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Old November 19th, 2012 #241
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This is a Dick Morris-like spin. This bit celebrates the racial eclipse of whites in Texas. That's its sole purpose.

Even if these leftists clowns did support Texas seceding, and Texas did, and the whites in the newly independent state kicked out or suppressed the vote of browns, it is clear these Kos folks would support the US invading and kicking their ass - as you can see from what the person actually wrote. I guess you were counting on people not reading it. The person says, after Texas goes blue like Fla and Calif, it would rejoin the union, because only whites want to secede.

This is not serious support for secession, as you imply. You're simply drifing into fantasy.
 
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To me it's easy to see that he's chosen a new ideology that sweeps blame of jews and christianity under the rug, for the most part anyway. Probably to appeal to his christian/conservative friends where jew worship is common place.
 
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I don't know if you gentlemen plan to address the topic of 'economics', but I think it might be interesting if you all, at least briefly, outline respective economic positions for WNism, as well as ideas related to the US dollar, and finally, any ideas about funding the WN revolution, as this will undoubtedly be of import.
 
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I'd like to know how Brad is able to accuse Northerners of being nigger lovers, while at the same time makes excuses for having nonwhite friends and says that he judges people as individuals.
 
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I'd like to know how Brad is able to accuse Northerners of being nigger lovers, while at the same time makes excuses for having nonwhite friends and says that he judges people as individuals.
Christians think Jews are white.
 
Old November 19th, 2012 #246
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1) What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish by attacking Christianity the way that you do? Who is your audience for these criticisms?
Audience is thinking adults. I hope to reduce respect for the cult in general by demonstrating its impotence and delusionality, the jew-obsequiousness of its leaders, and the functional anti-Whiteness of its doctrines. I would like to see the cult disappear among the white race. Christianity is critized by jews for the wrong reasons, leading unthinking white men to think it must be basically good, just as WN foolishly assume same of Pat Buchanan because jews criticize him. Not so. The cult is a terrible thing - for reasons seldom given. I give those reasons, and I indicate how a race-firster were wise to treat the church, based on real-world evidence.

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The data shows atheism is on the rise. Religion is in retreat. Christianity is on the way out.
No, it isn't, not at all. Atheism isn't a belief. Comparing atheism and cults is apples and oranges. christianity will never disappear among whites until there is something demonstrably better standing right next to it showing it up. That something will be white-specific (as opposed to multicolored general). Atheism is merely disagreement with ONE PARTICULAR SPECIFIC ASSERTION. It is not a competing belief, let alone system. Since 'atheists' are smart enough to see through this one particular bogus assertion, whereas believers are not, they tend to be of higher intelligence. People of higher IQ go to college more than dummies. Where they get exposed to liberalism. And generally become more liberal. That's why 'atheists' who are not a group any more than people who don't believe in santa clause are a group are consistently found to be more liberal - because they're more intelligent, which entails more formal education which entails more liberalism - because like most people, seeing through one obvious lie - god doesn't guarantee they can see through more subtle ones. It just underlines how terrifically stupid, conformist and pathetic believers are. But always, avoiding one error in no way means one necessarily avoids others. There are infinite errors one could fall into.

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If a person is a WNist pagan or an atheist (like me), the person doesn't need convincing Christian theology poses problems for racialists. If a person is a generic Christian, or a Christian with racial sympathies, and they do in fact exist, it doesn't seem likely your critique will convince them to do anything different.
A christian with racial sympathies is confused and divided of mind, and needs the contradiction brought out so that he can decide which master to serve. And, BTW, as much ego as I use, I certainly don't expect adult males to bow before me and proclaim me their leader, I expect the power and form of my delivery to put a little doubt behind their facade. And they can think it over privately away and safe from my mocking, which is, yes, quite vicious and harsh.

Lock my views in your private interrogation room, white man. See if they break down like a nigger on The First 48. See if they hold up. I think I know what you'll find.

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2) Related: why is attacking Christianity important when Jews hold much of the real power in society, and to the extent white gentiles hold significant power in society, they are almost all secular liberal egalitarians who reject Christianity?
Those secular liberal egalitarians are almost all christians, in fact. It's important to attack christianity and conservatism because they are competitors for the minds and support we need for our cause. WN, coming from a Southern conservative background, have not understood this. This is why they freely mix these things. But that's not what will work. We must distinguish and elevate our racial cause by attacking conservatives as our enemy, as I advocate in my essay elsewhere. Not by mixing with it and drowning ourself in it. We must be intolerant in order to rise, in order to gain the strength to defeat the main enemy - not mushy. Smoothing over differences doesn't work. It's effeminacy. It allows our enemy, jews, to infiltrate and subvert us. It allows our enemy conservatives to steal our men and arguments and fundraising - without ever supporting our positions publicly (PERFECTLY parallel to a girl you would fuck but not introduce to your parents). It creates a gauzy haziness that leaves just WTF we are unclear in the public mind, hence boring and shruggable. If we don't know what we are and where we're going, who else will know or care? Yet this is exactly the case, and 90% of WN don't see any problem. Jared Taylor loves jews? Hey, that's A-OK. No problem, man. He's a good guy. One of us. WN who think like this are idiots. They are completely clueless politically. Their minds are cast wholly in the democratic pandering mold. Hey, guess what: the genocide of our kind is not a voting matter, and if you think it is, leave. You're too weak to help us.

Clarity, distinctions, principles, edges -- all these things that are foreign to folks who think that everyone EXCEPT THE PRINCIPLED ASSHOLES LIKE ME can get along fine under a big tent -- WHO BUT ME EVEN REMARKS THIS INCREDIBLE, TRULY INCREDIBLE IRONY? -- are fucking nuts. Macdonald is politically clueless. Greg Johnson is $$$-interested, and cuts his behavior by his prospects. Our new buddy Jethro inhabits personalities like a hermit crab shells. These don't get the job done. What does is shown by Golden Dawn, in Greece of all goddam places:

- real men under real names (99% of WN fall off)
- real men not afraid to name the jew and buck jew taboos (100% of conservatives and WHINOs fall off)
- real men not afraid to fight in the street
- real men who spend their time and money helping their people in thousand ways, providing all kinds of services for free, out of love and duty and responsibility

Our situation, in America, is not as desperate as in Greece. So people aren't looking so much for our leadeship. But if they were tomorrow, we wouldn't have anything prepared. And that's to our shame, and for the reasons I indicate - we are unwilling to define who we are, and figure out the principles we will back under our real names with our real lives.

This is not a game, just because we treat it like one.

Don't you think if there were some way to slick this, or clever it out, I would come up with it? I love those things. Even if I hate them, I appreciate their art, and admire them.

I'm telling you, there's not.

Our strength is in our Lawrence-Welkiness: direction by direction find, on the MAIN STRATEGY. You simply can't deny our arguments. Whites prove by their behavior they support our basic position: they, South AND North, want to live among other whites. And not be discriminated against because of their race. And not have the borders left open, and citizenship held cheap. And they want sexual normality, and just ordinary decency on tv, so you can actually watching something in the day or evening that you don't cringe every fucking five seconds if your parents or grandparents are in the room. Every fucking one of you knows exactly what I mean. This is the shit-kultur that jews have built - AND WE LET THEM. And you goddam jesus dick suckers have had 2,000 years to get your shit in order, and you have fucking failed. You are a big plate of stewed cats anuses to me, perhaps tasty to some imagination-free slant-eyed third-shift Kia employee, but unfit for human consumption. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY, YOU FUCKING JEBUS NUTHUGGERS. WE will clean up culture; you sad fags aren't woman enough for the job. I figuratively piss on the grave of your imaginary jewish science-fiction hero.

Just listen to the tone of the MacDonald, Johnson and Parrott conversation. The first two are professionally deformed, per the French expression. Incapable of inciting passion in people by nature of the discipline their background has required of them. Parrott I think has an inkling.

I wish you fags who presume to doubt me would read the Golden Dawn thread, and watch some of the videos. That's what's going on in WN. It's not some 90-yo jerkoff speaking in coded langauge to to old ladies, it's young men raising arms, flags, chants - roofs, as da niggers say. Figure it out. Jesus Christ, I am so fucking tired of being a remedial common sense teacher I could puke.

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Old November 19th, 2012 #247
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Oh boy. The guy persuades any normal man he's nuts within two lines. Utterly hopeless.
Mississippi and Alabama are the two most Christian states in America. I suppose you looked at the data and drew the conclusion that denouncing "christ-insanity" and advocating the extermination of the Jews is the way to get people to join the White Nationalist movement?

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In your ealier personas even you would have recognized this right off. Now, trapped as you are by your fake persona of christian conservative, you must play along that this man and league are serious.
I used to be an atheist.

Later, I came to realize through experience that atheists are even more far gone than Christians. They are less socially conservatives than Christians. They are more liberal than Christians. They are less "Jew-aware" than Christians. They are far less racially conscious than Christians.

White Nationalists are a tiny minority of atheists. The vast majority of atheists are raging liberals. Atheists are one of the few groups of Whites that Obama won decisively. Most atheists that I have known haven't been improved by their loss of Christianity.
 
Old November 19th, 2012 #248
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Jethro, the Jewish Talmud says that Jesus is boiling in Hell but I don't see your Southern Nationalists even opening up that line of attack against the Jews.

What are you saying? Criticism of the Jews gains no traction in the South?
 
Old November 19th, 2012 #249
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This is a Dick Morris-like spin. This bit celebrates the racial eclipse of whites in Texas. That's its sole purpose.
Chuck Thompson wrote a more elaborate book earlier this summer. He mentions OD in the book too. It was panned all over Daily Kos, Salon, Alternet and the other progressive websites.

The general sentiment there was that the South ought to be allowed to secede because that would allow the Left to more thoroughly dominate the North. Most progressives will tell you that they would be happy to see Mississippi or Alabama secede.

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Even if these leftists clowns did support Texas seceding, and Texas did, and the whites in the newly independent state kicked out or suppressed the vote of browns, it is clear these Kos folks would support the US invading and kicking their ass - as you can see from what the person actually wrote. I guess you were counting on people not reading it. The person says, after Texas goes blue like Fla and Calif, it would rejoin the union, because only whites want to secede.
The non-Whites are merely an instrument for the Left to build a coalition that is capable of dominating the federal government. If the South seceded from the Union, their future dominance would be assured and their non-Whites allies would lose their political importance.

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This is not serious support for secession, as you imply. You're simply drifing into fantasy.
No, I am simply saying that the Left was already discussing allowing the South to secede before the election:

Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession: Chuck Thompson: 9781451616651: Amazon.com: Books Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession: Chuck Thompson: 9781451616651: Amazon.com: Books
 
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You're delusional. These folks won't even let you choose who you rent a room to, or serve in your restaurant, and you think they're going to support secession for evil-racists-just-waiting-to-oppress-niggers?
That's not how secession would come about.

The South would secede from the United States. Then it would secure the border and dismantle the welfare state. The Left would quickly find out that the "Southern states" only looked dependent on the federal government (i.e., receive more in government benefits, pay more in taxes) because their black and Hispanic dependents in the South were totally dependent on the welfare state.

The South wouldn't have to start rounding up blacks to deport them to Africa. They would deport themselves to the Union where they could continue to live off welfare. The Yankees would no longer need the blacks to dominate the federal government and would be less concerned about them as a consequence.

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We have troops - disproportionately Southern, by the way - in 128 or so countries around the world, all there to enforce what they call 'democracy.' But they're going to let the hated South run free?
I've already pointed out that this is a stereotype. The majority of people in the military are not Southerners. BTW, if all these foreign wars have shown us anything, it is that the progressive Left has little stomach for war even in a volunteer army on the other side of the world. They're not going to fight a war themselves to "preserve the Union."

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And that goofy old coot Hill and his roiling mass of blue-rinsers is going to do something about them? One hardly knows where to begin. You ought to tour the north and talk to average people. You've talked yourself into some positions that are frankly ridiculous.
Why don't you implement your strategy in Kirksville? Why don't you denounce Christianity and conservatism in your own town? Let's see a successful demonstration of your strategy of denouncing Christianity and advocating the extermination of the Jews.
 
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I'd like to know how Brad is able to accuse Northerners of being nigger lovers, while at the same time makes excuses for having nonwhite friends and says that he judges people as individuals.
There is no contradiction between judging people as groups and judging them as individuals. Most people do this on instinct. In the real world, it is natural to have a group identity and a personal identity.
 
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To me it's easy to see that he's chosen a new ideology that sweeps blame of jews and christianity under the rug, for the most part anyway. Probably to appeal to his christian/conservative friends where jew worship is common place.
Why is that?

(1) Before most of the Jews even arrived in the United States, Yankees had armed 200,000 blacks to destroy the Confederacy, impeached President Johnson to make blacks into citizens, placed much of the South under black majority rule, and they had repealed all their own anti-miscegenation laws and integrated every state in the North.

Yes, I find that to be highly significant.

(2) Here in the South, the Southern Baptist Convention was THE LAST mainstream institution in the entire country to fall into line with the anti-white mainstream culture. They didn't figure out that "racism" was a sin until the mid-1990s.

Linder conveniently ignores the fact "racism" was coined by European and Jewish atheists. He ignores the fact that the Soviet Union - which was officially atheist - pushed "racism" into the mainstream through its tentacles in world communism.

He ignores the fact that it was the secular universities, not the churches, where this nonsense got started in America. It was secular intellectuals like John Dewey who fell the hardest for it in the 1930s and 1940s and who made "racism" taboo in the aftermath of the Second World War.

After "anti-racism" had triumphed in the universities and among the intelligentsia in the 1930s and 1940s, THEN other mainstream institutions began to fall in line with the new consensus. Every single mainstream institution has been infected by this disease and the churches were among the most resistant but for some reason Linder blames the churches instead of the secular intellectuals who spearheaded the movement.
 
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Every fucking one of you knows exactly what I mean. This is the shit-kultur that jews have built - AND WE LET THEM. And you goddam jesus dick suckers have had 2,000 years to get your shit in order, and you have fucking failed. You are a big plate of stewed cats anuses to me, perhaps tasty to some imagination-free slant-eyed third-shift Kia employee, but unfit for human consumption. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY, YOU FUCKING JEBUS NUTHUGGERS. WE will clean up culture; you sad fags aren't woman enough for the job. I figuratively piss on the grave of your imaginary jewish science-fiction hero.
Here's a reality check for Alex:

(1) You will never guess which state was the first to legalize gay marriage. It was Vermont which is the most secular, the most atheist, the least religious, and one of the least conservative states in America.

(2) The Jesus nuthuggers have gotten out of the way in the Northeast. They have gotten out of the way in Britain and Scandinavia. They certainly aren't standing in the way in San Francisco.

And the result? It is precisely those places where cultural degeneracy has been taken to its greatest extreme. It is precisely those places where cultural degeneracy is called "progress," not "worse is better."

Note: Admittedly, San Francisco is trying to ban public nudity:

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Until recently, officials generally had turned the other cheek to questions of public nudity — particularly when the sightings of sandal-clad men with all-body tans around the Castro district, the heart of gay San Francisco, were sporadic.

Then two years ago, when Jane Warner Plaza was dedicated at the intersection of Castro and Market streets, the number of Naked Guys grew. And so did the complaints, from gay men who live in the area and shop owners near the gathering spot eventually dubbed the "Buff Stop."

Wiener's attempt at regulation last year banned nudity in restaurants and established the outdoor seating guidelines. The goal was to bring a little civility back into the practice of urban nudism. Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect.

The number of nudists grew, Wiener said, and some apparently accessorized the usual shoes and sun hats with jewelry that cannot be described fully in a family newspaper.

Over the summer, Rob Cox, board secretary of the Castro/Eureka Valley Neighborhood Assn., and other community leaders canvassed business owners in the area. They asked how the influx of Naked Guys had affected commerce.

"Ninety percent of the business owners were furious," Cox said. "I had heard it a lot from neighbors too. So we passed that information on" to Wiener.
 
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by Comdr. George Lincoln Rockwell (U.S. Navy)

Most remarkable of all is the tremendous change which has occurred since last summer in the reactions of these college kids to NEGROES.

For years, I was plagued by the ignorance of Northerners on the subject of niggers - and the same kind of ignorance by many Southerners about Jews. They have plenty of niggers in the South, so the Southerners know about them. But they have few Jews, and the ones they have down South are usually "tame" Jews, utterly unlike the wild and hateful Hebrews swarming in the streets of the North and West.

At the same time, the Jew-wise "Yankees" in North and West never got CLOSE to any "coloreds", and knew almost nothing about them. Until the riots began.

Back in those days, whenever I went to jail in the North, the cops would privately say "You're doing a great job on the damned Jews, but why do you go after the 'colored'?" - as they used to call them.

Down South, cops would say "God bless you for the way you're fighting the niggers, but what have you got against the Jews?"
 
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A lot of high octane pipe-dreaming going on in this thread.

Then again, that isn't unusual for WN.
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Just in time for our debate ... Deval Patrick, the reelected negro governor of Massachusetts, has a Christmas present for illegal aliens in the Bay State:

Note: Don't hold your breath waiting for Thad Charles to launch a "White Revolution." Massachusetts has reniged twice now with Patrick and Obama.

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/...a4bcf887a.html

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BOSTON — Gov. Deval Patrick wants to allow some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates to attend state colleges and universities.

A senior administration official told The Associated Press that Patrick will send a letter to the state Board of Higher Education on Monday instructing schools to grant the resident tuition rate to illegal immigrants who obtain a work permit through a new federal program instituted by President Barack Obama. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the letter had not yet been delivered.

The Boston Globe first reported on the new program.
 
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I must confess I dislike the term "atheist" as its matter-of-factness in "no god" reveals a certitude which can only be matched by that of an ardent theist claiming the reverse.

Heaven forbid I incite BOTH parties, but both commit the same blunder in ignoring the wisdom encapsulated in socrates' eternal last words.

Although I'm partial to non believers, I personally prefer the term "agnostic" because I'm not absolutist in these matters, afteral, in order to be absolutely certain, one would first require absolute knowledge.

Im a big believer in the religion of natural laws. Much like WCOTC, though I'm not a member, and I really disaprove of christianity for many off the well known reasons
 
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Here's a reality check for Alex:

(1) You will never guess which state was the first to legalize gay marriage. It was Vermont which is the most secular, the most atheist, the least religious, and one of the least conservative states in America.

(2) The Jesus nuthuggers have gotten out of the way in the Northeast. They have gotten out of the way in Britain and Scandinavia. They certainly aren't standing in the way in San Francisco.

And the result? It is precisely those places where cultural degeneracy has been taken to its greatest extreme. It is precisely those places where cultural degeneracy is called "progress," not "worse is better."
Good fucking point. If Christianity is so tremendously opposed to WN'ism, then why is it that places where it's absent are also the places with the greatest amount of anti-White policies?

I think that what Alex misses is the fact that Christianity can be either a force for or against WN'ism. It was Martin Luther (a Christian) who said it's time to run the kikes out of Europe and burn down their synagogues. The South (Christ-Insaners as Alex would say) had segregation, until the semi-Christian north forced them to end it. If all I had to go by was this, I'd say that Christians have a far better record of dealing with the Jew/Nigger problem than the Atheists.

Oh, and Alex loves to poke fun at Christianity. Isn't criticizing any religion like taking candy from a baby? I mean, any religion is based on irrational beliefs. You can take any religion and pick it apart, it's the easiest debate in the world to win. Yeah, Jesus's father wasn't really God, it's just a big lie. Wow, you really won a big one there, Alex. Thanks for the info.

The way I look at it, Christianity can be either a force for or against WN'ism, depending on who's in charge of it. That's the irrational flexibility of it. If we had a Pope that said that niggers had the mark of Cain, and must be removed from our living space, then Christianity wouldn't be such an impediment, would it? But, right now, due to the leadership, the Church is anti-White.
 
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If by some miracle enough chaos comes about that a WN state actually gets going, the very first internal conflict will arise between Christians and Non-Believers over the Christians' desire to put Jesus in the Constitution.
 
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Good fucking point. If Christianity is so tremendously opposed to WN'ism, then why is it that places where it's absent are also the places with the greatest amount of anti-White policies?

I think that what Alex misses is the fact that Christianity can be either a force for or against WN'ism. It was Martin Luther (a Christian) who said it's time to run the kikes out of Europe and burn down their synagogues. The South (Christ-Insaners as Alex would say) had segregation, until the semi-Christian north forced them to end it. If all I had to go by was this, I'd say that Christians have a far better record of dealing with the Jew/Nigger problem than the Atheists.

Oh, and Alex loves to poke fun at Christianity. Isn't criticizing any religion like taking candy from a baby? I mean, any religion is based on irrational beliefs. You can take any religion and pick it apart, it's the easiest debate in the world to win. Yeah, Jesus's father wasn't really God, it's just a big lie. Wow, you really won a big one there, Alex. Thanks for the info.

The way I look at it, Christianity can be either a force for or against WN'ism, depending on who's in charge of it. That's the irrational flexibility of it. If we had a Pope that said that niggers had the mark of Cain, and must be removed from our living space, then Christianity wouldn't be such an impediment, would it? But, right now, due to the leadership, the Church is anti-White.
The problem is if Christianity is to be pro-White, it must necessarily engage in hypocrisy.
 
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