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It is my viewpoint that National Socialism was a pantheistic and deist Weltanschauung (worldview). I hope you find the various articles, pictures and videos informative.
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Jewish newspaper confirms National Socialists were Deists!

Jews in Germany May Not Register As ‘deists’

December 3, 1940


ZURICH (Nov. 9)

Jews in Germany who have left the Jewish religious community without having adopted the Protestant or Catholic faith and who do not consider themselves atheists must not register as deists (Gottglaeubige), according to a decision of the Reich Executive of the National Socialist Party published in the National Socialist Party Correspondence.

The term deists (Gottglaeubige), the announcement states, denotes exclusively a religious attitude particular to people of the German and kindred races. Any extension of this limit would be equivalent to an internationalization of the belief and would constitute an abuse which must be rejected by the Party Executive.

Jews unwilling to belong any longer to a specific religious community and at the same time declining to consider themselves atheists may give expression to this by stating that they are “not members of a religious community,” the announcement concludes.



Grave of a political leader

"The party symbol in bronze is above the name. The use of the life and death runes is exemplary for believers in god [Gottgläubigen — the Nazi term for those who claimed a vague, but non-Christian, religious belief]. Despite its simplicity, it is a beautiful model."
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"In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (Mein Kampf pg. 496-497)

According to Hitler's own words in Mein Kampf, the Swastika represents order [by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work,] as opposed to chaos and destruction [which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic."]

Order Versus Chaos Dichotomy:

"Order and chaos are two fundamental opposing forces of Nature. What exists, is either evolutionary, or anti-evolutionary. Evolution is a change toward increased order. What is anti-evolutionary is a change toward disorder or chaos.



Evolution may be considered to be positive, and anti-evolution, negative, and while evolution and thus order is beneficial to us, as beings who exist on this planet in our particular solar system, it cannot exist without what we describe as its opposite. Order arises out of chaos, and it returns to chaos in a natural way. However, it has to be understood that in the cosmic sense there is no division - one is necessary for the other; one creates the other; or makes the change of the other possible. There is a fundamental dialectic involved in this natural process - order arises; this declines over time with the intrusion of chaos; and from this decline, further order arises."




Drawing made by Adolf Hitler of a coffin to signify the death of Germany through racial defilement. The two opposing Swastikas representing chaos (left) order (right).
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9. November 1938 - München
Honouring the fallen NS comrades!
9.11.1923 - 9.11.1938 - 9.11.2008



I remember watching a documentary about this ceremony. A martyr's name was announced and the assembled ranks would then all shout - "here!". To signify that the fallen comrade is still alive (literally), in spirit, within the German Volk.

Blutfahne Blutfahne





9 November 1942

Memorial for the Movement’s Dead


“The Eternal Watch” in Munich is a symbol to us of this memory, and also a symbol of eternal life...



Speaker 2: The Führer says:

Truly these sixteen who fell have celebrated a resurrection unique in world history. The miracle is that from their sacrifice came Germany’s unity, the victory of a movement, of an idea, and the devotion of the entire people. All that we owe to these first men! If I had found no one then ready to risk his life, it would have been impossible to find them later. All the subsequent blood sacrifices were inspired by the sacrifice of these first men.

Therefore we raise them out of the darkness of forgetfulness and make them the center of attention of the German people forever.

For us they are not dead. This temple is no crypt, but an eternal watch. Here they stand for Germany, on guard for our people. Here they lie as true martyrs of our movement.

We celebrated this day each year in the past — not always in the same form during the years of persecution — and we are determined that it will be for all times a holiday for the German people. We do this not because sixteen men died. Thousands die daily, even more during an hour of war.

We do it because these sixteen men, with believing hearts, died in a way that helped the German people to rise again.”
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While Hitler was emphatically not "Christian" by the traditional or orthodox notion of the term, wrote Koehne, he did speak of a deity whose work was nature and natural laws, "conflating God and nature to the extent that they became one and the same thing..." and that "For this reason, some recent works have argued Hitler was a Deist".[125]



The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed. The Fuhrer is a convinced vegetarian on principle.
— Goebbels Diaries, 29 December 1939
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Faith and Action

The source: Helmut Stellrecht, Glauben und Handeln. Ein Bekenntnis der jungen Nation (Berlin: Zentralverlag der NSDAP., Franz Eher Nachf., 1943).

Birth and Death

Birth and death are the same; they are the two sides of one door. To enter one room always means leaving another. It depends on which room or which life we are in as to whether we say “entrance” or “exit,” life or death. For he who understands it, death holds no terrors. But he who did not go his proper way in life and sinned will see his guilt in death. But there is after death no place of torture, no hell. To see one’s guilt is the severest judgment and at the same time the greatest penalty. Judgment and punishment are within yourself. Neglected work can only be made up by double effort. It will once more be your choice, either to work toward the world plan, or to be its enemy. That is the only death that there is, to become a force for destruction rather than for creation, and this death is not physical. It is your free choice to decide on which side you belong, on god’s or, to use an old term, “the devil’s.” What we call birth and death is only the door between two worlds. There is no birth and no death, only change, and we can go confidently through the door, for all the worlds were created by one hand.



Nature

The divine is powerful in its creatures. It dwells not in walls that people build. They may be witnesses of its will, but god is in the living. Our ancestors went into the forests to find or to honor god. They greeted his light rising in the morning. That was more to them than a lamp in a man’s hand. They stood on mountain tops because his greatest work, the starry sky, was nearest there, not covered by a roof of stone. The great spring flowing from the mountain was more genuine and nearer to god than anything that could flow from a bottle held by a human hand. Who dares to say that they were not close to the living god? Other peoples may seek refuge in the stone walls of their cities or seek their god in caves. The true German senses god with holy fear in the life of creation. He prays to god by honoring his great works. Who dares to say that God is nearer to us in that which human beings have built? The faith of our fathers remains strong in us. Still today the German wanders through his countryside and is moved by the beauty of the land god has given him. The summits of his mountains give freedom. He feels eternity amidst the sea. Flowing water is to him the image of eternal change. He protects the forest and the tree and the bush as if they were his comrades. He loves the animals that are tortured and tormented in other countries. What to him is part of his household is elsewhere only a possession. He sees and honors in everything god’s creation, in the holy earth, in the wandering wind, in the flickering flames, in which there is always change. Ever again we stand on the summits of the peaks and wave the torch and feel the magnificent and the ineffable. Who dares chide us because our eyes are open?



Our banner flutters before us!
In future we take man for man.
We march for Hitler, by night and by necessity,
With the flag of the youth,
For freedom and bread.
Our banner flutters before us!
Our banner is a new era.
And the flag will lead us into eternity!
Yes, our banner means more to us than death!
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National Socialism As Religion

Thomas Schirrmacher

Abstract: Provides an overview of National Socialism as a rival religion to Christianity. 14 major documents and research literature prove National Socialism not only to be a political party, but to be a faith in salvation and a future kingdom. There even examples of prayers to Hitler and of plans to establish the Hitler cult as the only religion in Europe once the war was won.



National Socialism as Religion

by Dr. Thomas Schirrmacher
Chalcedon Report 1992


Because of our short time I cannot go on to quote further examples. You have to believe me that there are hundreds and thousands of documents like this. I also want to assure you also that the religious overtone does not come from my translation. The case is just the opposite: I found it difficult to translate the strongly religious language into English.

These shocking songs, prayers and confessions were no secret, but part of everyday life in Nazi Germany...

Hysterical German Christian (I presume) can't quite contain himself to spread the shocking news.
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The Oath to Adolf Hitler

Speech by Rudolf Hess on 25 February 1934





You take an oath to a man whom you know follows the laws of providence, which he obeys independently of the influence of earthly powers, who leads the German people rightly, and who will guide Germany’s fate. Through your oath you bind yourselves to a man who — that is our faith — was sent to us by higher powers. Do not seek Adolf Hitler with your mind. You will find him through the strength of your hearts!

Adolf Hitler is Germany and Germany is Adolf Hitler. He who takes an oath to Hitler takes an oath to Germany!

Swear to great Germany, to whose sons and daughters throughout the world I send our best wishes.

[Throughout Germany people take the oath.]

This has been the greatest common taking of an oath in history!

We greet the Führer!




"We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with a wild god."

"He belongs in the category of authentic wizards. His body does not suggest strength. He has in his eyes the expression of a prophet. His power is not absolutely political, it is magical. Hitler listens and obeys. The true leader is always one who is well led. The idea is confirmed by the word "Madhi", the Islamic Messiah, which translates to 'He who is well led'.

Carl Gustav Jung (1875 – 1961)
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Document 098-PS, in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume III, US Government Printing Office, Washington DC: 1946, pp. 152-157.

NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN LABOR PARTY

Munich, 33, Brown house at present Berlin,
22 Feb 1940

Deputy of the Fuehrer Staff Leader
Mr. Reich leader Alfred Rosenberg
Berlin W 35 Margareten Str. 17
Chancellery Rosenberg,

24 Feb 1940 rec. No. 555 copy AR and Urban St



Directions for the administration of classes in religion

"What, in my opinion, is therefore necessary is the preparation of a short directive about a national socialist life formulation. We need for the work of education in the party, especially also in the Hitler Youth a short resume in which the ethical principles are documented, to respect which each German boy and girl, who at one time will be representatives of the national socialistic Germany, must be educated. In such a directive for instance belongs the- law of bravery, the law against cowardness, the commandment of love for the soulful nature in which God makes himself apparent also in the animal and the plant, a commandment to keep the blood pure; many principles also belong here which are for instance also contained in the decalogue of the Old Testament, as far as they can be regarded as moral principles of all people's life."

Martin Bormann was not an atheist. He was in fact a deist! As this document proves.

The fall out between Bormann and Rosenberg is documented in this free online book. The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945


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Apart from the insane comment about Goring's suicide, a good video.

"Do you know that your Führer is a vegetarian, and that he does not eat meat because of his general attitude toward life and his love for the world of animals? Do you know that your Führer is an exemplary friend of animals, and even as a chancellor, he is not separated from the animals he has kept for years?...The Führer is an ardent opponent of any torture of animals, in particular vivisection, and has declared to terminate those conditions...thus fulfilling his role as the savior of animals, from continuous and nameless torments and pain"

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Lab animals giving the Nazi salute to Hermann Göring for his order to ban vivisection. Caricature from Kladderadatsch, a satirical journal, September 1933. Göring prohibited vivisection and said that those who "still think they can continue to treat animals as inanimate property" will be sent to concentration camps.[7]

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Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944 Free online pdf book

When one says that God provokes the lightning, that's true in a sense; but what is certain is that God does not direct the thunderbolt, as the Church claims. The Church's explanation of natural phenomena is an abuse, for the Church has ulterior interests. True piety is the characteristic of the being who is aware of his weakness and ignorance. Whoever sees God only in an oak or in a tabernacle, instead of seeing him every-where, is not truly pious.
page 84




"There are some who say the world is evil, and that they wish
to depart from this life. For my part, I like the world ! Unless
the desire to die is due to a lover's quarrel, I advise the desperate
man to have patience for a year. The consolations will come.
But if a human being has any other reason to wish to die than
this, then let him die, I'm not stopping him. I merely call
attention to the fact that one cannot escape this world entirely.
The elements of which our body is made belong to the cycle of
nature; and as for our soul, it's possible that it might return to
limbo, until it gets an opportunity to reincarnate itself.
But it
would vex me if everybody wanted to have done with life."

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How good is Hitler's Table Talk?

David Irving replies:

Hitler's Table Talk is the product of his lunch- and supper-time conversations in his private circle from 1941 to 1944. The transcripts are genuine. (Ignore the 1945 "transcripts" published by Trevor-Roper in the 1950s as Hitler's Last Testament -- they are fake)...

...The Table Talks' content is more important in my view than Hitler's Mein Kampf, and possibly even more than his Zweites Buch (1928). It is unadulterated Hitler. He expatiates on virtually every subject under the sun, while his generals and private staff sit patiently and listen, or pretend to listen, to the monologues.


Opinion is very much divided whether transcripts from Table Talks are accurate, or that they are an outright forgery. But the two quotes I have reproduced here (and there is more in the book) are spiritually correct from a National Socialist perspective. They are both pantheistic and deist. Those that object to the book's authenticity, I have found are either 'Christian' or 'atheist' National Socialists - a contradiction in terms. The fact these people have misunderstood National Socialism (or worse they have bastardised it) hardly makes them credible critics to begin with. If the book is indeed a forgery, then the author that penned it knew what he was talking about. At least from a spiritual perspective.
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The Myth of the Twentieth Century Free online pdf book



“Thou shalt love God in all living things, animals and plants.”

These words were pronounced by Alfred Rosenberg, before being executed in Nuremberg in 1946.

The_Myth_of_the_Twentieth_Century The_Myth_of_the_Twentieth_Century



Thanks to Nazi support, the book had sold more than one million copies by 1944. However, Adolf Hitler is said never to have read the book,[7] and declared that it wasn't to be considered the official ideology of the Nazi Party:

“ I must insist that Rosenberg's "The Myth of the Twentieth Century" is not to be regarded as an expression of the official doctrine of the party. The moment the book appeared, I deliberately refrained from recognizing it as any such thing. In the first place, its title gives a completely false impression... a National Socialist should affirm that to the myth of the nineteenth century he opposes the faith and science of our times... I have myself merely glanced cursorily at it.[3]

According to Konrad Heiden, Rosenberg had given the manuscript to Hitler to vet before its publication. After a year Hitler still had nothing to say. Hitler gave the still-unread work back to him saying, "I feel sure that it's all right."[8] In his diary Joseph Goebbels called the book "I believe, very good" when he first read it.[9] Albert Speer however remembered that Goebbels mocked Alfred Rosenberg.[10] Goebbels also called the book a "philosophical belch".[11][12]


The greatest hurdle the National Socialists had to overcome was not the twin forces of international Bolshevism and global finance. It was in fact Christianity! Alfred Rosenberg wrote the Myth of the Twentieth Century, a synthesis of NS spirituality and revisionist Christianity, in a futile attempt at winning over Christian Germans to the NS ideology. The book was universally ridiculed by the National Socialist leadership at the time, including Martin Bormann. Still, the book is well worth a read because it is littered with deistic and pantheist comments.



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The National Socialist Religion by David Myatt

1) That there exists an eternal creator, or 'God', and that this being creates, or can create, order from chaos. Order is the very life of this being. Order itself is a new, a better, more evolved, or more excellent, arrangement of things.



2) That organic life itself is an expression, or manifestation, of the order which the living 'God' creates, and is thus an expression of the life, the spirit, of the eternal creator.

3) That change is a natural part of the evolution of order from chaos and that this, for organic life, involves the organic process of birth-life-death-renewal.



4) That death is not the final end of life, but the beginning of further change, a renewal of the cosmic order itself.



5) That what we call Nature is 'God' - the order created by this being - made manifest on this planet we call Earth. The creative force, or energy, which is present in Nature, and which produces, and causes changes in, living things - including ourselves - is the eternal creator, living and evolving, that is, creating more order.



6) That we, as individuals, are the eternal creator - the very cosmos itself - made manifest. We sentient beings are the striving of the living God for more cosmic order.



7) That our evolution, as human beings, is an increase in the cosmic order and expresses the purpose, the life, or the will of the eternal creator. Thus the striving, or struggle, for order (or excellence) - for evolution toward higher forms - here on this planet, is how the 'God' works in Nature, and is thus natural and necessary, for without it, there would be no order and no evolution toward higher forms.



8) That 'God' exists, or functions, in us through honour (or fairness), through curiosity (or reason) and through conquest (or triumph of individual will).

Thus, an honourable individual is someone who is doing the will, or accomplishing the work, of the eternal creator.


"My Honour Is Loyalty"

9) That race and excellence of individual character express the will of this divine being - of this being working through Nature to bring more order, more diversity and more difference through evolution.



Peruvian neo-Nazi leader urges expulsion of Jews


Japanese right-wingers celebrate Hitler's birthday

Thus, race is one way in which 'God' is manifest to us, as human beings on this planet of ours. Race thus expresses the essence of out humanity - of what makes us human. To preserve, and to further evolve, each race is to act in accord with the will, the purpose, of the Almighty, while to undermine or seek to destroy race and racial difference and diversity, is to act against the will of the eternal creator. Each unique race can and should evolve according to its own unique nature.


10) That the Aryan race has been given a special mission by the eternal creator who has endowed this race, though Nature and evolution, with the gift of a unique character which is representative of 'God' itself. This nature is expressed in the honour, curiosity and conquest of the Aryan peoples, and made manifest by the civilization which Aryans create when they live according to their divine nature.



The unique and special destiny of the Aryan race is to bring the divine light of civilization into the world, and to spread this light - the honour and the reason of civilization, out into the cosmos itself by venturing forth to explore and colonize the star-systems of the cosmos.



11) That the unique destiny of the Aryan - and the unique importance of race and excellence of individual character - was first revealed to us by Adolf Hitler, and that the life, work and death of Adolf Hitler was a manifestation, on this planet of ours, of the eternal creator.



"You take an oath to a man whom you know follows the laws of providence, which he obeys independently of the influence of earthly powers, who leads the German people rightly, and who will guide Germany’s fate. Through your oath you bind yourselves to a man who — that is our faith — was sent to us by higher powers. Do not seek Adolf Hitler with your mind. You will find him through the strength of your hearts!"

Speech by Rudolf Hess on 25 February 1934
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There is, of course, an organization dedicated to promoting the religious dimension of Adolf Hitler's National-Socialism: the NEW ORDER, led by Matt Koehl (successor to George Lincoln Rockwell).

See, especially, the "NS Spirituality" section of their website:
http://www.theneworder.org/national-...s-spirituality
Click on the subject lines on the lefthand side to read specific pages.

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This is confirmed by what I read in Richard Evans's books on the Third Reich. The National Socialists were not too unfriendly to the Church, because most Germans were Christian, but as time went on they persecuted the church, especially Catholics, more and more.

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It also says that NS were encouraged to register themselves as deists.
 
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There is, of course, an organization dedicated to promoting the religious dimension of Adolf Hitler's National-Socialism: the NEW ORDER, led by Matt Koehl (successor to George Lincoln Rockwell).

See, especially, the NS Spirituality section of their website:
http://www.theneworder.org/national-...s-spirituality
Click on the subject lines on the lefthand side to read specific pages.

HWR!
Very good. Thanks for posting.

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The Message of the Swastika

THESE ARE the eight (8) qualitative properties represented by the Good Sign, the God Sign — our sacred SWASTIKA:

1. TRUTH

2. RIGHT

3. ORDER

4. HARMONY

5. BEAUTY

6. CREATIVITY

7. FRUITFULNESS

8. GOOD

They point the way to a better world. FOLLOW THIS WAY!


Quote:
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GOD sleeps in the rock,

breathes in the plant,

dreams in the animal

and awakens in man.
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Can you spot the difference?



These identical twins are exactly alike. They have the exact same features. The same eye and hair colour, facial features, and body type. The reason for this, of course, is that they both share the same DNA. That is why they are identical twins. Obviously!

Identical twins do not share the same individual consciousness. They are two separate living beings. Albeit sharing the same DNA sequence. DNA alone is not responsible for individual consciousness. Think about it!

I believe that matter and spirit co-exist in a symbiotic relationship, and that every living thing contains a 'spark' of the divine. That's why I am a deist and National Socialist.

If 'spirit' doesn't exist, and is simply the product of an irrational and superstitious mind, then what exactly is responsible for individual consciousness I ask? Identical twins, triplets and cloning prove that DNA alone isn't directly responsible for individual consciousness. There is another component, something missing, as yet not recognised by science (it was recognised in NS Germany), and it is called spirit. The opposite of matter. Something which cannot be observed under a microscope but yet exists in every living thing.


The search for 'me'.
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If 'spirit' doesn't exist, and is simply the product of an irrational and superstitious mind, then what exactly is responsible for individual consciousness I ask? Identical twins, triplets and cloning prove that DNA alone isn't directly responsible for individual consciousness. There is another component, not recognised by science, and it is called spirit. The opposite of matter.
Which is "Hort Wessel Lied" comprised of?
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