANS ON THE TRAITOR & INFORMANT GLEN MILLER & ON THOSE PRETENDING TO STILL BE WHITE "LEADERS" WHILE OPENLY SUPPORTING KNOWN TRAITORS & INFORMANTS



I, Randall Evans, upon the blood of my ancestors and the Evans name do hereby state the following:

1) That I was convicted as a member of the Order.

2) that Glen Miller, formerly of the Klan in North Carolina, testified against Pastor Butler, Pastor Robert Miles, Louis Beam, my co-defendants Richard Scutari, Bruce Pierce, Andrew Barnhill, David Lane and others during a sedition trial in Ft Smith, Arkansas during the late 1980's.

3) That to make this perfectly clear Glen Miller was a government witness that did his best to put the foregoing persons into prison, although some were already incarcerated (my co-defendants & me).

4) That at no time has Glen Miller helped any of my co-defendants nor me since he became a government witness, agent, informant, otherwise known as a "RAT."

5) That let it be known that from my and others perspectives, "birds of a feather flock together," and anyone associating with, promoting, allowing into their organizations in any capacity in any form whatsoever must also be considered a government RAT to be BANISHED and OSTRACIZED from the honorable of our Race. "A RAT is a RAT--A FRIEND of a RAT is a RAT."

6) That only a fool would allow a known rat amongst their ranks in lieu of past white separatist history wherein our people have been victims of COINTELPRO type operations such as Ruby Ridge and many more. This goes for any RAT out there amongst our ranks and those that associate with same.

Signed on the 2nd Day of December, 2004,

Randall Evans

To write to Randy Evans, for at least a month until his pending transfer, he may be reached at:

Randy Evans 09882-016
United States Penitentiary - Atwater
P.O. Box 019001
Atwater, California 95301




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Old December 9th, 2004 #2
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A Statement from Randy Evans - United States Penitentiary

But First a Word from John Gerhardt

There have been falsehoods circulating about what some of us call a movement trying to induce racialists to accept back in known traitor & informant Glen Miller. There are those who were around in the 80's when the Ft Smith trials took place, at which Richard Butler, Louis Beam, Bob Miles & the Order prisoners were defendants. Miller was one of the star witnesses against the defendants. Those who were around then & KNOW what happened, & tell you different are plain lying to you. When a so-called "leader" endorses a known traitor & informant, just what is he endorsing & supporting ? Isn't he endorsing & supporting ratting on fellow racialists & working with ZOG to try to put racialists in prison ? If you want to continue to support such a "leader," aren't you then supporting that "leader's" endorsement of ratting out fellow racialists & helping ZOG try to imprison fellow racialists? Have you considered what messages this is sending out ?

1, to traitors & informants, past, current or future, the message you send is, go ahead & be an informant. That's OK. No only will nothing serious happen to you. but when ZOG finishes rewarding you, come on back, we'll reward you, too.

2, to political prisoners, well, you're in there, the informant is out here where he can help sell my papers or whatever. What did you say your name was again? You should have figured it out by now, but we never really cared about you any way, so sit in there & rot while we welcome those who betrayed you. Screw you.

3, to everyone else, the question, just how weak, how stupid, how morally bankrupt, how worthless has a so-called "movement" become to allow something like this to happen ? Who would want to support something like that ? By the way, all of you love to run around spouting "14 Words," the author of those 14 Words, David Lane, was one of the Ft Smith defendants against who Miller testified. Randy Evans, one of "The Order" prisoners & also a member of CLA, submitted his statement in affidavit form, which I now share with you below. Those of you with your own e-mail lists & websites should also share this with your readers. Those who don't, the question will be, why ? Do you endorse & support known traitors & informants, or are you a fake & phony lets pretend racialist, or a moral coward ? I will include Randy's address at the bottom, after the affidavit.

John W Gerhardt
Christian Legal Association
P.O. Box 713
Johnstown, Ohio 43031

STATEMENT OF ORDER PRISONER RANDY EVANS ON THE TRAITOR & INFORMANT GLEN MILLER & ON THOSE PRETENDING TO STILL BE WHITE "LEADERS" WHILE OPENLY SUPPORTING KNOWN TRAITORS & INFORMANTS



I, Randall Evans, upon the blood of my ancestors and the Evans name do hereby state the following:

1) That I was convicted as a member of the Order.

2) that Glen Miller, formerly of the Klan in North Carolina, testified against Pastor Butler, Pastor Robert Miles, Louis Beam, my co-defendants Richard Scutari, Bruce Pierce, Andrew Barnhill, David Lane and others during a sedition trial in Ft Smith, Arkansas during the late 1980's.

3) That to make this perfectly clear Glen Miller was a government witness that did his best to put the foregoing persons into prison, although some were already incarcerated (my co-defendants & me).

4) That at no time has Glen Miller helped any of my co-defendants nor me since he became a government witness, agent, informant, otherwise known as a "RAT."

5) That let it be known that from my and others perspectives, "birds of a feather flock together," and anyone associating with, promoting, allowing into their organizations in any capacity in any form whatsoever must also be considered a government RAT to be BANISHED and OSTRACIZED from the honorable of our Race. "A RAT is a RAT--A FRIEND of a RAT is a RAT."

6) That only a fool would allow a known rat amongst their ranks in lieu of past white separatist history wherein our people have been victims of COINTELPRO type operations such as Ruby Ridge and many more. This goes for any RAT out there amongst our ranks and those that associate with same.

Signed on the 2nd Day of December, 2004,

Randall Evans

To write to Randy Evans, for at least a month until his pending transfer, he may be reached at:

Randy Evans 09882-016
United States Penitentiary - Atwater
P.O. Box 019001
Atwater, California 95301




THE CHURCH OF THE SONS OF YHVH P.O. BOX 165 CALHOUN, LOUISIANA 71225
 
Old December 9th, 2004 #3
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Ok - what is the purpose of your post??? The Glenn Miller matter has been talked about here at VNNF until no one wants to talk about it anymore. It's been done. It's over.

I suggest that the post be moved to the Chutzpah [now called Nutzpah] area of the forum.




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Old December 9th, 2004 #4
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Speak for yourself. Glenn Miller has had a thousand opportunities to run his mouth and tell his side - THE ORDER MEMBERS DESERVE NO LESS!

This post doesn't belong in Nutzpah it is exactly where it belongs. You seem to be afraid of something having it posted here.

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Ok - what is the purpose of your post??? The Glenn Miller matter has been talked about here at VNNF until no one wants to talk about it anymore. It's been done. It's over.

I suggest that the post be moved to the Chutzpah [now called Nutzpah] area of the forum.




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Old December 9th, 2004 #5
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Speak for yourself. Glenn Miller has had a thousand opportunities to run his mouth and tell his side - THE ORDER MEMBERS DESERVE NO LESS!

This post doesn't belong in Nutzpah it is exactly where it belongs. You seem to be afraid of something having it posted here.


VNNF does not exist to re-argue the Miller matter over and over and over and over again.

If you don't like Miller, why post at VNNF? Maybe you should find another forum.

And, have you ever been banned from VNNF before?


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Old December 9th, 2004 #6
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This is the FIRST opportunity that Randy Evans has had to make his case. His letter is written on Dec. 2, 2004, so it is timely and appropriate. IF this is a "forum" then he has every right to be heard.

I didn't know that liking Miller was a requirement to post on this forum. Where is that rule? Please direct me to it. Do you only want preaching to the choir? And wtf do you think you are anyway? You are one person on this forum...I didn't know that you had been appointed watch dog and here to make up rules that suit you.

Don't be so afraid of free and open speech little man.

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VNNF does not exist to re-argue the Miller matter over and over and over and over again.

If you don't like Miller, why post at VNNF? Maybe you should find another forum.

And, have you ever been banned from VNNF before?


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Old December 9th, 2004 #7
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This is the FIRST opportunity that Randy Evans has had to make his case. His letter is written on Dec. 2, 2004, so it is timely and appropriate. IF this is a "forum" then he has every right to be heard.

I didn't know that liking Miller was a requirement to post on this forum. Where is that rule? Please direct me to it. Do you only want preaching to the choir? And wtf do you think you are anyway? You are one person on this forum...I didn't know that you had been appointed watch dog and here to make up rules that suit you.

Don't be so afraid of free and open speech little man.

Say....your name isn't.....Gunter88, is it?



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Old December 9th, 2004 #8
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No. Say your name isn't ASSHOLE is it?

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Old December 9th, 2004 #9
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No. Say your name isn't ASSHOLE is it?

Mods, can you check Skunk's IP number against Gunter88's?



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Old December 9th, 2004 #10
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WTF do you think you are little man? Gee I don't know how VNNF has survived so long without you! I have no idea who Gunter88 is but you seem to have a hang up about him.

BTW you didn't answer my questions little man:

Where is the rule written that you must "like" Glenn Miller to post on VNNF?

WTF put you in charge of making up the rules?

You are a pathetic peon and an idiot!

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Old December 9th, 2004 #11
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Gee I don't know how VNNF has survived so long without you!

I sometimes wonder about that myself. But luckily, I am here to help VNNF through the difficult times by using my charm, my intellect, my good looks, and...uh...let's see...what else?...oh, yes: my secret recipe for tuna casserole.


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Old December 9th, 2004 #12
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You are a small man with a small mind and no doubt a small penis for which you attempt to compensate for by your display here of petty authority - of which you have none in reality. People like you are a dime a dozen and worth about that much. You offer nothing to VNNF or anything else for that matter. In the real racist world you would last 5 minutes if that. Better stick to police dogging this forum - that's all you and your ilk will ever be good for. Now go away and play with your toys little man.

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I sometimes wonder about that myself. But luckily, I am here to help VNNF through the difficult times by using my charm, my intellect, my good looks, and...uh...let's see...what else?...oh, yes: my secret recipe for tuna casserole.


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Old December 9th, 2004 #13
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You are a small man with a small mind and no doubt a small penis for which you attempt to compensate for by your display here of petty authority - of which you have none in reality. People like you are a dime a dozen and worth about that much. You offer nothing to VNNF or anything else for that matter. In the real racist world you would last 5 minutes if that. Better stick to police dogging this forum - that's all you and your ilk will ever be good for. Now go away and play with your toys little man.

Does that mean that we can't be friends??? Just for that, I'm not going to send you my recipe for tuna casserole.


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Old December 9th, 2004 #14
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RE: Brother John Gerhardt & Brother Randy Evans

We are fully aware of the accusations, as we’ve heard of them many times and for a couple of months we went through much blood-letting and soul searching hashing it out among ourselves on this forum. The posts are still here for your review.

At great length and in much detail, Glenn Miller gave us very plausible explanations for the occurrences that you are talking about and most have agreed to let the past go and try to build toward the future.

We realize that is easy for us to say, as we were not involved in that terrible situation many years ago, and we feel deeply for those dear Brothers who suffer incarceration and who believe in their hearts that they were betrayed. There is nothing that this humble writer can say to make that right or to change the past.

And we can also feel for a Brother who has been caught in an unfortunate position where he must choose between his wife and children and those in the movement.

This forum is owned and operated by Alex Linder, and most of us come here because of Alex and the quality of the contributing writers. Many of us are also involved in the distribution of VNN’s tabloid, The Aryan Alternative.(AA) The AA is a revolutionary concept that many of us are very excited about and Glenn Miller has a key role in helping with the distribution efforts.

I personally believe that the AA is a quantum leap for our movement as it brings together the power and scope of the internet with the power of Linder’s writing and editing expertise. This combination of power has never been brought to bear against zog and I’m certain that this will have a major impact for the good of the White race.

The opportunity to build the AA is bigger then any one person and more important then the personal conflicts between several individuals from decades gone by. Our movement will not get ahead by looking back. Zog rejoices when we fight among ourselves for any reason.

If it’s any consolation, your warnings have been heard and not ignored. You have given us the “heads-up”, and we have learned from your experience. I am certain that we nor Glenn Miller will ever again allow ourselves to be put in a situation where we are made to choose between our family or a Brother.

Yours Sincerely,

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Old December 9th, 2004 #16
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They are not "accusations" they are FACTS. You are in no position to forgive Glenn Miller his past deeds as you were not harmed by them. As for the AA - The NA puts out a much more professional looking and content publication - in magazine format and has for years, National Vanguard Magazine, and Resistance Magazine for the music side. Both of these publications are awesome! Tom Metzger has put out a W.A.R. Tabloid for decades which goes into nearly every prison and every nation in the world.

The AA is nothing new and it resembles something I worked on in high school... it's nothing unique and it's not going to cause a landslide of lemmings to become good little WN's. Even here on your own turf Miller has only been able to brow-beat and harass about 50 people to jump on his nefarious bandwagon. The WN's that I know were disgusted by the SHIT MAGNET article. It's pulp trash and nothing more.

People shouldn't be surprised when they bed down with a controversial figure like Glenn Miller to encounter constant opposition. IMHO Linder made a fatal error by associating the VNN Tabloid with Miller. Well, actually, it was Millers brainchild and without him there would be no Tabloid - so the whole enterprise is built upon a shady and shaky foundation that will always be associated with Informant Miller and will never be able to withstand the scrutiny of current active "real" WN's. The only hope for it is new blood and bringing new blood into the movement is harder than pulling teeth - so all I can say re. the AA is good luck next time!




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RE: Brother John Gerhardt & Brother Randy Evans

We are fully aware of the accusations, as weíve heard of them many times and for a couple of months we went through much blood-letting and soul searching hashing it out among ourselves on this forum. The posts are still here for your review.

At great length and in much detail, Glenn Miller gave us very plausible explanations for the occurrences that you are talking about and most have agreed to let the past go and try to build toward the future.

We realize that is easy for us to say, as we were not involved in that terrible situation many years ago, and we feel deeply for those dear Brothers who suffer incarceration and who believe in their hearts that they were betrayed. There is nothing that this humble writer can say to make that right or to change the past.

And we can also feel for a Brother who has been caught in an unfortunate position where he must choose between his wife and children and those in the movement.

This forum is owned and operated by Alex Linder, and most of us come here because of Alex and the quality of the contributing writers. Many of us are also involved in the distribution of VNNís tabloid, The Aryan Alternative.(AA) The AA is a revolutionary concept that many of us are very excited about and Glenn Miller has a key role in helping with the distribution efforts.

I personally believe that the AA is a quantum leap for our movement as it brings together the power and scope of the internet with the power of Linderís writing and editing expertise. This combination of power has never been brought to bear against zog and Iím certain that this will have a major impact for the good of the White race.

The opportunity to build the AA is bigger then any one person and more important then the personal conflicts between several individuals from decades gone by. Our movement will not get ahead by looking back. Zog rejoices when we fight among ourselves for any reason.

If itís any consolation, your warnings have been heard and not ignored. You have given us the ďheads-upĒ, and we have learned from your experience. I am certain that we nor Glenn Miller will ever again allow ourselves to be put in a situation where we are made to choose between our family or a Brother.

Yours Sincerely,

brutus
 
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Rounder said this after Panzerfaust was raided:

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Any WN witnessing any WN leader taking drugs or dealing in drugs, ought to turn his ass in to the cops anyway. That's not informing. That's not ratting. That's justice.
It is not honorable to welcome a known informant who testified against his own brothers. And it is clear that Miller has every intention of informing on WNs now and in the future. This is a fucking disgrace! How defective can this pathetic movement get?
 
Old December 9th, 2004 #18
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OH OK I get it MIller. Everyones a rat except you ehh. The men you refer to as "Order rats" are sitting the rest of their lives in prison and you a free man who testified against them have the nerve to call them rats. Crawl back under your rock Miller. I suspect that your pals here at VNN will never allow this to be posted. But the fact is you are the "rat" who runs free bad mouthing good men who will most likely spend the rest of their days in prison, you scum !
 
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A rat's excuse is "everyone else is doing it!" A rat is a rat is a rat.

You have never responded to my post about your recent activities.

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Any WN witnessing any WN leader taking drugs or dealing in drugs, ought to turn his ass in to the cops anyway. That's not informing. That's not ratting. That's justice.
If WNs are being raided lately I would naturally suspect it to be due to Miller who defends his right to rat as "justice." For all I know, perhaps it was you who ratted on Panzerfaust.
 
Old December 9th, 2004 #20
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Like almost everybody else. Randy Evans confuses the above ground with the below ground Movement. I was not a member of the Order. I was not one of them. I was simply an above ground leader, leading a legal WN organization, just like Duke, Fields, William Pierce, and others. I accepted stolen money in Sep 84 from The Order, before which I'd never met or even knew any of them.

Bruce Pierce was arrested in Mar 85, and immediately confessed to the feds, including the fact of my receiving stolen money.

David Lane, who came to me in Jan 85 and pleaded with me to help hide him out (and I did for two months), tried to make a deal with the Colorado Attorney General after his arrest in Apr 85, in exchange for not more than 6 years in prison.

In summer 85, another DOZEN Order members confessed and became government witnesses. (These undeniable facts are always conveniently ignored by my accusers).

Because of the above, in summer 85, I was guaranteed life in prison for (1) Harboring federal fugitives, (2) Accepting $200,000 in stolen money, (3) Helping David Lane hide out from the feds, and (4) Other racketeering charges in that RICO case. There were more than enough Order rats to guarantee my convictions.

By summer 85, because of the above FACTS and REALITIES, I had the honorable right THEN to plea bargain with the feds, to avoid life in prison.

Who among you all, will deny that?

Come on Skunk. Tell us what you would have done in my summer 1985 shoes.

But you won't. Nobody else has either during the 9 months I've been on this forum.

My plea bargain did not come for another 2 years in Nov 1987, after I'd built up the largest, most effective, and most ACTIVE WN organization on this continent; after that organization had been destroyed by Order rats; after I had been sentenced to prison; after a dozen Order members had ratted on me and two more tried to; after I'd lost my home and farm in NC; after I'd been exiled from the Movement by federal court order caused by Order rats; and after I took the only honorable course left to me - going underground and declaring war on ZOG.

I owe no one an apology for anything I did.

Sieg Heil !!!
No, you need to offer no apologies, Glenn. You have given a thorough, honest accounting of yourself and your actions 20 years ago. Consider the source of this latest round of criticism: a fellow named "skunk" (PU!) who quotes from the Xian Legal Association and the Church of the Sons of YHWH, not to mention his endorsement of the thoroughly corrupted "new" NA. This is the kind of fellow who likes the "new" NA. He has no idea how many people you recruited to the old NA through your book and distribution of Who Rules America? He's probably pissed because you have exposed his Xian "beliefs" as bullshit.

I think you are wrong, however, to say you'd turn anybody you see doing "drugs" into law enforcement. Does this include abusers of alcohol and tobacco and prescription drugs, or just hard street drugs? Or does this appy to meth labs and crack houses? I could go along with reporting the latter, except that you can't trust the courts to prosecute and lock these dregs of society away. White neighborhoods should police themselves of such scum without bringing in the authorities that will likely coddle them and "bargain" with them. Surely you don't mean an occasional smoker of herb or an occasional muncher of special recipe brownies, do you? If so you'd have to turn in a lot of otherwise "clean and sober" WNs and potential WNs. If there are really 30 million hemp-smokers in the U.S., as I've heard reported, a majority of whom are White, I imagine, you might want to reconsider your personal snitch policy regarding cannabis. These people are not our enemies anymore that White Xians are our enemies. They probably just need some purpose in their lives. You are the kind of man who can give it to them.
 
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