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For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw
See this is also a myth. Yanukovich was not 'pro Russian' he was simply a typical politician trying to get the best economic deal for Kiev by having one foot in Moscow and the other in Brussels. He wanted Ukraine to benefit most by being a kind of bridge between the two and getting the maximum amount of 'goodies' from both.

Of course Russia was not opposed to this however the US was, as according to them anything short of total cutting of ties with Moscow and getting Kiev into NATO was seen as a win for Putin.
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Do you know how many Serbs there are fighting for the separatists at this very moment? I've heard rumors of up until two battalions which would mean hundreds of soldiers. Is that really true?
 
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Pro-Russian rebels softened their demand for full independence Monday, saying they would respect Ukraine's sovereignty in exchange for autonomy a shift that reflects Moscow's desire to strike a deal at a new round of peace talks.


The insurgents' platform, released at the start of Monday's negotiations in Minsk, the Belarussian capital, represented a significant change in their vision for the future of Ukraine's eastern, mainly Russian-speaking region.


It remains unclear, however, whether the talks can reach a compromise amid the brutal fighting that has continued in eastern Ukraine. On Monday, the rebels pushed Ukrainian government forces from an airport near Luhansk, the second-largest rebel-held city, the latest in a series of military gains.


The peace talks in Minsk follow last week's meeting between President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart, Petro Poroshenko. The negotiations involve former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma; Russia's ambassador to Ukraine; an envoy from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and representatives of the rebels.
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What a strange war, indeed. DPR is being way too nice, capturing Kiev regime troops, them releasing them. Good way for DPR to get more weapons, but to turn enemy soldiers loose to where they can be put back into circulation and attack and kill them and innocent civilians is incredibly stupid. This is not a damn game of paintball here, the jews in Kiev intend to kill and ethnically cleanse all the separatists. Do the leaders of Novorossiya figure they don't have the resources to take care of prisoners?
I agree: it seems no way to fight a war.

Perhaps one must consider that the DPR prime minister and many others among the Russian separatists are strident communists, and that communists have never shown the least regard for the slaughter of their own troops by the enemy. In other words, although released prisoners may return to kill and destroy again, it may not be a terribly important consideration in their overall strategy.

Their Judeo-communist convictions would also go a long way to explaining why one can not mention the near complete Jewish complexion of the Kiev junta leadership without being censored on pro-separatist Web sites.

It may also explain why those among the Russian separatists skilled at such tactics have apparently received no orders to eliminate any of the Jews responsible for financing and prosecuting a war against the territories of East Ukraine (Donbas).

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I agree: it seems no way to fight a war.

Perhaps one must consider that the DPR prime minister and many others among the Russian separatists are strident communists, and that communists have never shown the least regard for the slaughter of their own troops by the enemy. In other words, although released prisoners may return to kill and destroy again, it may not be a terribly important consideration in their overall strategy.

Actually most of them are total christards




although that's probably not much different, as christ-insanity = communism.

I still want them to win, in spite of their christardianity, just as I wished that the South had won.

Regarding released prisoners and those provided safe passage out of encirclement, it is not 'may return' but 'are returning' to fight again.Just a recent example. the surrounded ones who were allowed to leave Ilovajsk now say they will be back in combat, it is even on junta media



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I don't know about this as i have seen it mentioned regularly, although they tend to use terms like Zionists and Israelis more than jews.


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But that would be a new holocaust.
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More captured junta troops, among them are also Georgian mercenaries


I think that Novorussija is currently holding around 1000 of these and they have asked for a swap all for all, Kiev I believe holds around 200 rebels.
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The junta supporters want NATO to fight and die for them.

What utter scum

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agree: it seems no way to fight a war.

Perhaps one must consider that the DPR prime minister and many others among the Russian separatists are strident communists ....
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Actually most of them are total christards ....
"People's Republic" is a communist term; as in Donetsk People's Republic.

Prominent among the banners, posters and other signs brandished in the streets by ethnic Russians demanding independence from Kiev were the hammers and sickles and likenesses of communist sewer rat Joe Stalin.

Neither have I noticed the removal of Soviet icons, like statues of Lenin, in the East of Ukraine where they are more likely to be protected.

So, I doubt the veracity of your comment that "most of them are total christards."
 
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Oleh Tiahnybok (party leader of Svoboda): The way to counter Moscow

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As we have previously warned, Putin used multilateral international negotiations on restoring peace in Donbas as a "smoke screen" for the deployment of his military aggression against Ukraine.

Over the past few days, a large-scale invasion of Russian regular units began in the south of Donetsk's region. In some areas, invaders moved 40 km deeper into our territory.

The invasion was officially confirmed by the United States, representatives of the EU and several European countries.

Achievements of Ukrainian armed forces in their fight against Russian aggression are under a threat. The very existence of independent Ukraine is under the threat, actually.

Putin's strategy is clear: to strengthen military offense in Ukraine until we capitulate to his demands, which essentially means giving Kremlin control over our country.

The main challenge that our Government is facing is not to allow Putin to impose peace by paying the price of Ukraine's surrender. Surrendering to the aggressor will never bring peace and security to residents of Donbass and other parts of Ukraine.

The only way to achieve true peace is to win the war. We shall not surrender, we shall counter the enemy and we shall seek real support from Western countries.

A few months ago, "Svoboda" offered a plan to counter the Russian aggression, and sent it to the Parliament and the President of Ukraine. We need to realise this plan (which is based on current Ukrainian law and number of law drafts of "Svoboda" parliamentary fraction). The plan consists of the following provisions:

1. To announce, officially, that Ukraine became a subject of the Russian military aggression.

2. To stop all diplomatic relations with the aggressor and to introduce the visa regime between the two countries.

3. President shall submit for approval by the Parliament a Decree on the introduction of martial law in areas where military operations are conducted.

4. To request that the UN, international organizations and world countries impose sanctions against the aggressor and exclude Russia from international organizations.

5. To request that the EU and USA impose deeper level sanctions against Russia.

6. To request that countries-guarantors of the Ukrainian independence (according to the Budapest memorandum of 1994) - the USA, Great Britain and NATO - provide us with direct military aid.

7. To create military defence alliance with the United States.

8. To implement national sanctions against the aggressor, arrest Russian assets on Ukrainian territory.

9. To clear authorities and the military command of separatists' supporters and the aggressor; to arrest assets of those who are supporting separatists and enemies in our territory.

10. To provide finance for military using high-profits tax for oligarchs.

11. To continue mobilisation and military training for Ukrainians, which will provide the reserve forces to counter the aggressor.

12. To increase social guarantees for participants of the war with the aggressor.

Ukrainian authorities must act decisively and immediately. The loss of time may be equal to the loss of independence!

This way we will counter Moscow!
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Crimean authorities just confiscated the tourist center 'Simferopol' owned by jew Kolomoyski's Privat Bank. Official reason stated "for supporting terrorism"


СМИ: Приставы арестовали активы Игоря Коломойского в Крыму

http://russian.rt.com/article/47873#ixzz3C0KG2oMt
The Russian authorities crack down on this kike oligarch too:

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Russian investigators have seized a Moscow office building belonging to a Ukrainian billionaire whose fierce anti-separatist policies have kept the eastern Ukrainian region he governs loyal to Kiev throughout the country's ongoing civil war.

The Investigative Committee Russia's version of the FBI said Tuesday that it had seized a building in central Moscow indirectly owned by Ukraine's fourth-richest citizen, Ihor Kolomoyskyi.

Justifying the decision, the committee's spokesman, Vladimir Markin, said "the profits from renting this building could be used by Kolomoyskyi to finance criminal activity in eastern Ukraine."

Kolomoyskyi, who according to Forbes is worth $2.1 billion, was appointed governor of his native Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine soon after Kiev's street revolution expelled pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych from power.

The oligarch swiftly moved to crush nascent pro-Russian separatist activity in the region, at a time when the neighboring Donetsk and Luhansk regions were becoming mired in an ongoing civil war. Kiev has accused Russia of organizing and supplying pro-Russian fighters in eastern Ukraine.

Markin said investigators had searched the building on Povarskaya Ulitsa, near Arbat and found and seized documents that will be used in a legal action against Kolomoyskyi, who is accused by Russia of murder, the use of illegal force and financing punitive raids in eastern Ukraine by battalions loyal to Kiev.
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Greg Johnson has written a rather long piece on the situation in Ukraine, in response to Kevin Strom's podcast episode Jewish Aggression p2:

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Kevin Strom is one of White Nationalisms best writers. I seldom disagree with his work, and even when I do, I find it highly valuable as a clear synthesis and statement of beliefs I oppose. A case in point is his August 16, 2014 American Dissident Voices podcast Jewish Aggression, Part 2, on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

Strom seeks to reduce the Ukraine crisis to a conflict between international Jewry and a Jew-wise Russia. To argue this thesis, Strom dismisses other actors and motives on the Ukrainian side and offers a false picture of the relationship between Russia and Jewry.

Strom begins, In order to weaken Russia, and eventually install a pro-Jewish government there, the Jewish/US axis has engineered a coup detat in Ukraine. This is wrong on three counts:

1. The United States and Jewry did not engineer the Maidan protests that led to the fall of Viktor Yanukovychs government. The initial small protests on the Maidan against Yanukovychs policies attracted little attention. But when they were brutally dispersed by police, Ukrainians of all political convictions, from far Left to far Right, gathered to protest police brutality and generalized corruption, and the protests grew into a revolution. The Maidan protests were not initially or primarily pro-EU or anti-Russian. They were against Yanukovychs corruption and lawlessness and for honest government.

2. Once the Maidan protests were underway, the US government and other Jewish-dominated organizations tried to shape the outcome. But it is simply untrue to say that they engineered them.

3. Beyond that, it is false to claim that Yanukovych was ousted by a coup detat. In truth, as the death tolls mounted, he lost his nerve and fled the capital. Describing Yankovychs fall as a coup and the interim government that followed him as a junta is mendacious Russian propaganda that should not be used by discerning individuals.

Strom continues:

Russians have historically been among the most Jew-aware people on Earth. A century ago the Imperial Russian government set many restrictions on Jewish activity there to prevent the exploitation of its citizens. When that government was overthrown and Russia was converted into the Soviet Union by the Jewish-dominated Bolsheviks in 1917, a period of overt Jewish rule took place in which millions of the best men and women in Russia were killed, imprisoned, and had their property stolen. Under Communism, anti-Semitism was a capital offense.

When a non-Jew, Stalin, evidently an even more vicious player of power politics than his Jewish comrades, took control, he distrusted the tribally-focused Jews and proceeded to systematically reduce their power, killing quite a few of them in the process. When faced with the German invasion in 1942, and realizing that more than a few Russians and Ukrainians (Ukraine was then a part of the Soviet Union) were welcoming the Germans as liberators, Stalin ditched much of the Communist party line and embraced Russian nationalism. As a result the post-war Soviet Union became less and less Jewish-controlled and more and more under the control of Russian nationalists. Despite still paying lip service to Marxism, by the 1960s Russian leaders were openly opposed to Zionism, and Jews, no longer favored, were queuing up by the thousands to leave the country. . . .

This is a very misleading picture which conceals the fact that Jews have always been a privileged people in Russia. They were privileged under the Tsars. They were privileged under Stalin and the post-Stalin Soviet regime. And they are privileged under Putin. One has to treat Jewish claims of Russian anti-Semitism very skeptically, since Jews are hardly scrupulous in throwing that epithet around.

According to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyns Two Hundred Years Together ably and extensively reviewed by F. Roger Devlin here and here there were practically no Jews in Russia until the partitions of Poland in 1772, 1793, and 1795, which brought Russia vast territories overlapping todays Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus. The partitions took place during the reign of Catherine the Great, who set the foundations of subsequent imperial Jewish policies.

From the start, Jews were free citizens of an empire in which most whites were serfs. (Serfdom was only abolished in 1861.) In 1785, Jewish communities were granted self-government. In 1786, public offices were opened to Jews.

In 1790, merchants in Moscow petitioned the Empress for relief from Jewish competition, which was granted in Russia proper, laying the foundations of the Pale of Settlement, which encompassed the former Polish-Lithuanian territories, plus New Russia, i.e., Ukrainian territories conquered by Catherine the Great from the Turks.

Although Russians were protected from Jewish competition by the Pale, the relationship was reciprocal: Jews within the Pale were protected from Russian economic competition. In short, the Pale of Settlement was a vast area given to Jews for unlimited and ruthless economic exploitation of whites, leading to massive poverty and misery.

If Jews were a privileged people in Imperial Russia, whence the perennial kvetching about Russian anti-Semitism? Simple: Jews did not think they were privileged enough. They wanted to exploit the whole of the Russian Empire, which they duly seized during the Bolshevik revolution.

Given the overwhelmingly Jewish nature of Bolshevism, when Stalin purged the party, he of necessity purged many Jews who opposed him. After the foundation of Israel, Stalin purged Jews for Zionist tendencies. But Jews who did not oppose Stalin were not purged and indeed enjoyed positions of power and trust throughout his regime.

For example, the Ukrainian-born Jew Lazar Kaganovich, one of historys great butchers, was the architect of the Ukrainian famine and the Gulag. He enjoyed Stalins confidence to the very end. He may have had a hand in Stalins death. It is even claimed that Stalin married a shadowy Kaganovich sister named Rosa. After Stalins death, Kaganovich remained on the Politburo until 1957, when he tried to engineer a party coup against Khrushchev. In 1961, he entered an evidently comfortable and secure retirement and died at the age of 97, just after the fall of Communism.

If Jews were a privileged people under Stalin, what is the basis of claims of Stalinist anti-Semitism? Again, Jews simply felt that they were not privileged enough. Also, Jews propagate the idea of Soviet anti-Semitism to obfuscate the overwhelming Jewish culpability in the crimes of communism. Finally, Stalin may not have hated Jews as such, but many Jews hated Stalin, and that is sufficient ground to be called an anti-Semite

After Stalin, Jews remained a privileged people as well. After all, what other group could emigrate en masse from Russia?

Under Putin today, Jews remain a privileged group. Yes, when Putin came to power, he redistributed some of the ill-gotten wealth of largely Jewish oligarchs, and some of the oligarchs have predictably squealed about anti-Semitism. But Putins policies were certainly not anti-Semitic per se, as a new crop of Jewish oligarchs have emerged under Putins tenure.

Even Strom admits that Putin speaks highly of Jews and disparagingly of anti-Semitism, though he keeps some pet Jews (with no trace of real power) in his circles [Who are these Jews, and how does Strom know they have no real power? Does one appease people who have no real power?], and though he has outlawed extremism as a versatile way of cementing his rule . . . But Strom has convinced himself that Putin doesnt really mean it. Because Putin acted against some Jews, Strom is convinced that he really opposes all Jews as Jews.

Strom claims that the aim of the Jewish/US axis is to weaken Russia, and eventually install a pro-Jewish government there and the Jewish power structure is most anxious that Russia be surrounded, its government overthrown, and a new democracy installed there. But this does not hold water, since there is already a pro-Jewish government in Moscow. As far as Russian Jews are concerned, Putin is quite pro-Jewish. There are Jews on the American side, Jews on the Russian side, and Jews on the Ukrainian side of this conflict. No matter what the outcome, Jews are positioned to benefit. This is one meaning of Jewish hegemony. But it also means that the events in Ukraine cannot be reduced to a simple Jews versus Russia opposition.

Strom has also convinced himself that Putins foreign policy is based not on calculations of Russias national interests, but on a desire to combat international Jewry:

. . . in the last few years, every time the US/Israeli warmongers were attempting to start another war in the Middle East first in Iran and then in Syria Vladimir Putin checkmated them. For these things, the Jews cannot forgive him. They are very worried about a resurgent, nuclear-armed, and Jew-aware Russia and any alliances she may build in an increasingly Jew-aware world.

Putins policies certainly irritate the Israelis. They irritate American neoconservatives. And they irritate the broader American Jewish community, which harbors extremely irrational anti-Russian hatreds going back to the 19th century. But Putins policies are not directed at Jews as such. Instead, Putin regards the United States as his primary adversary, Israel as a US client, and international Jewry as a divided community whose favors he ardently seeks to woo.

Strom has even convinced himself that Putin might not really mean it when he says he is fighting against fascism in Ukraine, or that by being a good nationalist, he is effectively a fascist, even if he denies it:

Vladimir Putin, whatever he may believe personally, is forced by political necessity to praise the heroic Soviet soldiers who saved the Motherland from Hitler. Russia has quite as many my country is always right patriots as does America, where the fighters in the good war (which wasnt good at all) must be praised in Politically Correct terms by all politicians or those politicians will face political suicide. Putin therefore presents himself as (and may even believe himself to be) an anti-Fascist even while he pursues essentially nationalist policies, simply because those are the policies that are objectively good for Russia, even going so far as to decry the low White birthrate and implement laws designed to increase it.

Putin has adopted a range of sensible policies, but the fact that he is committed to maintaining Russia as a multiracial, multicultural empire means that all these sound policies actually work against the racial interests of Russian whites, who suffer from catastrophically low fertility and are being outbred by Muslims from the Caucasus and Orientals in the East. (Incentives to raise birthrates will not help if they are applied equally to more fertile non-Russians as well.)

Putins form of conservative, race-blind, Jew-friendly civic nationalism is actually the worst case scenario for whites, since it places an essentially anti-white system on firmer political and economic foundations, which will allow its anti-white, ethnocidal trends to proceed more efficiently until Russias white population is biologically beyond recall. But Putin doesnt think this way, because he is not a fascist, i.e., a racial nationalist not even an implicit one.

Thus when Putin claims that he is battling against fascism and anti-Semitism in Ukraine, he really means it. And, as a fascist and anti-Semite, Strom needs to take him at his word. Vladimir Putin is not our secret friend.

What does Strom have to say about the real fascists and anti-Semites in the Ukraine crisis, namely the political party Svoboda (Freedom) and its radical break-away group Right Sector?

Since late last year, the Jewish power structure, through its puppet, the United States, was trying to overthrow the legitimate elected government of Ukraine [This reads like Russian boilerplate. Since when does the National Alliance recognize elections as legitimating anything?], which had taken a position of moderate and positive engagement with Russia [a rather delicate description of Yanukovych selling his country's alignment to the highest bidder]. Hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars were expended to recruit a group of supposedly right wing fascist mercenaries [Is Strom asserting that the US created and/or pays and/or controls Right Sector? What is the proof?], who were carefully watched at all times by Jewish and US intelligence operatives [Sounds like a likely deduction being passed off as fact], since they were not entirely trusted. These groups were politically and philosophically descended from the Ukrainians who joined the German forces in World War 2 to liberate their country from Communism. [And should thus have Stroms default sympathy.] The understanding of the members of these groups ranged from full awareness that the Jews were responsible for the historical starvation and enslavement of Ukrainians to jingoistic petty nationalists who blamed everything on Russians. Frustrated by political impotence [Svoboda has actual elected officials] and long-fooled by American anti-Communist rhetoric [or perhaps merely alarmed by Russias paeans to the glories of Stalininsm], they were ripe for exploitation. These mercenaries were provided with weapons and other military hardware. They provided much of the muscle for the overthrow of Ukraines president Viktor Yanukovych last February.

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The naive nationalists in Ukraine were fooled. They were tricked into fighting the wrong enemy. They were fooled by promises of support from their real enemy the regime in Washington. They were fooled because they were petty nationalists, not racial-nationalists. I pray that some of them are racial-nationalists now. They were fooled not unlike the way their grandfathers were fooled into thinking that the Russian foot soldiers who enforced the Jews orders to starve Ukraine were the real enemy. They didnt see the big picture.

Strom wishes to argue that Jews, not Russians, are responsible for all the evils of Communism, thus Ukrainians who dislike and distrust Russians are being petty and deluded.

This is contradicted by Stroms own claim that during World War II Stalin ditched much of the Communist party line and embraced Russian nationalism in order to beat the Axis and regain control over Ukraine. If there really was a point that the USSR ceased being a recognizably Jewish regime and became a Russian nationalist regime instead, then why is it not reasonable for Ukrainians to resent specifically Russian domination?

Moreover, Russian domination over Ukraine goes back to the 18th century, and Ukrainians remember that it was the Russians who created the Pale of Settlement, confirming and expanding Jewish exploitation in Ukrainian lands.
Finally, Ukrainians have every reason to dislike and distrust Russians for their actions today. It is Russians who seized control of Crimea (a real coup), sending in Russian troops operating as partisans (without uniforms), and legitimating it with a farcical referendum which only offered two choices Crimean independence or being absorbed by Russia and then probably rigging the whole thing, just to be sure. It is Russians who have incited unrest in Eastern Ukraine, providing troops and weapons to separatists (and lying about it all the while), leading to the needless deaths of thousands.
As for Svoboda and Right Sector, they are not perfect, but in terms of their ideological roots, principles, and goals, they are Jew-wise racial nationalists. Yet Strom is willing to make excuses for what he assures us are Putins merely strategic nods to Jewish power and Russian petty nationalism, but he is unwilling to accord Svoboda and Right Sector similar courtesies.

It means nothing to Strom that Putin puts a beanie on and prayerfully presses his hand to the Wailing Wall like every other white leader. We can trust Vlad, Strom whispers assuringly, because hes just lying to the Jews and the Russians. But if the leader of Svoboda an actual member of the interim government meets with John McCain, or if the leader of Right Sector engages in some wink-wink, nudge-nudge to calm the local Jews, Strom intuits treason in their hearts.

Why the double standard? Why the indulgence for Putin and jaundice toward Ukrainian White Nationalists?

What is the big picture that Strom thinks we should all see?

The big picture of Jewish power ranged against the freedom and self-determination of all peoples and against the very survival of our race itself. Thats the reality of whats happening in Ukraine thats the reality of whats happening all around the world today, from Cleveland to Gaza to Stockholm to Vladivostok: the Jewish war against our freedom, against our future, and against our very existence. And showing our people that reality is our highest duty.

I agree fully with Stroms general point that Jewish power is arrayed against the freedom and self-determination of all peoples, and this is the chief impediment to white survival. But that is not the battle in Ukraine today. Russia is not fighting against international Jewry. Putin is engaged in petty imperialist aggression against a former vassal state that wishes to assert its legitimate rights to freedom and self-determination.

Being an independent nation means being able to make decisions your neighbors dislike. Respecting the independence of other nations is easy when they only make decisions that please you. The hard part is accepting decisions that displease you. And Russia consistently fails this test with the former Soviet Republics and Warsaw Pact nations. Even though around a quarter century has passed since communism in Europe began its implosion, the Russians have not mentally adjusted to the fact that they cannot boss their neighbors around.

Even more alarmingly, the Russians continue to identify themselves with the Soviet Unioneven the regime of Stalin, one of the evilest men in human historyand this identification has been growing stronger, not weaker, with time. For instance, Russia angrily protestsand local Russians have actually riotedwhenever its former imperial subjects move, destroy, or deface Soviet-era monuments to the Red Army that brought slavery, torture, deportations, and death to their countrymenor when they try to honor their countrymen who joined the Axis crusade against communism. Thus it is somewhat beside the point to blame Jews for the crimes of communism when todays Russians are happy to claim them. In truth, all the efforts of George Soros and the US government pale by comparison to Russias ongoing NATO recruitment drive.

Thus I completely sympathize with the desire of Russias neighbors to enter NATO. They would be fools not to. Every nation must worry about securing its basic sovereignty before it can turn its attention to remoter dangers and larger civilizational issues, and Russias former dominions are right to see her as the primary threat.

If Russia did not want NATO extended to her borders, she should have been a better neighbor. But it is never too late to start.

Moreover, NATO expansion is not a threat to Russias sovereignty and legitimate interests. It is arrant nonsense for Strom to claim and here he is just following standard Russian propaganda that the purpose of the coup in Ukraine is to encircle and conquer Russia. Russia has the second largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, which is enough to deter any conquest. The claim that Russia is in danger of conquest is no more credible than the Jewish claim that another holocaust is around the corner if Jews do not get their way as if Israels mountain of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons were not a sufficient deterrent either.

It would be wonderful if a powerful nation like Russia really were fighting international Jewry and its minions in the name of the self-determination of all peoples. But that is not the case. Stroms account of the Ukraine-Russia crisis is a tissue of delusions and distortions. But I do not wish to pick on Kevin Strom, who is merely expressing views that are widely held in the White Nationalist community due to intense Russian propaganda efforts. (We should be flattered, I guess, that they think us worthy of deceiving.) I have chosen to respond to Strom in particular simply because of the virtues of his argument: as always, he states his views clearly and compellingly. But in this case, he fails to convince.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...a-and-ukraine/

Contrast the bolded of what I just quoted from Svoboda party leader Tyahnibok a few posts up here. Greg Johnson does not know at all what he is talking about here. Jew-wise nationalists...

Funny how he thinks it is legitimate to co-operate with NATO but not Russia.
 
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And, rather than sample and cite the piece, you post it in its entirety.
I'd prefer to just post a sample, but I've noticed that Alex Linder almost never does that. Nothing wrong in having the whole thing archived here. Click the link if you don't like the formatting.
 
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I'd prefer to just post a sample, but I've noticed that Alex Linder almost never does that. Nothing wrong in having the whole thing archived here. Click the link if you don't like the formatting.
You are not Alex Linder.

Not cluttering a thread is common courtesy.

Neither is the article a quality composition; but you obviously think otherwise.

So, perhaps you will care to defend the author's assertion that "Jews have always been a privileged people in Russia. They were privileged under the Tsars." A few examples of privilege under Alexander III and Nicholas II will suffice.

Too, Greg Johnson's are not all broadly cherished perspectives.
 
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Greg Johnson has written a rather long piece on the situation in Ukraine, in response to Kevin Strom's podcast episode Jewish Aggression p2:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...a-and-ukraine/

Contrast the bolded of what I just quoted from Svoboda party leader Tyahnibok a few posts up here. Greg Johnson does not know at all what he is talking about here. Jew-wise nationalists...

Funny how he thinks it is legitimate to co-operate with NATO but not Russia.
GJ went all out, wow, he is in total lock step with the Jewish MSM.

His first 3 points are blatant lies, he should not be writing anything
if he does not know the history and plans of the NeoCons and Oligarchs
in Ukraine and Russia, he never heard of " orange revolution " 2004 ?

His job should be to out the criminals at the top, they are all Jewish or
strongly allied with International Jewry and Israel, and worse.

That Turchinov seems to be the Jew dictator of Ukraine holding 2
key positions, I linked to Bollyn article on him going back a few,
Kolmoyskyi seems to be number 2, Poroshenko and Yats are water boys.
http://www.bollyn.com/14573/

So far mission accomplished, destroy Ukraine and it's people.

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Lots happening militarily, Rebels are cleaning up surrounded military units.

There is practically nothing left of Ukraine Military compared to 3 weeks ago.

See my previous posts and maps posted, and previous to that sources.


Almost all Right Sector and National Guard ( more formal Ukraine Military made up of
Right Sector, they were put in charge of shelling )
Units have been surrounded and hammered.


Latest Map, in English. September 1 2014 , the English maps are relatively new.

https://slavyangrad.files.wordpress....in_1_sep-1.jpg

Rebels seem to by bypassing Mariupol, their search and destroy units
operating behind enemy lines are way past Mariupol, if we go by past
reports of this nature they will move on this and take entire coast to
Crimea.

About 2 weeks have gone by since Rebels broke the back of offensive.

This was predicted. Yet there are recriminations all around.

They got Putin out of context, they have been constantly blaming
Russia for invasion, and Putin must have responded, you have not
seen an invasion because if there was ...

Vladimir Putin: “I Can Take Kiev In Just Two Weeks If I Want”
http://www.dailystormer.com/vladimir...eks-if-i-want/

Russians have recognized Novo Russia in more ways than one.

This is good, on the record.

Putin: Impossible to say when political crisis in Ukraine will end — RT News
http://rt.com/news/184040-ukraine-pu...5R6uSM.twitter

Ukrainian refugees to receive Russian pensions - minister — RT Russian politics
http://rt.com/politics/183564-ukrain...ions-refugees/

Ukrainian command brought this issue up crying about defeats.
Then MSM blames Russia for responding.

Russia outraged after Kiev accuses Moscow of nuclear attack threats
http://rt.com/news/184324-russia-ukraine-nuclear-shock/

The MSM is comedy central but lethal, sheeple buying it up ?

Some admissions. Translation, Kiev losing, Moscow invaded, LOL !

Ukraine Shifts to Defense Against Russian Incursion - WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/articles/russi...trending_now_4

Really ? Kiev media never admitted a defeat, they were all victories.

Ukraine president blames military failure on deserting commanders — RT News
http://rt.com/news/183280-ukraine-mo...ier-abandoned/

Real CNN admission, Ukraine bombing civilians.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....grief.cnn.html

Captured 155 mm Gun run by Rebels, this is how the Rebels smashed 2nd offensive
so decisively, captured major weapons from first failed offensive and daily finds,
they needed these guns early and didn't have them, they had to hunt them,
civilians paid a price for this.

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Just a few points regarding this trash article of half truths subtle distortions and outright lies from the homosexual Johnson, who like the kikes, will even tell some truth in order to set up a bigger lie down the road.


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Kevin Strom is one of White Nationalism’s best writers. I seldom disagree with his work, and even when I do, I find it highly valuable as a clear synthesis and statement of beliefs I oppose. A case in point is his August 16, 2014 American Dissident Voices podcast “Jewish Aggression,” Part 2, on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

Strom seeks to reduce the Ukraine crisis to a conflict between international Jewry and a Jew-wise Russia. To argue this thesis, Strom dismisses other actors and motives on the Ukrainian side and offers a false picture of the relationship between Russia and Jewry.


Strom begins, “In order to weaken Russia, and eventually install a pro-Jewish government there, the Jewish/US axis has engineered a coup d’etat in Ukraine.” This is wrong on three counts:

1. The United States and Jewry did not “engineer” the Maidan protests that led to the fall of Viktor Yanukovych’s government. The initial small protests on the Maidan against Yanukovych’s policies attracted little attention. But when they were brutally dispersed by police, Ukrainians of all political convictions, from far Left to far Right, gathered to protest police brutality and generalized corruption, and the protests grew into a revolution. The Maidan protests were not initially or primarily pro-EU or anti-Russian. They were against Yanukovych’s corruption and lawlessness and for honest government.

Bold faced lie number one. It has been clearly documented with the US not even hiding it, (jewess Victoria Nuland), that over five billion US dollars were invested into Ukraine in order to bring about regime change.

But you see subversion of state apparatus and funding of various pro EU NGOs never happened according to this homo, it is all just Russian propagnada and WN paranoia.

The fag also cries about Janukovic's 'police brutality', well trust me if the police really became brutal during that period the Maidan would have been cleared out in a few days. How does the fag Greggy think that the police in the US would react to an American Maidan? With flowers?

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2. Once the Maidan protests were underway, the US government and other Jewish-dominated organizations tried to shape the outcome. But it is simply untrue to say that they “engineered” them.
hehe he can spin that to Stormfront Fox consuming tards but it will not fly with people who have closely followed Ukraine since 1991, even as recently as the 2004 Orange revolution with their facially deformed puppet Yushenko who the people hated.

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3. Beyond that, it is false to claim that Yanukovych was ousted by a coup d’etat. In truth, as the death tolls mounted, he lost his nerve and fled the capital. Describing Yankovych’s fall as a “coup” and the interim government that followed him as a “junta” is mendacious Russian propaganda that should not be used by discerning individuals.
It is the truth, a classic text book case of using foreign funding and violence to overthrow a democratically elected government. There was not going to be any compromise, like the proposed power sharing agreement til the next election, which was to happen later in the year anyway, but no ZOG wanted total victory in Ukraine. Yatz the Yid rejected all concessions from Janukovich, even to have him appointed as PM.



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Strom continues:

Russians have historically been among the most Jew-aware people on Earth. A century ago the Imperial Russian government set many restrictions on Jewish activity there to prevent the exploitation of its citizens. When that government was overthrown and Russia was converted into the Soviet Union by the Jewish-dominated Bolsheviks in 1917, a period of overt Jewish rule took place in which millions of the best men and women in Russia were killed, imprisoned, and had their property stolen. Under Communism, “anti-Semitism” was a capital offense.

When a non-Jew, Stalin, evidently an even more vicious player of power politics than his Jewish “comrades,” took control, he distrusted the tribally-focused Jews and proceeded to systematically reduce their power, killing quite a few of them in the process. When faced with the German invasion in 1942, and realizing that more than a few Russians and Ukrainians (Ukraine was then a part of the Soviet Union) were welcoming the Germans as liberators, Stalin ditched much of the Communist party line and embraced Russian nationalism. As a result the post-war Soviet Union became less and less Jewish-controlled and more and more under the control of Russian nationalists. Despite still paying lip service to Marxism, by the 1960s Russian leaders were openly opposed to Zionism, and Jews, no longer favored, were queuing up by the thousands to leave the country. . . .

This is a very misleading picture which conceals the fact that Jews have always been a privileged people in Russia. They were privileged under the Tsars. They were privileged under Stalin and the post-Stalin Soviet regime. And they are privileged under Putin. One has to treat Jewish claims of Russian anti-Semitism very skeptically, since Jews are hardly scrupulous in throwing that epithet around.
Strom is correct. The later version Soviet Union was getting gradually less and less appetizing for world jewry, which of course doesn't mean that it was anti semitic, but the kikes weren't having all those campaigns, some even included violence and bombings of Soviet facilities in the US during the 70's and 80's, to free Soviet jewry for nothing. Many of them wanted out of there as they could not call all the shots like they once could.


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According to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together – ably and extensively reviewed by F. Roger Devlin here and here – there were practically no Jews in Russia until the partitions of Poland in 1772, 1793, and 1795, which brought Russia vast territories overlapping today’s Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus. The partitions took place during the reign of Catherine the Great, who set the foundations of subsequent imperial Jewish policies.

From the start, Jews were free citizens of an empire in which most whites were serfs. (Serfdom was only abolished in 1861.) In 1785, Jewish communities were granted self-government. In 1786, public offices were opened to Jews.
What a turd. Russian imperialism was such a friend of jewry that they killed off the Romanov's and broke up the empire, even creating Ukraine in the process.

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In 1790, merchants in Moscow petitioned the Empress for relief from Jewish competition, which was granted in Russia proper, laying the foundations of the Pale of Settlement, which encompassed the former Polish-Lithuanian territories, plus “New Russia,” i.e., Ukrainian territories conquered by Catherine the Great from the Turks.

Notice how the fag doesn't say liberated from Turks but conquered.

Why were they 'Ukrainian territories'? When liberated by Russians from the Ottomans there were hardly any 'Ukrainians' living on those lands and in fact the Czar had to populate Novorossija with Ukrainians, so the fact that they came to get that land is thanks to 'Russian imperialism', and later jewish communism.



Johnson just assumes that all his readers are so stupid that they think what we have today as Ukraine was just always there in existence and that now 'evil' Putin is trying to destroy it.


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If Jews were a privileged people in Imperial Russia, whence the perennial kvetching about Russian anti-Semitism? Simple: Jews did not think they were privileged enough. They wanted to exploit the whole of the Russian Empire, which they duly seized during the Bolshevik revolution.

Given the overwhelmingly Jewish nature of Bolshevism, when Stalin purged the party, he of necessity purged many Jews who opposed him. After the foundation of Israel, Stalin purged Jews for Zionist tendencies. But Jews who did not oppose Stalin were not purged and indeed enjoyed positions of power and trust throughout his regime.

For example, the Ukrainian-born Jew Lazar Kaganovich, one of history’s great butchers, was the architect of the Ukrainian famine and the Gulag. He enjoyed Stalin’s confidence to the very end. He may have had a hand in Stalin’s death. It is even claimed that Stalin married a shadowy Kaganovich sister named Rosa. After Stalin’s death, Kaganovich remained on the Politburo until 1957, when he tried to engineer a party coup against Khrushchev. In 1961, he entered an evidently comfortable and secure retirement and died at the age of 97, just after the fall of Communism.

If Jews were a privileged people under Stalin, what is the basis of claims of Stalinist anti-Semitism? Again, Jews simply felt that they were not privileged enough. Also, Jews propagate the idea of Soviet anti-Semitism to obfuscate the overwhelming Jewish culpability in the crimes of communism. Finally, Stalin may not have hated Jews as such, but many Jews hated Stalin, and that is sufficient ground to be called an anti-Semite

And the point with this is that Stalin was the boss and jews had to understand this.

I don't think jews were nearly as privileged under Stalin as they are under Republicans and Democrats in the US today, or under the communist EU. Stalin is still the number two most hated individual by jews right after Hitler.

Was he an anti semite? He was an anti anyone who threatened his autocratic rule.



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After Stalin, Jews remained a privileged people as well. After all, what other group could emigrate en masse from Russia?
Well there was pressure form the US for them to be allowed to thanks to jew lobby constantly making an issue out of this. Remember rabbi Kahane and his followers always going on about this during the 70s and 80s? This lead to MS jew orgs also adopting the cause of Soviet jewry.

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Under Putin today, Jews remain a privileged group. Yes, when Putin came to power, he redistributed some of the ill-gotten wealth of largely Jewish oligarchs, and some of the oligarchs have predictably squealed about anti-Semitism. But Putin’s policies were certainly not anti-Semitic per se, as a new crop of Jewish oligarchs have emerged under Putin’s tenure.
Under Putin is the key.

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Even Strom admits that “Putin speaks highly of Jews and disparagingly of anti-Semitism, though he keeps some pet Jews (with no trace of real power) in his circles [Who are these Jews, and how does Strom know they have no real power? Does one appease people who have no “real power”?], and though he has outlawed ‘extremism’ as a versatile way of cementing his rule . . .” But Strom has convinced himself that Putin doesn’t really mean it. Because Putin acted against some Jews, Strom is convinced that he really opposes all Jews as Jews.
Well sorry for Putin not reopening Auschwitz but for an American lapdog of Zion to bitch about jew privilege under Putin is pure comedy.


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Strom claims that the aim of the “Jewish/US axis” is “to weaken Russia, and eventually install a pro-Jewish government there” and “the Jewish power structure is most anxious that Russia be surrounded, its government overthrown, and a new ‘democracy’ installed there.” But this does not hold water, since there is already a pro-Jewish government in Moscow. As far as Russian Jews are concerned, Putin is quite pro-Jewish. There are Jews on the American side, Jews on the Russian side, and Jews on the Ukrainian side of this conflict. No matter what the outcome, Jews are positioned to benefit. This is one meaning of Jewish hegemony. But it also means that the events in Ukraine cannot be reduced to a simple “Jews versus Russia” opposition.
If they had total power Russia would be on board with the US in the Middle East, faggotry, unipolar world, federal reserve dollar supremacy, etc. Russia would not be the subject of such hate in the Western media.

Listen faggot, when we see any US political prositute even coming close to a Putin let us know, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like or trust Putin, as his betrayal of Novorossija is still a very big possibility.


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Strom has also convinced himself that Putin’s foreign policy is based not on calculations of Russia’s national interests, but on a desire to combat international Jewry:
Why does one automatically have to exclude the other? Putin's policy can be 'anti semitic' by default as Russia's national interests are in essence anti semitic as any real jew will tell you.


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. . in the last few years, every time the US/Israeli warmongers were attempting to start another war in the Middle East — first in Iran and then in Syria — Vladimir Putin checkmated them. For these things, the Jews cannot forgive him. They are very worried about a resurgent, nuclear-armed, and Jew-aware Russia — and any alliances she may build in an increasingly Jew-aware world.

Putin’s policies certainly irritate the Israelis. They irritate American neoconservatives. And they irritate the broader American Jewish community, which harbors extremely irrational anti-Russian hatreds going back to the 19th century. But Putin’s policies are not directed at Jews as such. Instead, Putin regards the United States as his primary adversary, Israel as a US client, and international Jewry as a divided community whose favors he ardently seeks to woo.
hehe yes 'irritate'. Well the US and Israel are one entity so opposing the US is the same as opposing Israel, even if you don't admit it or understand it.

Jews are building global central govenrment and Moscow Teheran Damascus with a few others are not playing ball but Greg wants to skirt around this and play little games.



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Strom has even convinced himself that Putin might not really mean it when he says he is fighting against “fascism” in Ukraine, or that by being a good nationalist, he is effectively a fascist, even if he denies it:

Vladimir Putin, whatever he may believe personally, is forced by political necessity to praise the “heroic Soviet soldiers” who “saved the Motherland from Hitler.” Russia has quite as many “my country is always right” patriots as does America, where the fighters in the “good war” (which wasn’t good at all) must be praised in Politically Correct terms by all politicians or those politicians will face political suicide. Putin therefore presents himself as (and may even believe himself to be) an “anti-Fascist” even while he pursues essentially nationalist policies, simply because those are the policies that are objectively good for Russia, even going so far as to decry the low White birthrate and implement laws designed to increase it.

Putin has adopted a range of sensible policies, but the fact that he is committed to maintaining Russia as a multiracial, multicultural empire means that all these sound policies actually work against the racial interests of Russian whites, who suffer from catastrophically low fertility and are being outbred by Muslims from the Caucasus and Orientals in the East. (Incentives to raise birthrates will not help if they are applied equally to more fertile non-Russians as well.)

Hmm Greggy is concerned about the racial interests of Russian whites lol. The cold hard fact is with or without Putin racial interests of white Russians will not be an issue. If Greggy's ZOG eliminates Putin and takes over Russia there will be no difference to the treatment of WN in the country, in fact it could possibly even be worse under an EU occupied 'democratic' Russia.


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Putin’s form of conservative, race-blind, Jew-friendly civic nationalism is actually the worst case scenario for whites, since it places an essentially anti-white system on firmer political and economic foundations, which will allow its anti-white, ethnocidal trends to proceed more efficiently until Russia’s white population is biologically beyond recall. But Putin doesn’t think this way, because he is not a “fascist,” i.e., a racial nationalist — not even an “implicit” one.

Thus when Putin claims that he is battling against fascism and anti-Semitism in Ukraine, he really means it. And, as a “fascist” and anti-Semite, Strom needs to take him at his word. Vladimir Putin is not our “secret friend.”
Does he? You know this for sure. If true then why isn't he condemning Novorossiya where anti semitic statements have been much more common than in the so called nationalist pro EU part of Ukraine where there have been none since the Maidan? You are full of shit you semen slurper.

And who ever claimed he was our secret friend? What kind of simplistic nonsense are you blabbering about shit dick?

Fact is that just the existence of a slight counter balance to this jewish unipolar world is better than nothing. It's better than allowing the US government and by extension World Jewry to occupy and micro manage not only your kwan lives but the lives of every person around the globe. Fuck you Greggy!!!


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What does Strom have to say about the real “fascists” and anti-Semites in the Ukraine crisis, namely the political party Svoboda (Freedom) and its radical break-away group Right Sector?
Svoboda, the kosher chauvinist scum with their non white members and Neocon friends.

Valeriy Konik, activist of Svoboda





Svoboda leader getting support from McCain



As for Right Sector they allow non whites as well in addition to promoting jewish interests





Gook RS member with his Ukrainian wife



Chechen RS members




Ukrainian Far Right Pays Tribute at Jewish Victim's Funeral



http://forward.com/articles/194722/t...#ixzz39nbagruu


" only my grandgrandfather is gypsy, all others aryans" i mean come on.






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Since late last year, the Jewish power structure, through its puppet, the United States, was trying to overthrow the legitimate elected government of Ukraine [This reads like Russian boilerplate. Since when does the National Alliance recognize elections as legitimating anything?],
ha ha sneaky litte bastard but your tactics dont fool the politically sophisticated.

Just because we dont recognize elections in the west means we have to agree with the jewish toppling of an elected pm in a foreign country. Great logic there.


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which had taken a position of moderate and positive engagement with Russia [a rather delicate description of Yanukovych selling his country's alignment to the highest bidder].
Unlike the junta which is giving it away for free and for debt slavery while murdering those who want no part in it, those who just want to be left alone. You make real sense dont you.


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Hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars were expended to recruit a group of supposedly “right wing fascist” mercenaries [Is Strom asserting that the US created and/or pays and/or controls Right Sector? What is the proof?],
The mere little fact that the US is not calling for sanctions against them, not targetting them with air strikes, not conducting a hysterical media smear campaign against them, but instead is sending them rations and weapons while giving diplomatic cover. This is is pretty damn close to what one would define as US support.


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who were carefully watched at all times by Jewish and US intelligence operatives [Sounds like a likely deduction being passed off as fact], since they were not entirely trusted. These groups were politically and philosophically descended from the Ukrainians who joined the German forces in World War 2 to liberate their country from Communism. [And should thus have Strom’s default sympathy.]
They certainly would have Strom's and my sympathy if they were not being used by the globalist kikes. The fact that they are makes any further consideration of them as viable allies of WN a non starter, even if we ignore the fact that they openly admit jews and non whites into their ranks


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The understanding of the members of these groups ranged from full awareness that the Jews were responsible for the historical starvation and enslavement of Ukrainians — to jingoistic petty nationalists who blamed everything on “Russians.” Frustrated by political impotence [Svoboda has actual elected officials] and long-fooled by American anti-Communist rhetoric [or perhaps merely alarmed by Russia’s paeans to the glories of Stalininsm], they were ripe for exploitation. These mercenaries were provided with weapons and other military hardware. They provided much of the “muscle” for the overthrow of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yanukovych last February.

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The naive nationalists in Ukraine were fooled. They were tricked into fighting the wrong enemy. They were fooled by promises of support from their real enemy — the regime in Washington. They were fooled because they were petty nationalists, not racial-nationalists. I pray that some of them are racial-nationalists now. They were fooled — not unlike the way their grandfathers were fooled into thinking that the Russian foot soldiers who enforced the Jews’ orders to starve Ukraine were the real enemy. They didn’t see the big picture.

Strom wishes to argue that Jews, not Russians, are responsible for all the evils of Communism, thus Ukrainians who dislike and distrust Russians are being “petty” and deluded.

Define Ukrainian turd packer? Do you even know what it means to be a Ukrainian? What connects the Galicians and uniates of West Ukraine (who have since independence been spreading their anti Russian version of Ukrainianism to other parts of Ukraine, including the Donbass region?


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This is contradicted by Strom’s own claim that during World War II “Stalin ditched much of the Communist party line and embraced Russian nationalism” in order to beat the Axis and regain control over Ukraine. If there really was a point that the USSR ceased being a recognizably Jewish regime and became a Russian nationalist regime instead, then why is it not reasonable for Ukrainians to resent specifically Russian domination?
Well that's not exactly true. Stalin played a little on the old Russian christian nationalism card just in order to motivate the fight against German troops but follong the war this was discarded in favour of the new Soviet man.

Again not all Ukrainians resent Russia only a part of them do and even some among these Russia haters have grand parents who considered themselves as Russians. This fairly recent form of Ukrainian chavinism is a direct result of allowing west ukrainian concept of what it means to be a Ukrainian spread and take root in parts of the country which formerly had nothing to do with this. The Ukrainian state encourages this poison but even so they still couldn't achieve a majority as the election of Janukovich showed, so what option were they left with in order to impose their views on all Ukrainians? Force. And with US EU backing they are doing it.

And just what 'domination' of Ukraine is this turd talking about when Ukrainian and Russian was interchangable for centuries, there really was no difference apart from geographic term.

What Johnson is doing here is taking the Galician catholic west Ukrainian uniate concept and forcing it on all the resat of Ukraine. This is precisely the reason we have war now. Watch the great video from the Lithuanian that Jimmy Marr posted on this thread in order to understand the core of the problem with present day Ukraine.


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Moreover, Russian domination over Ukraine goes back to the 18th century, and Ukrainians remember that it was the Russians who created the Pale of Settlement, confirming and expanding Jewish exploitation in Ukrainian lands.
Finally, Ukrainians have every reason to dislike and distrust Russians for their actions today.
Wrong presumption. Over half of Ukrainians even today do not hate or mistrust Russians but many live in fear of the regime and just keep silent.

LOL! Russians gave Ukraine her entire statehood.


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It is Russians who seized control of Crimea (a real coup), sending in Russian troops operating as partisans (without uniforms), and legitimating it with a farcical referendum which only offered two choices — Crimean independence or being absorbed by Russia — and then probably rigging the whole thing, just to be sure.

Seized lol! You mean historically Russian Crimea that commie Khruschev just signed away to Soviet Ukraine in 1954? No referendum no consultation with the people living there, nothing.

Russian troops were already in Crimea prior to this as per agreement with Kiev, and Moscow would have been foolish to just withdraw and allow what is now happening in Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts to have also engulfed Crimea. I'm sure Greg's dick would have gotten hard over this death and destruction we are witnessing in the former east Ukraine also coming to Crimea but unfortunately Putin disappointed him.


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It is Russians who have incited unrest in Eastern Ukraine, providing troops and weapons to separatists (and lying about it all the while), leading to the needless deaths of thousands.
Greggy blames the war which the US started and is prolonging, until they achieve total victory and cleansing of the east, on Russia.

It is a tragedy that Moscow has not intervened in order to put a stop to this, that is the real disaster.


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As for Svoboda and Right Sector, they are not perfect, but in terms of their ideological roots, principles, and goals, they are Jew-wise racial nationalists.
I think that has been debunked so many times already but you still keep spouting it to your readers and donators


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Yet Strom is willing to make excuses for what he assures us are Putin’s merely strategic nods to Jewish power and Russian petty nationalism, but he is unwilling to accord Svoboda and Right Sector similar courtesies.
Ridiculous. Comparing a serious state which is still not fully under ZOG control to a jew supported gang who, were it not for US/EU support, would be a bunch of marginal non entities.


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It means nothing to Strom that Putin puts a beanie on and prayerfully presses his hand to the Wailing Wall like every other white leader. “We can trust Vlad,” Strom whispers assuringly, “because he’s just lying to the Jews and the Russians.” But if the leader of Svoboda — an actual member of the interim government — meets with John McCain, or if the leader of Right Sector engages in some wink-wink, nudge-nudge to calm the local Jews, Strom intuits treason in their hearts.

Why the double standard? Why the indulgence for Putin and jaundice toward Ukrainian White Nationalists?
More standard cheap arguments which a laughable even for pre scholers.

Why the double standard? Putin is not a WN unlike those you support are made out to be.

Look there are no Ukrainian white nationalists, there are chauvinists and basically people who admit non whites, just as long as the non whites are willing to fight the separatists.

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What is the “big picture” that Strom thinks we should all see?
What is it you want us to see with your bullshit article?


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The big picture of Jewish power ranged against the freedom and self-determination of all peoples — and against the very survival of our race itself. That’s the reality of what’s happening in Ukraine — that’s the reality of what’s happening all around the world today, from Cleveland to Gaza to Stockholm to Vladivostok: the Jewish war against our freedom, against our future, and against our very existence. And showing our people that reality is our highest duty.

I agree fully with Strom’s general point that Jewish power is arrayed against the freedom and self-determination of all peoples, and this is the chief impediment to white survival. But that is not the battle in Ukraine today. Russia is not fighting against international Jewry. Putin is engaged in petty imperialist aggression against a former vassal state that wishes to assert its legitimate rights to freedom and self-determination.
Wrong. Putin is for compromise but Kiev is trying by use of bloody force to impose its will on regions that don't want EU IMF and NATO USA bases on their soil. they dont want gay prides and Monsanto either.

If one is a true nationalist he can not but support these people, even if he doesn't personally agree with everyhting they stand for, christiainty racial blindness , stupid clinging to socialism by some of them, etc


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Being an independent nation means being able to make decisions your neighbors dislike. Respecting the independence of other nations is easy when they only make decisions that please you. The hard part is accepting decisions that displease you. And Russia consistently fails this test with the former Soviet Republics and Warsaw Pact nations. Even though around a quarter century has passed since communism in Europe began its implosion, the Russians have not mentally adjusted to the fact that they cannot boss their neighbors around.
What nations are we talking about? This is not a Germany France Sweden Holland etc. Ukraine is an artificial construct patched together from confiscated Russian lands. Its modern form was birthed by Soviets and its path today is being set out by Soros types, US/EU Zionmists. Ukraine has a serious internal problem becasue the state is not built on solid foundations, its not homogenous .

This violence is being fueled by western powers. That's the only real and unbiased truth.

Ukraine is not independent and will not be so under the EU IMF.


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Even more alarmingly, the Russians continue to identify themselves with the Soviet Union—even the regime of Stalin, one of the evilest men in human history—and this identification has been growing stronger, not weaker, with time.
Which Russians? Not all. Many are also non Russians. Now of course there will always be a segment yearning for the good old days, but so waht? How many kwans identify with and praise Israel?

Fact is there is no communist threat coming from Moscow in 2014 no matter what the jews who run the US/EU media tell you.


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For instance, Russia angrily protests—and local Russians have actually rioted—whenever its former imperial subjects move, destroy, or deface Soviet-era monuments to the Red Army that brought slavery, torture, deportations, and death to their countrymen—or when they try to honor their countrymen who joined the Axis crusade against communism. Thus it is somewhat beside the point to blame Jews for the crimes of communism when today’s Russians are happy to claim them
Well i wouldn't put too much into that as this is usually just a way to pressure back in response to the provocations that these states with their servitude to NATO and ZOG present with constant provocations against Moscow. I am sure that Mosocw would even recognize and support these chauvinists if they just told NATO to fuck off .

I mean putting oneself on the side of Zionist Poland with Tusk and Sikorski, and then claiming to be a WN?


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In truth, all the efforts of George Soros and the US government pale by comparison to Russia’s ongoing NATO recruitment drive.
Yeah, take the blame off the jews and pin it all on Putin.

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Thus I completely sympathize with the desire of Russia’s neighbors to enter NATO. They would be fools not to.
Of course you do, as you just can't wait to sample some slavic baltic cock as the EU demanded gay parades become a common fixture there. When will you be heading over to march for fag marriage euality in Kiev?


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Every nation must worry about securing its basic sovereignty before it can turn its attention to remoter dangers and larger civilizational issues, and Russia’s former dominions are right to see her as the primary threat.
More nonsense. Fact is no one was dying under Janukovic, his regime wasn't going around West ukraine shelling civilians and killing political opponents, unlike what we have today under democratic zionist junta rule of terror.

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If Russia did not want NATO extended to her borders, she should have been a better neighbor. But it is never too late to start.
Nothing Russia could possibly do short of inviting NATO into Moscow will change NATO's plans.


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Moreover, NATO expansion is not a threat to Russia’s sovereignty and legitimate interests. It is arrant nonsense for Strom to claim — and here he is just following standard Russian propaganda — that the purpose of the “coup” in Ukraine is “to encircle and conquer Russia.” Russia has the second largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, which is enough to deter any conquest. The claim that Russia is in danger of conquest is no more credible than the Jewish claim that “another holocaust” is around the corner if Jews do not get their way – as if Israel’s mountain of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons were not a sufficient deterrent either.
The mere existence of Russia in its current form under it's current leadership is at the very least a minor obstacle to plans of World Jewry so it is better than nothing. Greg would love to eliminate even this weak opposition to globalist tyranny which is why on his site he has banned any reasonable comments on the Ukraine situation which he calls 'Russian propaganda'.


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It would be wonderful if a powerful nation like Russia really were fighting international Jewry and its minions in the name of the self-determination of all peoples. But that is not the case. Strom’s account of the Ukraine-Russia crisis is a tissue of delusions and distortions. But I do not wish to pick on Kevin Strom, who is merely expressing views that are widely held in the White Nationalist community due to intense Russian propaganda efforts. (We should be flattered, I guess, that they think us worthy of deceiving.)

LOL Russian propaganda within American WN circles, is this fag serious? A little paranoid I think

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I have chosen to respond to Strom in particular simply because of the virtues of his argument: as always, he states his views clearly and compellingly. But in this case, he fails to convince.
Oh Strom is 100% on the mark, unlike you turd eater.
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