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Old December 23rd, 2007 #1
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Are Ethiopians, Somalis, and Eritreans White? They are classified as Caucasian by anthropologists since they have features similar to Europeans even though their skin is dark. It could be the case that they didn't develop lighter skin because they stayed in Africa while the other Whites migrated to Europe and developed lighter skin because of the colder weather. The Ancient Egyptians traced their origins to Ethiopia, which explains why they had Caucasian features but reddish brown skin. Some pictures of people from that region:





























Nordic woman standing next to an Ethiopian woman:

 
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Are Ethiopians, Somalis, and Eritreans White? They are classified as Caucasian by anthropologists since they have features similar to Europeans even though their skin is dark. It could be the case that they didn't develop lighter skin because they stayed in Africa while the other Whites migrated to Europe and developed lighter skin because of the colder weather. The Ancient Egyptians traced their origins to Ethiopia, which explains why they had Caucasian features but reddish brown skin.
No way can they be considered White. While they don't have the classical Negroid features of nappy hair, pug noses and mambo lips, their skin is too dark. Using the David Lane rule, they're black.
 
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They have some white admixture probably. That doesn't make them white by our standards.

The ancient Egyptians were pretty white for a long period of time: http://white-history.com/hwr8.htm http://white-history.com/hwr8c.htm

they were not brown as you suggest:

“The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.” (‘The Ra Expeditions’, Thor Heyerdahl, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971, p.249)
"A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a vivid blue-green color of eyes.” (‘A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the British Museum’, London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49)
“The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.” (‘Tutankhamen, The Golden Monarch’, Michael Carter, N.Y. 1972 p.68)
“Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.” (‘Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt’, Henry George Tomkins, Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII, 1889, p.216)
“A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored ones.” (‘L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale’, De Lapouge, G. Vacher,. Paris, Pichat, 1899, p.26)
“Amenhotep III's tomb painting shows him as having light red hair.” (‘Ancient Egypt, Discovering its Splendors’, National Geographic Society, 1978 p.103)
“An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.” (‘Life of the Ancient Egyptians’, Eugen Strouhal, Norman, Oklahoma, University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53)
“A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called Wedjat Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue" in Egyptian. Queen Thi is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and blond hair.” (‘Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil’, E.T. Hamy, Bulletin de la Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739)
“Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red hair and blue eyes.” (‘Historia del Arte Vol III’, Jose Pijoan, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932, plate XI)
“The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.”(‘Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne’, H. Champollion, Marseille, Musee Boreby, 1973 p.94)
“A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking man with blond hair.” (‘Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient Egypt’, Wolfhart Westendorf, New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65)

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While were on this topic I'd like to know if dark skinned Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc. are considered White. Ive been thinking about this for awhile after someone on another forum said that they were mixed with Negroid blood, and Im half dark-skinned Italian.
 
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Supposedly the "missing link" is the bushmen tribe of South Africa, who look like negroes with slightly slanted eyes and have remained primitive (ape-like) for thousands of years. Ethiopians are slightly more human-like, with human-like skulls and some other human-like features (still have the nappy hair and shitskin though). They even eat food similar to the Indians, who are much closer to civilization. Ethiopians are probably the most developed negroes, so much so that it's not quite fair to lump them in with the dregs of West Africa, near the bottom of the barrel. They're closer to the Dravidians, who are the lowest class of India.

The most primitive "human" offshoots are the Aboriginals of Australia, who have the lowest IQs in the world.
 
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While were on this topic I'd like to know if dark skinned Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc. are considered White. Ive been thinking about this for awhile after someone on another forum said that they were mixed with Negroid blood, and Im half dark-skinned Italian.
It depends. When you look in the mirror do you see a White man, an Arab (mixed race) or a nigger?

I know some Italians for Milan and Rome. The one from Milan looks more White than the Roman man, but they are both White in my book. However, I find that Italians and other southern Europeans tend not to identify with the White label and prefer to refer to themselves by their nationality. At the same time they are absolutely offended by the suggestion they are related to negroes and arabs.
 
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They have some white admixture probably. That doesn't make them white by our standards.

The ancient Egyptians were pretty white for a long period of time: http://white-history.com/hwr8.htm http://white-history.com/hwr8c.htm

they were not brown as you suggest:

“The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.” (‘The Ra Expeditions’, Thor Heyerdahl, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971, p.249)
"A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a vivid blue-green color of eyes.” (‘A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the British Museum’, London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49)
“The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.” (‘Tutankhamen, The Golden Monarch’, Michael Carter, N.Y. 1972 p.68)
“Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.” (‘Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt’, Henry George Tomkins, Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII, 1889, p.216)
“A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored ones.” (‘L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale’, De Lapouge, G. Vacher,. Paris, Pichat, 1899, p.26)
“Amenhotep III's tomb painting shows him as having light red hair.” (‘Ancient Egypt, Discovering its Splendors’, National Geographic Society, 1978 p.103)
“An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.” (‘Life of the Ancient Egyptians’, Eugen Strouhal, Norman, Oklahoma, University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53)
“A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called Wedjat Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue" in Egyptian. Queen Thi is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and blond hair.” (‘Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil’, E.T. Hamy, Bulletin de la Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739)
“Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red hair and blue eyes.” (‘Historia del Arte Vol III’, Jose Pijoan, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932, plate XI)
“The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.”(‘Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne’, H. Champollion, Marseille, Musee Boreby, 1973 p.94)
“A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking man with blond hair.” (‘Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient Egypt’, Wolfhart Westendorf, New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65)
Blonde or red hair found on some Ancient Egyptian mummies is not evidence at all that the Ancient Egyptians had such hair. Human hair naturally changes color and becomes lighter over thousands of years because the cells in it decompose. If the Ancient Egyptians really had such hair, they would have depicted themselves with blonde or red hair in their hieroglyphics, but instead we find that they depicted themselves with reddish brown skin and black hair, just like the Ethiopians. Notice how in they depicted themselves as darker skinned than the Syrians and Libyans both of whom are Arabs. So, if they were light skinned, they would have depicted themselves that way, rather than as a reddish brown hue:



Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, and Egyptian.
 
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I'm not qualified to answer the question about if you are mixed or not. We all know about the Moors, allegations about mixing with non-white slaves, and etc. That is a matter of historical debate and the use of reliable genetic testing.

My opinion is that Europeans (in Europe) should seek to preserve their nationality and not identify with a generic label of being merely 'white'. You can stay within your own nationality and work to better the quality of people you have.

That doesn't mean you can't identify your racial cousins in Europe as being part of the same family of people who share the most common roots, of course.

In America, our priorities are a bit different... does the average White put a whole lot of significance towards the nationality of who they are bedding down with? We just recognize each other as white, for the most part. We really do not have the basis of separating ourselves any further than just being white.

If you don't wake up in the morning feeling like a , then you are white for all practical purposes.
 
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Supposedly the "missing link" is the bushmen tribe of South Africa, who look like negroes with slightly slanted eyes and have remained primitive (ape-like) for thousands of years. Ethiopians are slightly more human-like, with human-like skulls and some other human-like features (still have the nappy hair and shitskin though). They even eat food similar to the Indians, who are much closer to civilization. Ethiopians are probably the most developed negroes, so much so that it's not quite fair to lump them in with the dregs of West Africa, near the bottom of the barrel. They're closer to the Dravidians, who are the lowest class of India.

The most primitive "human" offshoots are the Aboriginals of Australia, who have the lowest IQs in the world.
I don't think skin color makes that much of a difference. What makes a difference in determining race is skull shape and facial morphology. Skin color has no role in determining intelligence or anything like that. European Whites just have lighter skin because of the colder environment in Europe and Ethiopians have darker skin because they stayed in a warmer region of the world. They still have Caucasian skull shapes and facial features. Hair and skin color are minor things really when determining race.

When West African Blacks mix with other races, their offspring still have wide noses and big lips as well as nappy hair, so Ethiopians could not be the result of Blacks and Whites mixing since they would still have big lips. Rather, they are a group of White people that have developed darker skin by living in a warmer climate. Also, Ethiopians, Somalis, and Eritreans possess the genes for blue eyes, but it's a recessive trait so it doesn't surface very much. Here are some pictures of Ethiopians and Somalis with naturally blue eyes:



 
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No way can they be considered White. While they don't have the classical Negroid features of nappy hair, pug noses and mambo lips, their skin is too dark. Using the David Lane rule, they're black.
Good answer.
what is the David Lane rule?
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People from the Horn of Africa are a complete mixture of Hamitic Whites (a very distinct race akin the original of which the whole white race descends from), Nilotic Negroes (among all but Somalis), Semitic Whites (among Tigre and Amhara peoples) and Bantu Negroes (among Somalis). The whitest are the Amhara, the blackest are the Oromo. Every single individual, however, is de-facto mixed race (mullatto)...
 
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Ethiopians, Somalis, and Eritreans are sandniggers! Somalians are lazy niggers everywhere they go they leech the host nation like jews.
 
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Even if you can ignore the darkness of the skin, he still has nappy hair.

While hair color doesn't distinguish race I think the texture does.
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People from the Horn of Africa are a complete mixture of 1Hamitic Whites (a very distinct race akin the original of which the whole white race descends from), 2Nilotic Negroes (among all but Somalis), 3Semitic Whites (among Tigre and Amhara peoples) and 4Bantu Negroes (among Somalis). The whitest are the Amhara, the blackest are the Oromo. Every single individual, however, is de-facto mixed race (mullatto)...

1. What is a Hamitic White?
What do they look like? Are there any pictures of one?
Are they extinct thru mongrelization?

2. What is the difference between Nilotic negroes and regular niggers?

3. What is a Semitic White?
What do they look like? Are there any pictures of one?
Are they extinct thru mongrelization?

4. Bantu negroes are basically pure unmixed regular niggers right?

5. The bushmen nigs of south african desert seem to be even more subhuman than reg. niggers. They are classified as a different race. Their skin look more red and yellow along with regular nig brown.

6. I know Australian aborigines are very primitive but why is their hair less nappy than niggers? Shouldn't they be more advance due their more human like hair?
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David Lanes rule is the idea that if someone looks White, thinks and feels White and fights for White, they qualify as White. Basically its means using the "14 Words" as a standard of ones ideology, which is a way of keeping kike lies and dissension out of the ranks of White Nationalist interests.
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I don't think skin color makes that much of a difference.
"... that much ..."! Weasel words!

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What makes a difference in determining race is skull shape and facial morphology.
Reductionism in anthropology is ridiculous. What makes a difference in determining race is the organism in its entirety.

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Skin color has no role in determining intelligence or anything like that.
And yet skin colour is a reliable indicator of mean IQ.

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European Whites just have lighter skin because of the colder environment in Europe and Ethiopians have darker skin because they stayed in a warmer region of the world.
Sorry, take your out-of-Africa myth and shove it. Ethiopians have heavily pigmented skin because they are mongrels.

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They still have Caucasian skull shapes and facial features.
Heavily interspersed with with various dubious features. Mestizzos resemble Caucasians more closely than these creatures.

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Hair and skin color are minor things really when determining race.
Caucasoids do not have wool on their heads (it is quite literally wool) and skin of that pigmentation. End of story. Genetics proves that the people of this region are mongrels.





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Blonde or red hair found on some Ancient Egyptian mummies is not evidence at all that the Ancient Egyptians had such hair.

Numerous mummies with hair still attached to the skulls show that straight, wavy, or lightly curled hair types were common in ancient Egypt. For example, in a study (Titlbachova and Titlbach, 1977)involving detailed microscopic investigation of hair samples taken from several ancient Egyptian mummies, most were determined to have been naturally straight, wavy, or gently curled, with a roundish cross-section typical of modern Eurasian and North African peoples. Only a minority showed evidence of structural characteristics traditionally called "Negroid"; even in these the "Negroid" elements were weakly manifested.
Joann Fletcher, a consultant to the Bioanthropology Foundation in the UK, in what she calls an "absolute, thorough study of all ancient Egyptian hair samples" — relied on various techniques, such as electron microscopy and chromatography to analyze hair samples http://www.geocities.com/enbp/refs.html#parks_2000(Parks, 2000). She discovered that most of the natural hair types and those used for hairpieces were made of what she calls "Caucasian-type" hair, including even instances of blonde and red hair. Fletcher surmises that some of the lighter hair types may have been influenced by the presence of ancient Libyans and Greeks in ancient Egypt. However, this type of hair was also found to be present in much earlier times.


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Human hair naturally changes color and becomes lighter over thousands of years because the cells in it decompose.
If that were the case we wouldn't have numerous dark-haired mummies of the same age.

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If the Ancient Egyptians really had such hair, they would have depicted themselves with blonde or red hair in their hieroglyphics,
What are these then? Figments of my imgination?





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but instead we find that they depicted themselves with reddish brown skin and black hair,
They would have, because they were Mediterraneans.

Minoans







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just like the Ethiopians.
Arrian on India:

The southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.

Strabo on India:

As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.

Both classical authors specifically distinguish between the physical appearance of Ethiopians and Egyptians.

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Notice how in they depicted themselves as darker skinned than the
For non-symbolic purposes they generally depicted themselves with exactly the same tone as they depicted Minoans. This is significant.



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Syrians and Libyans both of whom are Arabs.
The historical inhabitants of Syria and Lybia were not Arabs. The Syrian depicted here in particular is "white".

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So, if they were light skinned, they would have depicted themselves that way, rather than as a reddish brown hue:
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Ramses IX



Menkauhor, 5th Dynasty



Scribe, Fourth Dynasty



Seneb, 4th/5th Dynasty



Thutmose III



Nefertari





Ramses III

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Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, and Egyptian.
Ramses II



Seti I



Ramses III



The "Elder Lady" (possibly Nefertiti)



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6. I know Australian aborigines are very primitive but why is their hair less nappy than niggers? Shouldn't they be more advance due their more human like hair?
Nigger "hair" is a development unique to niggers, negritos, hottentots et al. which does not date back to an ancestor we share with them. Humans have real hair, like their Australoid (read: a species of Homo erectus) and anthropoid relatives.
 
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People from the Horn of Africa are a complete mixture of Hamitic Whites (a very distinct race akin the original of which the whole white race descends from), Nilotic Negroes (among all but Somalis), Semitic Whites (among Tigre and Amhara peoples) and Bantu Negroes (among Somalis). The whitest are the Amhara, the blackest are the Oromo. Every single individual, however, is de-facto mixed race (mullatto)...
Here is an Amhara woman:

She is clearly a mud.

Here are a two Omoros:

Obviously negroid.
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The U.S. is unfortunately controlled by jews, and in their attempt to muddy the matter, they have come up with a deliberately false way of classifying people.

If any of your niggers shown in the photos ever walked down the street, everyone (niggers and Whites and jews too) would consider them niggers. However, the US census bureau would consider them "White".


Another reason they do this is because they (the kikes) don't want a separate classification for themselves. Imagine how the discussion would shift if jews had a separate classification under the heading "Middle Eastern". Jews want to meld into our society as much as possible in order to go about their destructive ways un-identified. Separating themselves in our racial classification would be counter to these ends.

Do you doubt this? Go as an Arab if he thinks he's White. I can guarantee he'll say "no".

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David Lanes rule is the idea that if someone looks White, thinks and feels White and fights for White, they qualify as White. Basically its means using the "14 Words" as a standard of ones ideology, which is a way of keeping kike lies and dissension out of the ranks of White Nationalist interests.
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Thank you Karl .
As we all can guess , such rule will lead the Jews right into the ranks of White Nationalists , but this is realy off topic.
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