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Dear readers of VNN and forum:

The book "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History by E. Michael Jones" is now in stock and Mike Jones can fill orders at this time.



This is a book the Jews tried desperately to keep from being published. The SPLC has smeared, slandered, and interfered with many contracts and relationships to try and keep it off the bound and written page.

Written books have a totemistic importance for Jews, who whoreship their precious scrolls and Talmud. Even the non-observant atheist Jew like Dershovitz makes a living off of them.

People who wish to inoculate themselves against Jews and their Judaizing memes must understand the history of conflict between Jews, a people defined and guided by a tribal religion, and the rest of the Gentile nations, particularly those of our own European ancestors. This book will help you understand the Jews and their mischief whether or not your religious views are those of an observant Roman Catholic or Protestant, or on the other hand an atheist student of evolutionary psychology. I encourage you all to consider buying this book.


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On a personal note, I am sorry that I do not have the time to come and visit this exciting forum more often but I am getting to be a geezer and the daily responsibilities of life press in upon me. I extend to all of you my best wishes especially to the alte kampfen here who I still see posting like Rob aka Kievsky. And I know that there are many other good friends here still active. I wish you all a happy summer and if I have not had the time to talk to any of you recently know that I still have the fondest memories of you all. Ave fratrem meum et vale.
 
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sonovagun the google spiders have picked this thread up already.

buy the book

some reviews are on their way, working themselves through the networks
 
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somebody should read the book and update the wolzek timeline

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from culture wars website,

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Excerpts from reviews of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History ($48 + S&H) by E. Michael Jones, Ph.D.

"The Kielce Pogrom, for example, has been wrongly used to show evidence of Polish actions to exterminate Jews. Jones's magisterial volume is a marvelous antidote to such 'conventional wisdom' in relation to Jewish history in general. May it change hearts and minds." Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski, author of Jews in Poland: A Documentary History; Poland: An Illustrated History and Poland: A Historical Atlas.

"Dr. E. Michael Jones daringly deals with a most taboo topic that should send shivers up the spines of respectable members of today's Catholic Church, as he expresses views that prevailed in the past. Even when one cannot concur with his major interpretations, he provides ideas that require some thought to refute (in that they always contain elements of truth) and should not be written off in the name of ecumenical PC ... Jones writes in a felicitous manner, and draws attention to rarely mentioned religious and historical facts." Stephen J. Sniegoski, Ph.D, author of The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel.

"The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones is a monumental book which scoops two thousand years of troublesome relations between Christendom and the Jews, and endeavors to connect Jewish strategies of permanent revolution with the permanent Jewish rebellion against Christ (=Logos). This timely book may help to regain the lost balance between Judaic and Christian tendencies in the Western mind." Israel Shamir, author of Flowers of Galilee and Cabbala of Power.

"If you are thirsting for truth, tired of political correctness, and unafraid to delve into what the rest of society sees as a forbidden area of knowledge ... then E. Michael Jones's book will simply not allow you to stop turning its pages ... This book will give you the key to understanding our turbulent, godless and agenda-driven modern civilization as no book before it has done, or shall we say, had the courage to do." Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D, author of Not by Faith Alone: A Biblical Study of the Catholic Doctrine of Justification.

"Jones shows how the cultural war that has been going on for a little more than forty years between Catholics and Jews has been characterized by a long string of victories for the Jewish side. He points out that the Jews with whom the liberal Catholic prelates and intellectuals engage in 'dialogue' are not creatures of the Torah, which is the Word of God, but of the Talmud, which is the Rabbinical system put in place in later times to, among other things, coerce Jews from converting to Christianity." Professor David O'Connell, author of Francois Mauriac Revisited and Louis Ferdinand Celine.
 
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Will be discussing on Radio Istina on Tuesday 7/29/08.

Jones changed his title from The Revolutionary Jew, he softened it to spirit. In a way it was necessary to keep with his conceit that the problem with jews is not that they are jews but that they rejected Christ. If it can be proved that jews acted long before Christ the way they act long after Christ -- stirring up trouble, as he documents over 1,000+ pages -- then his thesis falls apart. The undeniable fact is, just look at Jacob and Esau, in which the kike slickster tricks HIS OWN BROTHER out of his inheritance, the jews were, are, and will be as long as we allow them to exist - a shitrace.

Here's Jones's page of review clips:

Excerpts from reviews of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History ($48 + S&H) by E. Michael Jones, Ph.D.

" to the mortification of decent Jews like myself, Jews are often on the vanguard when it comes to trashing Christian mores and human dignity, and creating dysfunction whether its undermining gender and marriage or peddling promiscuity, pornography or abortion. Organized Jewry has sought to portray man as inhabiting a mechanistic universe devoid of inherent design and meaning. In this view, God is an impotent fool who neglects His creation, and Christianity is fogbound superstition. Organized Jewry has used our idealism to deceive us with Socialism, Communism and Zionism. But to warn Jews of this deceit now constitutes "anti-Semitism." Surely, Jewish leaders who start wars are the real anti-Semites. They create anti-Semitism to keep ordinary Jews in line. Jones is the foremost scholar of our time and predicament. This is because he studies the masterful Masonic-Jewish takeover of Western civilization now almost complete. For a complete history of the New World Order from its inception over 2000 years ago, I recommend The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit." Henry Makow, Ph.D., rense.com.

"The Kielce Pogrom, for example, has been wrongly used to show evidence of Polish actions to exterminate Jews. Jones's magisterial volume is a marvelous antidote to such 'conventional wisdom' in relation to Jewish history in general. May it change hearts and minds." Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski, author of Jews in Poland: A Documentary History; Poland: An Illustrated History and Poland: A Historical Atlas.

"Dr. E. Michael Jones daringly deals with a most taboo topic that should send shivers up the spines of respectable members of today's Catholic Church, as he expresses views that prevailed in the past. Even when one cannot concur with his major interpretations, he provides ideas that require some thought to refute (in that they always contain elements of truth) and should not be written off in the name of ecumenical PC ... Jones writes in a felicitous manner, and draws attention to rarely mentioned religious and historical facts." Stephen J. Sniegoski, Ph.D., author of The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel.

"The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones is a monumental book which scoops two thousand years of troublesome relations between Christendom and the Jews, and endeavors to connect Jewish strategies of permanent revolution with the permanent Jewish rebellion against Christ (=Logos). This timely book may help to regain the lost balance between Judaic and Christian tendencies in the Western mind." Israel Shamir, author of Flowers of Galilee and Cabbala of Power.

"If you are thirsting for truth, tired of political correctness, and unafraid to delve into what the rest of society sees as a forbidden area of knowledge ... then E. Michael Jones's book will simply not allow you to stop turning its pages ... This book will give you the key to understanding our turbulent, godless and agenda-driven modern civilization as no book before it has done, or shall we say, had the courage to do." Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D., author of Not by Faith Alone: A Biblical Study of the Catholic Doctrine of Justification.

"Jones shows how the cultural war that has been going on for a little more than forty years between Catholics and Jews has been characterized by a long string of victories for the Jewish side. He points out that the Jews with whom the liberal Catholic prelates and intellectuals engage in 'dialogue' are not creatures of the Torah, which is the Word of God, but of the Talmud, which is the Rabbinical system put in place in later times to, among other things, coerce Jews from converting to Christianity." Professor David O'Connell, author of Francois Mauriac Revisited and Louis Ferdinand Celine.

I have been reading your book non-stop from various sections, sampling the banquet like a loathsome old glutton, and I have to tell you I believe you will make history with this work. I can't think of another book by a Catholic writer of whom that could be said. This magnificent achievement, and this possibly alone, will be seen I believe now and after we are gone as the first serious 'shot' (and what a shot!) in the counterrevolution, which our children and grandchildren will, alas, inherit. You have written in exactly the right tone - one of enviable calm, reasoned scholarship; and your copious, careful documentation, it seems to me, unearths what amounts to the most devastating indictment of the revolutionaries who are subverting not only the Church and Catholic nations but all good, decent moral order; all the while you take pains many times to exculpate the many good ordinary Jews who suffered because of their imputed identification with such a disproportionate number of their people involved in the violent works of subversion, especially, but not only, in Russia where tens of millions of Christians and others died. Had this massive work been available some years ago I might have spared making such an ass of myself on the subject. Congratulations. This work is akin to Gibson's Passion of the Christ - which reminded the whole world of the Passion (!) when all seemed forgotten in the darkness of the Nihil - and which is still circulating the earth on DVD even into forbidden places. Stephen Hand, A Letter to E. Michael Jones.

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A Letter to E. Michael Jones

The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its impact on World History

I have been reading your book non-stop from various sections, sampling the banquet like a loathsome old glutton, and I have to tell you I believe you will make history with this work. I can't think of another book by a Catholic writer of whom that could be said. This magnificent achievement, and this possibly alone, will be seen I believe now and after we are gone as the first serious 'shot' (and what a shot!) in the counterrevolution, which our children and grandchildren will, alas, inherit.

You have written in exactly the right tone----one of enviable calm, reasoned scholarship; and your copious, careful documentation, it seems to me, unearths what amounts to the most devastating indictment of the revolutionaries who are subverting not only the Church and Catholic nations but all good, decent moral order; all the while you take pains many times to exculpate the many good ordinary Jews who suffered because of their imputed identification with such a disproportionate number of their people involved in the violent works of subversion, especially, but not only, in Russia where tens of millions of Christians and others died.

I think many, many people, friend and foe, students and scholars, once they see that this work is "out there," (and they must see it, please God!) will not be able to resist getting it, and, as Robert Sungenis said, they are in for a jaw-dropping revelation of what till now has been mostly hid.

Had this massive work been available some years ago I might have spared making such an ass of myself on the subject. Congratulations. "Where sin abounds grace much more abounds". How God strikes with a rod of iron just when it all seems bleakest. This work is akin to Gibson's Passion of the Christ---which reminded the whole world of the Passion (!) when all seemed forgotten in the darkness of the Nihil--- and which is still circulating the earth on DVD even into forbidden places.

Note: This volume is critical to understanding the Revolutions of 1776 and 1789, the philosophy and motives behind so much decadent media today, why Christianity is being so intensely attacked today and how, and why a New Order of the world is being hatched and the dangers it presents for all peace-loving peoples.

--->Apropos of the above, The Encyclical on Hope Commented on by Two Non-believing Thinkers (from Sandro Magister).

But first a word.

The two thinkers referred to, professors Aldo Schiavone and Ernesto Galli della Loggia, whose reflections on Benedict's encyclical appeared on Page one of "L'Osservatore Romano," the newspaper of the Holy See, refer with a certain empathy to critical motifs in the theology of pope Ratzinger, specifically a proposed "self-critique of the modern age" into which there can also flow "a self-critique of modern Christianity.... [what] the encyclical itself calls the necessary "self-critique of modern Christianity..a new alliance between Christianity and secular modernity, on the basis of a parallel critical revision of their history... the reconciliation of religion and modernity."

But has not Christianity bizarrely "self-critiqued" itself almost to the point of cultural death? More of this is proposed again to what end? I fear it may be the catacombs.

Ernesto Galli della Loggia in turgid sentences says, "Benedict XVI, in fact, seems to be placing at the center of attention – note carefully: not political attention, but theological – of the Church not the "world" in general terms, but the West, the problem of the West. At the same time, he identifies with conviction the terms theoretically crucial for Christian reflection on modernity no longer ... in 'justice,' in 'peace,' and in individual and collective self-determination, but in 'reason' and 'science'".

SH: So many abstractions ... it is precisely what Catholics and non-believers mean by "reason," "justice," "science," and "peace" which remains in radical dispute. But what is truth if it does not issue in political action wherein it---and its followers, inclusive of all races--- can live in all fullness without undue interference or mixing of contrary "values"? Christianity is not merely to be situated in the realm of "ideas," or in a dreamy "reconciliation" between ideas which, it must be honestly acknowledged, are very often in radical opposition (unless the Vatican has woefully departed from all previous normative Catholic teaching). The reconciliation of opposing ideas---"a new alliance between Christianity and secular modernity"--- is not the highest value for Catholics, nor is it love. It is a lie.

There are social implications of the Gospel, and Catholics always understood this to mean ideally the reign of Christ the King for the faithful (Catholic nations) and its "continual restoration" which Pope St. Pius X called for, where idea and politics merge into concrete action. A Platonic Christianity in the realm of the "eternal ideas" is no Christianity at all, for the Word was made Flesh in real, true, space and time (not metaphorically or poetically) and Catholics need and deserve their own space to live out Christ's teachings without answering to alien leaders with oppositional philosophies who reject and sometimes persecute Christ's message.

Certainly this does not preclude living in peace with one's international neighbors---God forbid--- but it certainly does mean that Catholicism cannot be subordinated to alien principles, especially political ones. Reconciliation cannot mean surrender to these. Dialog must end in decisions, action, else it is endless, futile, a mere academic exercise. In honest dialog we should all be willing to lay our complete identities and operating presuppositions on the table and not pretend they do not exist. In other words, you have the right to know in dialog that you are talking with a Catholic whose presuppositions are open and plain; and we have the right to know whether we are talking with Muslims, Jews, a certain kind of Protestant, Freemasons, atheists, agnostics, secularists of some kind, men and women whose intention is to lord it over others, come what may, whether locally or internationally, etc., etc.

Now to the Magister's column and the full texts of the two scholars reflecting on the teaching of Benedict.
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Meditation On 'The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit' By E. Michael Jones

E. Michael Jones has written a 1200-page book "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History" that documents the subversive role played by organized Jewry throughout history.

The book is available at www.culturewars.com

According to Jones, this role is subversive in the profoundest sense, overturning the Will of God, "Logos," Christ's Gospel of Love, the inherent Design and Purpose of Creation, hijacking mankind and arresting its development according to Cabalistic and Talmudic dictates.

The true "Jewish revolutionary spirit" is "to overturn" God and replace Him with Lucifer who represents the self-interest of the Illuminati (i.e. central bankers, Organized Jewry and Freemasonry.) This also was confirmed by Christian Rakowsky in his KGB interrogation.

This also was confirmed by Christian Rakowsky in his KGB interrogation. "Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky, says. Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution.

Thus, Organized Jewry, through its Freemasonic arm, has always sabotaged personal identity and social cohesion: race, religion (God), nation and family. They have caused wars (like Iraq Afghanistan and soon Iran)

("Israel prodding US to Attack Iran" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2008/06/24/eveningnews/main4206201.shtml)

revolutions, division and corruption and sought to normalize dysfunction and deviance. All to prove that the salutary and natural order represented by Christian ideals is corrupt and hypocritical, and must be replaced by man made "gods," i.e. their "progressive," "liberal," "socialist" and ultimately "Communist" NWO test tube utopias. Their goal is a "1984"-like world police state which is emerging under the pretext of a phony "war on terror."

Thus, to the mortification of decent Jews like myself, Jews are often on the vanguard when it comes to trashing Christian mores and human dignity, and creating dysfunction whether its undermining gender and marriage or peddling promiscuity, pornography or abortion. For example, here is a recent music video of a 50-year-old French Jewish singer and his adolescent daughter normalizing incest.

http://judicial-inc.biz/86serge_gainsbourg_incest.htm

Too many Hollywood movies made by Jews are filthy, vulgar and degrading. There are hardly any movies anymore that are educational, honest and uplifting.

("Hit Movie Exposes Hollywood's Luciferian Game" http:// www.savethemales.ca/002038.html)

We are reminded of a soldier marching out-of-step in a parade who has the chutzpah, money and media to convince the other marchers that it is they who are out-of- step. Extrapolate this image to a cosmic level and you will understand the New World Order.

"PROGRESS"

Social programs offered in the name of "reform" were proffered to gull the masses and to assume control. This is the real meaning of "progress" i.e. movement toward Luciferian and occult control. This is what they mean by "changing the world." Obama's "Change" is a tip off.

Organized Jewry has sought to portray man as inhabiting a mechanistic universe devoid of inherent design and meaning. In this view, God is an impotent fool who neglects His creation, and Christianity is fogbound superstition. Where Communists have held power, they have banned Christianity outright and persecuted believers. Jews who accept Christ's teaching are persecuted in Israel today.

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.co...ic-jews-under- increasing-violent.html

God is a relatively easy concept to understand. He represents a moral and spiritual dimension where spiritual ideals like love, peace, beauty, harmony, truth, goodness and justice are absolute and self evident. All humans, Jew and non-Jew, are gifted with a Divine spirit that recognizes and aspires to these ideals. We are God's agents tasked with incorporating these ideals in our lives and in the world. (This requires that we change first by attuning ourselves to these ideals instead of worldly enticements.)

Organized Jewry has used our idealism to deceive us with Socialism, Communism and Zionism. But to warn Jews of this deceit now constitutes "anti-Semitism." Surely, Jewish leaders who start wars are the real anti-Semites. They create anti-Semitism to keep ordinary Jews in line.

"ANTI-SEMITISM"

Jones quotes Leon Trotsky: "Pogroms in which the rank-and-file of the Jewish nation suffer serve the useful purpose of keeping them in absolute dependence on their leaders." Jones: "This is another way of saying the Trotsky's promote revolution and the Braunsteins suffer for it."

The Talmud was created to keep Jews in bondage to Jewish leaders," Jones say. The supreme authority in Judaism, it creates anti-Semitism. Quoting the Jewish Encyclopedia Jones says the Talmud is "a systematic deformation of the Bible" in which "The pride of race with the idea of universal domination is therein exalted to the point of folly....With regard to the Goyim (non-Jews) everything is allowed: robbery, fraud, perjury, murder...."

The Talmud influences Jewish leadership but I doubt if 10% of ordinary Jews have read it. Indeed I wonder if a religion that holds the Talmud supreme can call itself a religion. True religion is otherworldly, eschewing power, wealth and sex. The Talmud seems to embrace these things. It's as though Christians chose the "after world," and Jews said "we'll take this one, thank you very much."

In the Talmudic perspective, anyone who resists Jewish hegemony is an anti-Semite; as is anyone who points this out. Like the boy who cried "wolf" too many times, the term "anti Semite" has lost its power. People are realizing that it is a Pavlovian control mechanism, and that very few "anti Semites" dislike all Jews. If it describes resistance to the out-sized Jewish role in the New World Order, "anti-Semite" could become a badge of honor worn with pride.

A healthy individual will listen to criticism courteously, acknowledge if it is valid, and mend his ways accordingly. This is the way a man makes friends of his enemies. This is how he corrects his course and grows. (See my "How to Reduce Anti-Semitism"http:// www.savethemales.ca/000199.html)

He does not accuse them of harboring an irrational hate. That's how a child or someone suffering from arrested development reacts. The only explanation for the conventional response is that Jewish leadership knows it is at fault, but that does not deter it. It will turn the world-upside-down so that fault becomes virtue, and victim becomes aggressor.

E. MICHAEL JONES

Jones, a traditional Catholic, is a former English professor who was run out of Notre Dame for opposing abortion. The Editor of the journal "Culture Wars" and author of ten other books, including "Libido Dominandi," the definitive history of the sexual revolution from 1773 to the present, Jones is the foremost scholar of our time and predicament. This is because he studies the masterful Masonic-Jewish takeover of Western civilization now almost complete.

"For the past 2000 years, history has been a struggle between the two groups of Jews: those who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah and those who rejected him." Jones writes. "The Jews who accept Christ become the new Israel, otherwise known as the Church. They are the two children of Abraham and Moses. Those who reject Christ become the "Jews" or followers of Satan."

Jones believes the "chosen people" idea has led Jewish leadership to espouse "humanism" and the idea that they collectively represent God. "Fantasies of racial superiority alternate with contradictory fantasies of universal brotherhood," Jones writes. "The great ideal of Judaism," the Jewish World announced Feb. 9, 1883 " is that the whole world shall be imbued with Jewish teaching and that in a Universal Brotherhood of Nations -a greater Judaism in fact--all the separate races and religions shall disappear."

If you think this sounds ominously like "diversity" you are right. For a complete history of the New World Order from its inception over 2000 years ago, I recommend "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit."

("The Truth About Diversity" http://www.savethemales.ca/001589.html)

FINAL WORD

I am a product of the "Jewish revolutionary" brainwashing myself, a Socialist, Zionist and Feminist for most of my life. I used to look askance at the satisfaction Christians got from normal life and feel that "normal" was boring. I remember reading Paul Krassner's "The Realist" where he depicted Snow White having sex with the Seven Dwarfs and thinking "yes! this exposes the hypocrisy of the US" then at war in Vietnam.

Now I realize that this left-right, imperialist /anti-imperialist media matrix is all a charade, that the people behind anti-war are the people behind the war. That war has bigger stakes: World Government (a.k.a." globalism") achieved by gradually degrading and demoralizing humanity.

My point is that I wasn't a bad person, just a dupe. This is also true of Jews and non-Jews who have been duped by Communism, Socialism, Liberalism, Feminism and Zionism. They're good people who have been mislead by NWO indoctrination. I expect that many Masons, CFRs, Bildersbergs and officials of Organized Jewry are also dupes.

The NWO works by sowing division. We can win by joining together --"Left and Right" to oppose the agenda of the satanic cult that runs the world, the Masonic central bankers and their minions.

http://www.rense.com/general82/revo.htm
 
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Long review by Robert Sungenis from May 2008 Culture Wars:

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I'd like to reinforce what our late forum leader AE says - this is an important book. This book is the perfect present. If you're Catholic, you should buy this book for intelligent high school students, or the parents who are homeschooling them. One job of parents is to teach children to defend themselves, and this book shows the nature of threat the jews pose to our race and our families, the macrocosm and the microcosm, as New America puts it.
 
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Jones interviewed re the book by Hesham Tillawi:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8103618563744151257
 
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Will be discussing on Radio Istina on Tuesday 7/29/08.

http://culturewars.com/Reviews/Revol...ryReviews.html
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"For the past 2000 years, history has been a struggle between the two groups of Jews: those who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah and those who rejected him." Jones writes. "The Jews who accept Christ become the new Israel, otherwise known as the Church. They are the two children of Abraham and Moses. Those who reject Christ become the "Jews" or followers of Satan."
Haven't read the book but just listened to the interview. Jones goes out of his way to specify that he rules out race as a factor, that the whole conflict began 2000 years ago when the Jews rejected Jesus. Entirely theological. No mention of ancient Egypt, to name just one that came before Jesus. He also apparently still believes in "the holocaust".

He sounds very high strung and excited for a man of his years and depth.
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Haven't read the book but just listened to the interview. Jones goes out of his way to specify that he rules out race as a factor, that the whole conflict began 2000 years ago when the Jews rejected Jesus. Entirely theological. No mention of ancient Egypt, to name just one that came before Jesus. He also apparently still believes in "the holocaust".
Yes, that's his opinion. He makes clear several times in the first three chapters that the christian problem with kikes is religious, not racial. A few drops of holy water and the shitzu turns into a German Shepherd.

I'm not sure how anyone who reads the story of shitty little jew Jacob tricking his brother out of his birthright can believe jews only became shitheads after jesus, but if you believe in nonexistent being and men coming back from the dead, as scholar Jones does, then I suppose it's easy to persuade yourself that holy water converts jews into humans.

Seems to be a theme in Catholicism: with words and water we make the world anew. W00t! W00t!

Jones might not be interested in biology, but biology is interested in him, happy little spiritual reductionist / religious determinist though he be.
 
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From previous writings, Jones is 2/3 with us: he names the Jew, he denounces the false opposition (like AmRen), but he doesn't identify himself as white. He identifies as a traditionalist Catholic, and with urban "ethnic" Catholics, but he seems to dislike Protestants as much as Jews. Today, that coincides with the Jews' own seething resentment of the WASP (as in the film The Good Shepherd).

While the JQ is not only about religion, religion is a huge part. Even to this day, the Jew hates the Christian who coddles far more than the Muslim who resists. See Shahak. Kevin MacDonald also finds that it is the Ashkenazi Jews, the ones from Western Christian nations, who have the trait of aggression, which they turn against the majority culture. The Sephardic Jews from Muslim lands generally go about their business, crooked though it may be, but don't destroy the rest of society. So Ahmadinejad isn't just playing politics: Iran has no problem with Iranian Jews, their problem is with Zionists in the West. But my question is, why has Islam done a better job of managing its Jews than Christianity has?

Anyway, I'm buying Jones' book.
 
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Jones is just intellectual masterbation for the jew wise here at VNN. Nothing in the reviews I've read sounds any different from anything I have not already heard here at VNN. I find it extrememly boring when writers like him waste time going through all the repetative arguements and explanations of how not "all" jews are bad etc. ALL jews are in on their conspiracy in some way. They all benifit from ZOG power. They all support it in some way.

I also do not like how he will list every form of immoral kind of sex, and degeneracy except interracial sex. The jews have used interracial sex (primarily between black males and white females) as one of the top sexual weapons against the church, against Euro civilization and cultures, yet Jones NEVER mentions this? This has caused more or at least the same amount of damage that the homosexual movement has.
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I also do not like how he will list every form of immoral kind of sex, and degeneracy except interracial sex. The jews have used interracial sex (primarily between black males and white females) as one of the top sexual weapons against the church, against Euro civilization and cultures, yet Jones NEVER mentions this? This has caused more or at least the same amount of damage that the homosexual movement has.
That's a good point.

Jones's main concern seems to be to ensure people understand that the church's objection to jews is religious rather than racial. Over and over and over he says this. Nowhere in his work have I seen him question the concept of racism, which was invented by precisely the kind of revolutionary jews he writes against. Namely, Trotsky and Hirschfeld.
 
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[interview with Jones, appearing in his own magazine, Culture Wars]

An Interview with Dr. E. Michael Jones on The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit

by Martin Vianney



It was once said of Michael Jones that he was too radical to be a conservative and too conservative to be a radical. There is one word that always describes the man and his writing. Controversial. Jones, however, would say that a different word describes his writing. Catholic. And he would doubtless add that if one writes in the modern age as a Catholic one is necessarily controversial.

However, even by these standards Michael Jones’ latest book, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on World History, is his most controversial and ambitious book to date. At 1,200 pages this tour of history which shines a theological light on conflicts between Catholics, Protestants, Jews and revolutionaries though the ages is intended to provide a key to understanding the present age.

I discussed the book with Dr Jones and tried to find out the thesis of the book and explore some of the difficult theological and political issues it brings up.



1. What made you decide to write this book?



Reading Daniel Goldhagen’s attack on Pius XII. Suddenly, I realized that all of the talk about a new era of Catholic/Jewish relations following Vatican II was a decidedly one-way street. Virtually every celebration of Nostra Aetate’s various anniversaries was characterized by Catholics apologizing for everything from St. John’s Gospel to the Holocaust and Jews renewing their attacks on the Church as the font of all anti-Semitism with renewed chutzpah.



2. Were you surprised by the size of the undertaking?



The surprise came when I realized that the book was 1,200 pages long, in spite of a rather rigorous paring down during the editing process.



3. What do you mean by Jewish?



A Jew is now a rejecter of Christ and thereby to some extent a rejecter of Logos, which is the Greek word for the rational order of the universe. Insofar as they rejected Christ, the Jews rejected Logos, and in rejecting Logos, they rejected the order of the universe, including its moral or political order. As a result, they became revolutionaries, a decision they solemnly ratified when they chose Barabbas over Christ.



4. But even your book allows that there is some racial element. After all, many rejecters of Christ/Logos are not Jews. And the Jews are seen in the New Testament as a distinct people who will perdure until the End Times when there is a prophecy of conversion. So surely a Jew is not a rejecter of Christ/Logos simpliciter?



A Jew is an ethnic Jew who has rejected Christ. An ethnic Jew who has accepted Christ is not a Jew. Ethnicity is the necessary but not sufficient condition for being a Jew. The sufficient condition is rejection of Christ. This was ratified by the Israeli Supreme Court when they denied Oswald Rufeisen citizenship because he had been baptized a Catholic. From a more religious perspective I note in the book the words of Jewish scholar Jacob Neusner: “While not all Jews practice Judaism [it is] the iron-clad consensus among contemporary Jews, Jews who practice Christianity cease to be part of the ethnic Jewish community, while those who practice Buddhism remain within.”



5. What relation, then, does Judaism have with the religion of the Old Testament? What place do the Temple, the Torah and the Talmud have in Judaism?



Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament. Catholicism is the religion of the Old Testament. Anything that claims to be the religion of the Old Testament must have a Temple, a priesthood, and sacrifice. After the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, Judaism had none of these things, but the Church had all of them. The Temple was Christ, who explicitly stated that he was its replacement. The Church also had the priesthood, which celebrated the new sacrifice, which was the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass.



Judaism as we know it is a religion that was created by Jochanan ben Zacchai after the destruction of the Temple. It was, as Jews have to admit, not the Old Testament religion, because the Jews at that point had no Temple to perform the sacrifices which were needed to fulfil their covenant. As a result, the Jewish religion became a debating society or school, which met at synagogues. The codification of those debates became known as the Talmud, which got written down between the third and seventh centuries AD. The Talmud is a systematic distortion of the Torah—“Whatever the Torah forbids, the Talmud permits”—whose purpose is to keep the Jewish people away from Logos and in bondage to Jewish leaders.



6. What do you mean by Revolutionary?



Any attempt to overthrow the state or the cultural order of a particular people and replace it with one or other version of Messianic politics which promises us all heaven on earth but ends up delivering something quite different.



7. But surely there are cultural orders that are largely at odds with Logos. Should not these be overthrown? Moreover, are people like Caiaphas and Annas revolutionaries? Many would regard them rather as reactionaries, fearful of the people’s reception of what they took to be a worldly Messiah.



In Spe Salvi, Pope Benedict XVI reminds Catholics that the way of revolution, the way of Spartacus and Simon bar Kokhba, is not the Catholic way. He says this knowing, I'm sure, that Aquinas justifies the overthrow of unjust regimes in some instances. We don't know if Annas and Caiaphas would have joined in the revolution against Rome over 30 years after Christ's death. I think it is reasonable to think that they would.



8. What do you mean by Spirit?



What the Germans call Geist, which is to say what Aristotle and Plato would call “form,” as in “the soul is the form of the body.”



9. Christians today appear to be most at risk of persecution in Islamic countries and places like China. Aren't these places where the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit never took hold?



I disagree. No one has been persecuted more ruthlessly than the Catholics of the United States. We simply lack the vocabulary to describe that persecution. That’s why I have written, in addition to The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit: and its Impact on World History, Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control, and The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing.



10. But in terms of killing and degradation you still need to account for the enormities which continue to be committed in these countries. One is not banned on pain of death from hearing Mass in the US so we cannot dismiss the persecution in other parts of the world, parts not obviously infected with the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. Bloody persecution has often been more effective in wiping out Christians than ethnic cleansing of a non-lethal kind. Where do states like China and Saudi Arabia fit with regard to the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit?



The Gospel tells us not to fear those who can kill the body. I think the point is that there are worse things in this life than physical persecution. Moral corruption is one of them because it kills the soul. And if one thing characterizes the Catholics of the babyboomer generation it is moral corruption, for which they bear responsibility, but we're talking, nonetheless, about a moral corruption which was foisted on them by their parents' generation, through the media, through the corruption of Catholic education, and all of the insidious means I described in Libido Dominandi.
The last time I looked China was a communist country. Communism is one of the prime examples of the Jewish revolutionary spirit. Saudi Arabia is run by the Wahhabi sect of Islam. I do not deal with the relationship of Islam to Judaism in the book, but in it you'll find a milder form of the rejection of the cross and suffering in favor of a more carnal vision of worldly power and wealth.



11. What do you say to people who view the Islamic world as a greater threat to the world than this Jewish Spirit?



It depends which “people” you mean. I can understand why Serbs, given their history, would view Islam as a greater threat than the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, although they certainly suffered under the imposition of Communism. However, when I hear an American talk about the dangers of “Islamofascism,” I think it’s an infallible sign that I am in the presence of either a propagandist, an intellectual coward or a useful idiot.



12. What do you take the term anti-Semitism to mean?



Anti-Semitism is a form of biological determinism or racism which claims that Jews are prisoners of their DNA. This would manifest itself in the Church, for instance, if someone were to say that a Jewish convert could not be trusted. This ugly attitude has always been repudiated by the Church, which has always maintained that Jewish converts are to be accepted “without calumny.” It came out very clearly in Erasmus’s attack on Pfefferkorn, which I cover in my book. Anti-Semitism is the flip side of Jewish racism, which claims that Jews are superior because of their DNA. This idea is put forth by the Jews who question Jesus in the Gospel of St. John. They claim that they are somehow racially superior to everyone else because they are the “seed of Abraham.” A recent manifestation of this racial outlook was the Charles Murray symposium on Jewish intelligence held at the American Enterprise Institute.



13. But aren’t there forms of anti-Semitism that are not explicitly racial? For example, if someone shows a great propensity to believe the worst of Jews in spite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary, is he not an bigoted anti-Semite (just as someone might be an anti-Catholic who believes all priests are child abusers in spite of the evidence), even if he has no beliefs about inferior DNA?



No, anti-Semitism is a racial concept. Being anti-Jewish is something else. It can be rational, as, for example, in the Gospels and Acts of the Apostles, where it is a manifestation of the rejection of the rejection of Christ that is obligatory for all Christians, or it can be irrational, but it's fundamentally different from anti-Semitism, which is racial.



14. In your book you refer to your friend the late Rabbi Dresner, a highly moral Jew (and author of Can Families Survive Pagan America and Rachel). Does he not represent a type of Judaism that takes the Torah seriously and is thoroughly Jewish yet not infected with a Revolutionary Spirit?



Yes, I wish Rabbi Dresner were alive today. He was a man who was open to the truth and, incidentally, an admirer of my writing, who would urge the Catholics he knew to support me by subscribing to Culture Wars. On the other hand, he would also write to me and chastise me for talking about Jewish villains. He came to the defense of Leo Pfeffer, who in my opinion was a Jewish villain if ever there was one. So he was torn, as I said in the article I did on him after his death, between Torah and Ethnos. I have no doubt that he was a sincere follower of Torah. But he was also troubled by the fact that virtually every prominent Jew in America—he was particularly annoyed by the cult of Woody Allen—was a proponent of some sort of revolutionary subversion of the moral law. As I said, I wish he were alive today. I would like to know what he would have thought of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.



15. You refer to neoconservatism as a Jewish movement, yet the majority of Jews in the US are opposed to it, just as they were to the Iraq war.



We’re talking about successive revolutionary movements here. Most Jews still retain an ancestral allegiance to the Messianic ideologies known as Marxism, socialism, communism—in general—the ideologies of the left that were regnant among American Jews during the middle of the 20th century. Zionism didn’t really catch on among American Jews until the collapse of the Black-Jewish alliance and the 1967 Six-Day Arab Israeli war.



16. Yet you certainly see Neoconservatism as a Jewish Revolutionary movement. Why do you think this and could you tell us what you think Neoconservatism is?



First of all, Irving Kristol, the founding father of neoconservatism, was a Trotskyite during his college years. If you look at the tenets of neoconservatism--perpetual war, the uprooting of social structures, hierarchies, classes - you see that all the major elements of Trotsky's version of messianic politics have been maintained, mutatis mutandis, with the United States instead of the Soviet Union now being the land that is going to liberate the world.



17. You seem to see Protestantism as an inherently Judaizing religion. Can you explain why?



Because when the Catholics who wanted to break with the Church needed an alternative authority that was as authoritative as the Church they invariably turned to the Old Testament. John Milton’s treatise on divorce, in which he appeals to Moses as a greater authority on the issue than Christ, who clearly forbade what Milton wanted to have approved, is a classic instance of what I’m talking about. Judaizing also flowed naturally from the Protestant notion of sola scriptura. If the Bible is our only guide, it’s quite natural that the Old Testament will predominate in any question, because there are more books in the Old Testament, and, from a carnal point of view, they are also a lot more interesting. The Old Testament detached from the New Covenant and the Church becomes a gross distortion of what it is meant to be.



18. Aren't some of the great critics of Judaism Protestants - e.g. Martin Luther and Johannes Andreas Eisenmenger. Why should this be?



I can’t speak for Eisenmenger, but I do know that Luther was extremely pro-Jewish at the beginning of his career, operating under the principle that the enemy of his enemy (in this case, Rome) must be his friend. Luther also felt that once the Jews were exposed to the gospel in its purity (i.e., as preached by Martin Luther), the Jews would convert in droves. When this didn’t happen, Luther (who was nothing if not choleric) turned on the Jews and wrote the violent diatribe against them in the 1540s for which the Lutherans have been apologizing ever since.



19. What is the relation between Freemasonry and the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit?



Freemasonry is another word for what Frances Yates would call “Christian Cabala.” It was the “scientific” reaction to the excesses of the Judaizing Englishmen known as Puritans. But the “science” in question derived, via people like Fludd, Bacon, and John Dee, from the Cabala, which was Jewish magic.



20. Arguably the most important European revolution was the French Revolution (not to mention the English Reformation). Yet in the French Revolution there is no evidence of extensive Jewish involvement. Doesn't this present a problem for your thesis?



The French Revolution was a black operation which, as they invariably do, got out of control. The Whigs who came to power in England after the Glorious Revolution of 1688 used the Masonic lodges on the continent to spread Enlightenment propaganda among the Catholic French in order to bring down the House of Bourbon. Voltaire was, as Alexander Pope suspected, a Whig operative and spy. The goal was to bring about the French version of the Glorious Revolution, but when that black operation took on a life of its own and careened out of control, the English were appalled by what they had wrought and declared war on France.



So the French revolution derived from Freemasonry, which was, as I stated above, a form of Cabala. This, of course, rightly leaves the whole question of direct Jewish involvement in the French Revolution out of the picture. But as Daniel Pipes has pointed out, the evidence is there, even if not as he would portray it. When Barruel got the evidence, in the letter from Simonini, he simply suppressed the evidence, even though he received a letter from both the pope and Napoleon’s uncle supporting Simonini’s allegations.



21. You have much to say about Russia but say very little about Stalin's anti-Semitism. Why, according to you, were the Jews persecuted by Stalin's revolutionary movement?



Because every successful revolution leads to a civil war. The Stalin-Trotsky split was inevitable because the victors always quarrel after they win, and the Jew/Goy split in Communism was the ethnic fault-line that no one could ignore.



22. Explain what you mean when you say the Jews rejected Christ/killed Christ. Are you saying that all the Jews in Jerusalem rejected Christ or only some? Are Jews today guilty of deicide? If so, how does this fit in with the idea that all sinners share responsibility for Christ's suffering?



No, obviously not. Many Jews accepted Christ as the Messiah. The situation becomes confusing because of how St. John, for one example, handles the term “Jew.” By the end of his Gospel, it’s clear that Jew no longer has a purely ethnic meaning. A Jew is primarily someone who rejects Christ. The ethnic Jews who did not reject Christ became known as the Church or the New Israel, at which point blood, DNA were not the point. Nostra Aetate says that “not all Jews at the time of Christ” were guilty of calling for his death. Logically, this, of course, means that some Jews at the time of his death were guilty of deicide. Using the definition of the Jew which St. John formulated, we could say that only Jews were responsible for his death. Those Jews also ratified that death when they said “Let his blood be on us and our children.” We are not talking about some occult “blood curse,” as some modern day Jews like to portray it. We are talking about a profound and premeditated form of rejection—murder being the ultimate form of rejection—that has perdured to this day. As long as Jews perdure in rejection they will be in the avant garde (as Marx would call it) of revolutionary ferment. Every Christian who sins participates in the rejection of Christ, but they will never constitute an avant garde like Jews because they cannot pervert their status as God’s chosen people because they never enjoyed that status.



23. But wouldn't what you have said make Pilate a Jew? And might there not have been a mass of Jews in Jerusalem who were merely indifferent to Christ?



Pilate, as a matter of fact, did feel that he was being drawn into a Jewish struggle. That's why he said at one point, "Am I a Jew?" If Pilate felt that way, then the Jews felt the same thing to a much greater degree, to the point where I would say that, at a certain level, no one in Jerusalem at that time was indifferent to Christ. The entire adult Jewish population was either for him or against him. In a sense, all of us have to become one kind of Jew or another, either the kind of Jew who accepted Christ or the kind who rejected him. The United States today is a Jewish country, which is to say a country where the culture is controlled by those Jews who rejected Christ. Any follower of those Jews who accepted Christ is going to be persecuted. As Yuri Slezkine said in his book The Jewish Century, modernity has turned us all into Jews.



24. Is Nostra Aetate a document that preaches error with regard to the Jews?



No.



25. What are your thoughts on the papacy of Pope Benedict XVI, and especially on his handling of Catholic-Jewish relations?



The pope has shown a lack of even-handedness in dealing with Muslims and Jews, symbolized best by his trip to Cologne. The pope went to the synagogue in Cologne, where he was insulted by the rabbi there, but the Muslims had to come to meet with him at the chancery office. The pope wags his finger at the Muslims, but he never chastises the Jews in his meetings with them. I think the Muslims are offended by this double standard. Islamic terrorism did not spring full-blown from the mind of Zeus. Much of it is a function of Israeli behavior in Palestine and American support of those policies. To mention the former without mentioning the latter is a manifestation of the double standard they’re talking about. The classical Catholic position was articulated in the title of Raimondo Martini’s book: Pugio Fidei adversos Mauros et Iudeos, or The Dagger of Faith aimed at Moors and Jews.



26. But did not this same pope bring back and amend the Good Friday prayer calling for the conversion of the Jews, thereby showing he was not to be intimidated in these matters?



As to the pope, I think he realized that the Church stood at the brink of the abyss when he ascended to the throne of Peter. If he had not written that prayer, he would have denied the Gospels, and no pope will ever do that. But this doesn’t change the fact that he is not even-handed in dealing with Jews and Muslims.



27. Some people find your language harsh and yet uncritical of Catholic behaviour in the past. Does it worry you that some Jewish readers may be put off by this and become less likely to embrace the Church?



This reminds me of a discussion I had about another book I wrote. The title I chose was “Nigger Hell.” When the publisher felt that that title was offensive, I offered to change it to “Nigger Heck.” The real issue though is that the title was a direct quote taken from Claude McKay’s book Home to Harlem. This is the language that was used at the time, and I felt it was better to use that than capitulate to the sensibilities of the school marms and the commissars.



The same is true of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. The shocking part is not so much what I say but what I report other people saying. I have been called an anti-Semite (in Prague, to be specific) for quoting Christ’s statement to the Jews, “Your father is Satan.’” I have been called an anti-Semite for using the phrase “the synagogue of Satan,” as if I had made up the term, when I was citing the Book of Revelation. Similarly, I get blamed when a term like “the vomit of Judaism” appears in my book, when the phrase comes from St. Bernard of Clairvaux. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Nothing I have said is as pointed or as “anti-Semitic” as what the evangelists, church fathers, and even Jesus Christ has said before me. The Jews of Jesus’ time found language like this off-putting, so I’m not surprised that some Jews would feel the same way today. On the other hand, there are always going to be the “true Hebrews” like Nathaniel, a man without guile, who will respond to the truth when they hear it.



28. And what do you say to the criticism that you have a tendency to minimize or underestimate the bad behavior of those claiming to be Catholic, seeing their behavior, at worst, as reactive to Jewish faults? Surely there is much wrong on both sides, with Catholics having less excuse?



Anyone who reads my book will know that this isn’t true. There’s plenty of blame to go around here.



29. What have been the consequences to you in undertaking this controversial work? Knowing what you now know, would you do it all again?



Would Zebedee’s sons have drunk from the cup if they had known what drinking from it entailed? Probably not. That’s why Jesus doesn’t let us peek into a crystal ball before he asks us to do something.



30. What has been your experience of Jewish people throughout your life? Did you ever discuss the ideas in your book with them?



From 1966 until 1979 (with the exception of the three years that I spent in Germany), I spent most of my time hanging around with Jews, primarily in the art world (working for Sam Maitin, the Philadelphia artist, and at the Prints for People art gallery, which involved me in hanging shows at the Frank Lloyd Wright-designed synagogue on Old York Road) but in the literary world in Philadelphia as well (through Robert Summers, the playwright, who was my creative writing teacher, poetry readings at the Painted Bride, and graduate school in English and American Literature at Temple University, where Stanley Fish, the “Reader-Response” literary theorist, was one of my teachers). I was also a camp counselor at a summer camp for handicapped children sponsored by the Variety Club, which was a Jewish organization. I have lost contact with just about everyone from that era, but I did discuss the idea of the book with my friend Paul Goldstein in its formative stages.CW

E. Michael Jones is editor of Culture Wars and author of 11 books including The Angel and the Machine; Degenerate Moderns; Horror: A Biography; The Slaughter of Cities and Libido Dominandi.

This interview appears in the September 2008 issue of Culture Wars.

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Kevin MacDonald also finds that it is the Ashkenazi Jews, the ones from Western Christian nations, who have the trait of aggression, which they turn against the majority culture. The Sephardic Jews from Muslim lands generally go about their business, crooked though it may be, but don't destroy the rest of society. So Ahmadinejad isn't just playing politics: Iran has no problem with Iranian Jews, their problem is with Zionists in the West. But my question is, why has Islam done a better job of managing its Jews than Christianity has?
Much as I appreciate MacDonald's work, I think this might just be another attempt to leave himself an out - that his problem isn't with Jews but with those who aren't really Jews any more. Much the same line, minus the "prophesy", that the fundies use. I think it's more of a Jewish Bell Curve thing. Those who are the best at being Jews, the most dangerous to non-Jews, migrated to Europe and have behaved most Jewily. The difference between the two alleged types is exaggerated, in my opinion, which is why I like to bring up ancient Egypt. I'm sure that the Jews of that day hated whatever religion the Egyptians followed but probably not as much as they relished doing what Jews do.
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Thank you for discussing this book.

I think the book is invaluable for introducing the Jewish problem to white folks who are basically Christian conservatives. That covers quite a few white people out there doesnt it. It covers the amazing scope of Jewish subversion like no other work I have seen.

The matter of the conversion of Jews is as inconsequential as the number of Jews who convert. What is it now ten or fifteen a year, probably of phenotypically indistinguishable Jews. You have got to deal with the fact that many Jews are phenotypically indistinguishable from whites when you want to say the Jewish problem is strictly biological. It isnt.

I think that when Mike Jones treats the problem as if it is solely a religious matter when it is in fact partly a matter of biological tribal ancestry, unquestionably sue due to the fact of Jewish endogamy, well, I think Mike is looking aside from that because he wants to differentiate his criticism from something like Prof MacDonald's work with whom he is pretty well aquainted. Also I think Mike has a lot of Christian charity in his heart and um well he cuts the Jewish group no slack but he is very interested in cutting the Jew who wants to quit the Jew tribe by converting some slack. Interestingly he does cover the Marrano fake convert problem in the book, but I havent made it that far.

Anyhow I think that when people say that the Jewish problem is strictly biological, they are making a similar kind of mistake, ignoring the fact that Jewish tribal belonging has indeed been defined by a few important factors one of which is Non-Conversion to Christianity. As Mike said in that interview, a Jew who is atheist or Buddhist is still a Jew, but a Jew who converts to Christianity is OUT-- this is the Jewish standard of exclusion. And so you have to factor this social ingroup outgroup criterion into your broad view of the jewish problem and NOT oversimplify. I mean this injunction to NOT oversimplify the problem as a bit of advice both to people like Mike Jones who may be wanting to see the problem as only religious to the exclusion of the biological factor of tribal-ancestry; and also as advice to people who want to see the Jewish problem as only biological as if their religious dogma were meaningless. Indeed their religious ideas are very very critical to understanding them and how we differ from them.

In short they idolize their own tribe. The Jew believes that Jewry IS God. The Aryan believes that our people exist in our own place in an ordered cosmos but we are not the navel of the universe. THis permeates both pre Christian Aryan myth and also Catholicism and typical Protestant thinking. By contrast the Jew self worship is the key metaphysical belief, tribal self worship, that makes Jewry so powerful an enemy and powerful Jew for Jew. Its why Aryans want ecology and nuclear disarmament and the Jews cant lay their hands on nukes fast enough. Our people have a hard time imagining burning the planet up for nation but to the Jews its their "Sampson Option." They just dont give a damn about anything living besides themselves, if they take their own Jewish BS seriously.

Now some Jews get a conscience and start to depart from this. You see it in some of the writings of the old Jew Commies who wrote about the Jewish problem and recognized how batshit looney their religion was. Thing is as Jones book shows they just translated their looney Jew stuff into a different form, as Jones loves to say " mutatis mutandis" or whatever.

Today you see a few Jews depart from the crazy Jew stuff. Like your Norman Finkelstein or whatever. They're a numerically insignificant minority of less than one tenth of one percent of the Jew population, if I had to guess. Individually you could give them a pass, but never the group. Focus on the group not the individual, thats what we got to do.

When it comes to religious ideas however, some people think we should just imitate Jews and worship our own race as God. That is essentially what Klassen believed. I think that idea is fundamentally un-Aryan. We are always going to see ourselves as part of the ordered Cosmos and not the center of it whether we are scientific Aristotelians Christian or Atheist, or whether we are Platonist Christian or otherwise. Our people just cant think like the Jew nor should we want to. I utterly loathe the Jew and their sickening tribal idolatry. It sickens me like the smell of gefilte fish.

By the way, Alex, you make a good point about Jacob and the story of him stealing his brother's birthright. Yes a very sorry cheat of a brother he was if ever he existed. In any case I think a sane Catholic has to look at these screwy Jewish fairly tales in a certain skeptical light. But enough for now.

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